Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35992445)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992436)

Let's try racism then.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...vist-1-6015344



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That party does not honour democracy. It intends to put forward 5th columnist MEP candidates in the upcoming EU elections.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992431)

And what do you base this on?

The people putting the presentation together were experts in International Trade and Technology, and if anything, were optimistic in their outlook.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992432)

Hopefully, something more substantial than it's not beyond the wit of man.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992409)

I do agree we should have had a leaver PM who should have taken responsibility to leave. But none stepped up.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35992450)

The pace of technology.

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If there was a driver, that required an expedient solution be found and there was a willingness from all parties to find such a solution, then a solution would be found...quickly.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35992450)

If there was a driver, that required an expedient solution be found and there was a willingness from all parties to find such a solution, then a solution would be found...quickly.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992456)

And there was me basing it on 39 years experience in Technology, working on many major technology implementations, and running large Technology departments supporting multi-billion pound businesses...

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992464)

Hugh, have you considered using Quantum Computing on the cloud powered by an AI blockchain at all?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992446)

Remainism = expecting people who are elected as Representatives to represent all their constituents, and positively contribute to the running of an organisation, rather than be disruptive and a non-attendee.

I can live with that...

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992456)

And there was me basing it on 39 years experience in Technology, working on many major technology implementations, and running large Technology departments supporting multi-billion pound businesses...

The challenge is that no one has done anything like this on this scale and of this complexity before, using untested technologies - this is a recipe for budget and time over-runs.

Just creating the work-flows for all the different scenarios would take a year or two, then understanding the interfaces required between all the technology systems involved (some of which won’t exist yet), then you have to translate that into what is technologically possible, which will then be subject to scope change/creep by changes in the real world and political imperatives - this is what happened to the NHS IT Programme; people with no idea of how things actually work (on the ground doing the actual work or the implementors of technology) make sweeping statements like "well, it can’t be that difficult" without any basis in fact or knowledge.

Technology isn’t magic - you need high level requirements, which then become detailed requirements, which you have to find a solution for (both technology and business based - technology supports and delivers business requirements and solutions, it is not a solution on its own), and you then have to develop, integrate, test, re-work, re-test (repeat cycle until complete) and then implement (which is a major piece of work on its own).

As the Home Office slide so aptly put it

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992464)

They found a solution: a customs union and/or backstop.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35992482)

Because it most likely doesn’t exist yet. Or does exist and hasn’t been tried and tested, or does exist disparately and needs bringing together.

Because there hasn’t been a requirement for such a system and no one has really needed one so one hasn’t been developed yet, doesn’t mean one couldn't be quickly, and whilst it’s being developed, interim processes put in place.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35992482)

Yadda Yadda,

The point I’m making is that no one is going to put up a hard border, UK won’t do it, RoI won’t do it, EU won’t do it. So in the event of a no deal Brexit, regardless of how technologically difficult, a solution would be found - it would have to be. Necessity is the mother of invention and if all the three parties are working to the same goal a solution would be found. Just because it hasn’t been done before doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

Have you always worked in technology all your life and approached your projects with the attitude of it’s too much like hard work?

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No point going over that ground again.



Because it most likely doesn’t exist yet. Or does exist and hasn’t been tried and tested, or does exist disparately and needs bringing together.

Because there hasn’t been a requirement for such a system and no one has really needed one so one hasn’t been developed yet, doesn’t mean one couldn't be quickly, and whilst it’s being developed, interim processes put in place.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35992494)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1724

My succinct contribution in the above link reasonably sums up the degree of challenge in producing a durable customs system that requires no border checks.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992490)

Majority of public think we shouldn't have held the EU referendum.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...idea-says-poll

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35992493)

Your response to Hugh is dismissive,insulting and demonstrates a basic lack of understanding

His response is absolutely correct and I concur as someone with approx 25 yeas experience of designing and implementing large scale IT infrastructure

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992492)

I think the solution will be political. If it isn't the backstop then it'll be a blind eye turned to tariffs or customs checks.

In the end it's not every clear what the basis of a technological solution will be. We're talking about a way of electronically knowing what good are on a truck. At the moment our technology struggles to detect with precision if people are hiding inside a truck without stopping it so I have no idea how we could scan every item in a truck for regulatory compliance.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992498)

At least you have a grasp on reality...

"Yadda yadda yadda" is what lead to the NHS IT fiasco.



No, we approached it with an attitude "what is it we are trying to and how do we make it work’.

I have delivered all my programmes except two -

The first one was an example of your "yadda yadda yadda’ approach - the Board told the City that the new Banking systems would be live for a certain date, even though the Suppliers and IT had shown, no matter what we did, it would be six months after that (with sufficiently complex systems, you can’t just throw resources at it - there are developmental stage gates that you have to go through in certain sequences) - we delivered on time, but the systems crashed almost immediately because there hadn’t been time to undertake full integration and end-user testing; this meant the company couldn’t do business for three weeks (which is a bit of a bugger if you are a £3 billion a year turnover Financial Services Company). We managed to get something up and running after three weeks, but it took nearly a year before things were running smoothly (it mean working long hours and most weekends for nearly a year for most of the Programme and IT teams; not something I would recommend for efficiency and accuracy.) btw, that company no longer exists...

The second programme was one I took over, and it had been running for 5 years and still hadn’t delivered - I reviewed it, and found it had started with no agreed requirements, no business ownership, and senior management who said "just do it" but couldn’t agree what "lt" was beyond a very high level concept (sound familiar?). I recommended that we kill it, as there were still no agreed requirements (the poor developers were visited each week and given requirements, with no change control, which often contradicted the previous ones). Because this was a "political" "just do it" Programme (someone very high in the organisation had had an "brilliant idea", and got his lackies to get it started (and then lost interest), so I couldn’t just cancel it. I proposed a remedial plan, which stopped all the changes, and proposed an independent review at the year end, by an outside consultancy with expertise in that area). At the year end, they found it was not recoverable, and proposed shutting it down.

However, I have successfully implemented many major complex systems, including what was the largest Data Warehouse programme in Europe at the time (which took 4 years), a major SAP implementation (which took 3 years), and the complete refurbishment of a Head Office and 450 Branch Offices IT Infrastructure, including Business Continuity. I have run large technology programmes and departments (500+ staff and £100+ million budgets), and been an IT Director and a member of the Google Europe CIO Group - what’s your Technology delivery background?

These things aren’t easy, these things aren’t simple, and anyone who thinks they are is suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35992499)

Can I ask how we know what's inside the thousands of containers that arrive weekly on ships?

Obviously there is a cargo manifest type document, but are they all opened/scanned/whatever to ensure the contents are what the paperwork says?

If we're going to inspect every vehicle entering/leaving Northern & Southern Ireland, let's start doing the same with everything else eh :D

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35992500)

But that is as a result of the bullying, nasty, obnoxious, and obstructive tactics of the Remain side, and not because they didn't want to leave the EU. Should bullying be rewarded?

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35992506)

Everything that has come from NI, has either come from outside the EU, and as therefore gone through the same processes as it does now, or has come from the UK.

The only problem products are ones where the UK rules differ from the EU. That won't happen for a while, and any differences are not likely to be that big. Current EU rules aren't always adhered to by EU countries, so ultimately there is no real difference to what goes on at the moment. Largely a big fuss over nothing.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992512)

Bullying should not be rewarded and I was pleased to see that the police have stepped up their efforts to protect MPs from it.
You'll have to explain how the public is being bullied as I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't believe they are.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992514)

You'll have to explain how mp's are being bullied and by whom.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35992501)

I too have 25 years experience working in the technology sector for a communications company and have built and delivered networks from the days of dial up internet to 1G FTTH, and worked on hundreds of projects to deliver products over these networks.

So I know the pace of which technology and innovative products are designed built and delivered, and i don’t recall anyone in a meeting saying it’s too difficult so we shouldn’t do it, or can’t do it. It was always we can’t do it that way, but we could do it this way.

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It would be a combination of both, enhanced technological solution, combined with a different regime of what is checked where, when and how.

My entire point in these last several posts has only been that if required a solution would and could be found.

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Sounds like you’re the man for the job then.

And from what you and others are quoting, 3 years / 4 years seems reasonable, not 10 years.

In my sector if we worked on 10 year cycles for rolling out new technology products we’d be out of business.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35992501)

In my sector if we worked on 10 year cycles for rolling out new technology products we’d be out of business.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992516)

As always, very happy to help you. Speaker John Bercow has described the abuse and harassment of MPs outside Parliament as "a type of fascism" and called for a change of policing policy. So by some members of the public.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992498)

At least you have a grasp on reality...

"Yadda yadda yadda" is what lead to the NHS IT fiasco.


<SNIP>

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992512)

Bullying should not be rewarded and I was pleased to see that the police have stepped up their efforts to protect MPs from it.
You'll have to explain how the public is being bullied as I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't believe they are.

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It's up to EU countries to inspect imports, they can't outsource it to a third country which is what the UK would become.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35992523)

BREAKING: The Brexit Party surges in to first place for European Elections less than one month after launching.

European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 28% (+5)
LAB: 22% (-)
CON: 13% (-4)
CHUK: 10% (+2)
GRN: 10% (-)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP 5% (-1)

via
@YouGov
, 23 - 26 Apr

UK has not changed it's mind on leaving the corrupted EU.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992512)

It's up to EU countries to inspect imports, they can't outsource it to a third country which is what the UK would become.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35992523)

BREAKING: The Brexit Party surges in to first place for European Elections less than one month after launching.

European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 28% (+5)
LAB: 22% (-)
CON: 13% (-4)
CHUK: 10% (+2)
GRN: 10% (-)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP 5% (-1)

via
@YouGov
, 23 - 26 Apr

UK has not changed it's mind on leaving the corrupted EU.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992519)

So a"fascist" called an Mp a Nazi and that's the definition of fascism ? or is that not the example you had in mind?

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35992529)

Does this mean that if (when) we leave the EU, the problem lands firmly in the lap of someone else? :D

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35992528)

You're confusing me Mick, I thought you said opinion polls didn't matter and the only poll that mattered was the referendum in 2016? So why are you posting the above poll :confused:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992549)

It wasn't just one situation, it was several.
Do you think the public are being bullied?

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I suspect it will get checked twice, once in the UK then once in the next country it goes to. This will obviously up costs.

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Not advocating a second referendum, but if people become better informed then they are entitled to change their opinions.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35992567)

The public are being bullied by the obstruction of the Remain side, constantly insisting "we are not going to respect your choice, you have to bow down and submit to us". Just as in NI, any attack by the IRA is used to justify getting the Protestants/Unionists to surrender to the IRA/Sinn Fein/Catholics.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992568)

”bullies" :rolleyes:

You are equating disagreement with terrorist attacks.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1556465908

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35992569)

Yet another attack by the IRA and it is used to justify this.
Every time it happens and it is NOT Sinn Fein/IRA/Catholics that have to compromise or concede. Everything has to be done for the (non-existent) peace process. Consider the following situation, you are attacked and the attacker says "hand over your money" or I'll attack you again. You hand over your money. Have you handed it over willingly or under threat of further violence?


Have the Remain side done the slightest thing to recognise the referendum result? They have gone out of their way to subvert it. They are BULLYING people with the threat of making things difficult INDEFINITELY unless everybody gives in to them.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35992572)

Debate is NOT bullying.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992549)

It wasn't just one situation, it was several.
Do you think the public are being bullied?

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I suspect it will get checked twice, once in the UK then once in the next country it goes to. This will obviously up costs.

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Not advocating a second referendum, but if people become better informed then they are entitled to change their opinions.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35992572)

Debate is NOT bullying.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35992584)

So all they've done is debate?:confused: If only that was remotely true. Brexit would have already happened if it was.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35992586)

Debating is part of being in a democracy whether one disagrees with it or not.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35992528)

You're confusing me Mick, I thought you said opinion polls didn't matter and the only poll that mattered was the referendum in 2016? So why are you posting the above poll :confused:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992582)

If the EU elections go ahead, you will soon see that people have not changed their minds. The Brexit Party will surprise a lot of remainers, who would like to think that people now want to stay in the EU.

There will not need to be another referendum if the Brexit Party has the largest share of the vote, which seems rather likely now, don't you agree, Andrew?.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35991920)

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35992605)

I call BS on this, if my car park can tell me I left with out paying (There are no barriers it's all done by ANPR, and the machine said I didn't need to pay after entering my reg, then failed to give me a receipt) and has my details illegally supplied by the DVLA to the car park, then goverments can

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35992605)

I call BS on this, if my car park can tell me I left with out paying (There are no barriers it's all done by ANPR, and the machine said I didn't need to pay after entering my reg, then failed to give me a receipt) and has my details illegally supplied by the DVLA to the car park, then goverments can

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992610)

It's not about the lorries, it's about what's inside it. If all we needed was to track licence plates then yes we would be fine.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35992617)

Disagreeing with someone is not bullying. It is just not being in agreement with another.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992623)

Agreed. I think it degrades the serious issue of bullying by misrepresenting it in this way.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35992625)

So all they've done is to simply say they don't agree and haven't done anything to materially block it?:confused: They had plenty of chances to only say something, before and during the campaign.

Deliberately "standing in the way" of something or someone IS BULLYING.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35992625)

So all they've done is to simply say they don't agree and haven't done anything to materially block it?:confused: They had plenty of chances to only say something, before and during the campaign.

Deliberately "standing in the way" of something or someone IS BULLYING.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35992440)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992659)

The anti-MEP candidates have stated aims to disrupt the working of the EU if elected. Many have clear wishes to see the destruction of the institution they wish to be become part of.

Since you see this as not an issue, let me reverse the scenario: Sinn Fein put their principles aside and take their seats in Westminster. These democratically elected MP's start motions declaring the British occupation of NI illegal. They refuse to represent the wishes and requests of any constituent who is not a Republican.

Yes, you would be first in line to applaud these individuals and support their right to denigrate our Parliament.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992665)

But its OK for remain MP's to do it.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992626)

MPs like Rees-Mogg, Arlene Foster and Vince Cable all opposed Theresa May's deal because they didn't agree with it. That's not bullying as there's no habitual aim to harm or intimidate the public.
"Bully. A person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable." OED

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992680)

Vince Cable, a bully? Sorry, can't see it....

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992679)

I remain of the view that if the Withdrawal Agreement cannot gain the acceptance of Parliament, the UK should go for a 'no deal' and seek to have our current trade arrangements frozen until a deal is agreed with the EU.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992684)

Once UKIP started attracting the unsavory characters . . *snip* ..

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992703)

UKIP are intentionally going for nutjobs it seems though, people who spend their time making reactionary YouTube videos for idiots as an example.

One good thing about the Brexit party is that it will have less of that and is somewhere for people who want to make a statement on Brexit to go without given support to people like this: https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/...t-child-abuse/

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992684)

Once UKIP started attracting the unsavory characters, Farage decided to divorce himself from UKIP and so the Brexit Party was formed. Of course, given what Farage represents, the new party has started to attract some members that even Farage will find difficult to justify.

There is of course George Galloway. Vote for the Brexit Party and you get George for free.

The more sinister new member is a certain Claire Fox. She was a former member of the Revolutionary Communist Party who when the IRA bombed Warrington in 1993 killing 2 children, she and her members issued the statement:



Here's the kicker, she is standing for the BP in NW England which includes Warrington ...

More details here:

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/04/24/f...ht-hand-woman/

She also has other "interesting" views:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Claire_Fox



So, when you put your name down next to the new saviours of democracy in the upcoming elections, think about what and who you are getting ..

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992707)

They are already there:

Claire Fox: views on "freedom"

Brexit Party candidate says people should be free to watch child porn and jihadi videos

Nigel Farage: dog whistling in the US

Nigel Farage slammed after claiming entire streets in Oldham are split along racial lines

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992707)

They are already there:

Claire Fox: views on "freedom"

Brexit Party candidate says people should be free to watch child porn and jihadi videos

Nigel Farage: dog whistling in the US

Nigel Farage slammed after claiming entire streets in Oldham are split along racial lines

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35992739)

A "Fact Check" by the BBC on the EU? :rofl::rofl:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992707)

They are already there:

Claire Fox: views on "freedom"

Brexit Party candidate says people should be free to watch child porn and jihadi videos

Nigel Farage: dog whistling in the US

Nigel Farage slammed after claiming entire streets in Oldham are split along racial lines

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35992737)

They actually did a fact check on today’s Radio 4 tonight show, and they had the guy on who did the report for the inquiry into the 2001 Oldham riots and although he said great efforts have been made to reduce segregation of communities in Oldham they are still very divided with several schools all Asian, and or all white. In 2013 school made in policy to be 50/50 buts that’s only 1no. School.

it very difficult as if the school is in a area that is predominantly inhabited by the immigrant community then is stands to reason that the school will be too and vice versa, he said it will take generations to integrate, on no account did he say Farage was incorrect, however he has laid it on a bit thick with two sides of the same street analogy, but he’s a politician making a point.

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35992740)

The trouble with the so called democratic decision in 2016 on the leavers side was based on bull and lies to spread the fear up the older and less intelligent people and they were democratically caught overspending in the election process (no action taken).

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35992726)

But keep on going with the bullshit smearing, it will not stop me and millions of others voting for the Brexit Party, that Claire Fox rubbish above is just click-bait, there is no way in hell she was saying watching child p0rn is ok and you know why and millions of other Brexiteer's will still vote for them?....

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992750)

With one side it's "Project Fear", with the other it's "making a point" or an "aspiration"...

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992754)

I wish you were right, Mick but The Telegraph have published a recording of her saying it, listen to it here.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-online-says/

I predict that the Brexit Party will make her step down; who would vote for a party fielding a candidate who does not want to ban people from watching child porn?

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35992740)

The trouble with the so called democratic decision in 2016 on the leavers side was based on bull and lies to spread the fear up the older and less intelligent people

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992754)

I wish you were right, Mick but The Telegraph have published a recording of her saying it, listen to it here.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-online-says/

I predict that the Brexit Party will make her step down; who would vote for a party fielding a candidate who does not want to ban people from watching child porn?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992761)

As someone who lives outside the "Southern Bubble", you appear to have me confused with someone else...

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35992775)

Fair enough, but I would suggest you’re in some nice white middle class bubble somewhere?

And that’s ok, so am I.

I’m just not dismissive of the reality’s of the issues out there.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992722)

And we can thank people like you for making it all possible,if only you had accepted the result of the referendum eh ;)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992747)

So will you be voting for the anti-semitic Marxist lot, then?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992754)

I wish you were right, Mick but The Telegraph have published a recording of her saying it, listen to it here.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-online-says/

I predict that the Brexit Party will make her step down; who would vote for a party fielding a candidate who does not want to ban people from watching child porn?

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992777)

She has other views, many an anathema to most in the political centre. Just google her name and enjoy. But of course, she is not the only problem with this new populist party.

The Brexit Party: "Democracy is under threat, join us to start the fightback" they say. Here's the rub, that is all they say. Yes, a party standing for an election with no manifesto. What do they stand for, what are their policies on the NHS, the climate, the Police, etc.

Nothing.

Oh, apart from the NHS where Farage wants to privatise it and move to a insurance-based system of healthcare.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992784)

I see the popularity of the new Brexit Party has got you rattled, then! :rofl:

Incidentally, the NHS is nothing to do with the EU elections. Given that MEPs have little say on matters of great importance, it hardly matters what their views on these subjects are. As far as I, and many, many people in this country are concerned, if we can't get out of this monstrocity of an authority, we will have no choice but to undermine it from within.

The EU know that, which is why they will not be just waiting to see what happens. They will soften on the backstop, one way or the other, or find a way around it. If, against all common sense I'm wrong on that, I shall be looking on with great amusement. They will be begging us to leave after putting up with Faragist tactics for any length of time.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992777)

What result was that? The one gained by illegal methods and misinformation. The one where 37% of the electorate decides the future of the entire country for a generation? That one? ;)

Be careful where your anger takes you. You are getting into bed with some unsavory, anti-democratic individuals:

Nigel Farage & Steve Bannon: What Exactly Is The Connection?

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No, I won't. Will you be voting for the racist, xenophobic lot then?

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She has other views, many an anathema to most in the political centre. Just google her name and enjoy. But of course, she is not the only problem with this new populist party.

The Brexit Party: "Democracy is under threat, join us to start the fightback" they say. Here's the rub, that is all they say. Yes, a party standing for an election with no manifesto. What do they stand for, what are their policies on the NHS, the climate, the Police, etc.

Nothing.

Oh, apart from the NHS where Farage wants to privatise it and move to a insurance-based system of healthcare.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992792)

Also Farage doesn't turn up that much. As you said he pretty much turns up to do one of his speeches, gets it cut for social media, and then disappears again so he can have his supporters to do the 'oh hahaha! They must really hate him! LOL" responses.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35992798)

Keep going with the Fake News and more pathetic smearing. And I knew you’d come along with your bullshit 37% of the country figures, as usual again, and here’s me to remind you, that you cannot include people ineligible to vote, those who couldn’t be arsed to vote in any % calculation.

The UK voted to leave the EU- That is a fact you cannot ever refute regardless of your inaccuracies and assertions.

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This just goes to show how little you know of the inner workings of the corrupted EU. They won’t listen to Farage even if he did turn up!

We shouldn’t be still in there for crying out loud. We should have been out by now!

But thanks to the Democracy abusers and Saboteurs, we’re still there some 3 years later and entering elections in to an establishment we democratically chose to leave.

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BREAKING: Change UK is polling behind The Brexit Party....

...in London :rofl:

ChUK on 17%
BREX on 19%

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992816)

You seem very fond of polls all of a sudden ! Less than one in five supporting Brexit is nothing to get excited about ;)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992846)

Labour leads but The Brexit Party seems to be doing pretty well in London at 19%. The three unambiguously anti-Brexit Parties (Change UK, Liberal Democrats, Greens) total 37% whilst the Conservative vote and Labour vote are down, by half in the case of the Conservatives.

Labour 28% (2014: 37%)
Brexit Party 19%
Change UK 17%
Conservative Party 11% (2014: 22%)
Liberal Democrats 10%
Greens 10%
http://www.cityam.com/276935/europea...l-brexit-party
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4130211.html

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992852)

How long before someone seriously suggests that London should remain and the rest of the country leave the EU?

I don't know what people think this poll signifies, as London is not going to be voting on its own, is it?

Across the UK, the Brexit Party will lead by a country mile.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992789)

Probably not - he (and his ilk) are not disruptive at the E.U. Parliament, just noisy and showboating; he is wind and fury, signifying nothing - all his speeches are for his loyal audience and media spots, they don’t actually disrupt anything (I can find no evidence that he has adversely affected any E.U. Parliamentary votes or committee meetings).

He is a gadfly, not a hornet to the E.U. Parliament.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992860)

You can be disruptive by not doing the job you are obligated to do. Farage is a member of the fisheries committee, but has not attended a single meeting in the past two-and-a-half years.

If you are elected, you have a duty to do the job you are getting the salary for. Period.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992784)

I see the popularity of the new Brexit Party has got you rattled, then! :rofl:

Incidentally, the NHS is nothing to do with the EU elections. Given that MEPs have little say on matters of great importance, it hardly matters what their views on these subjects are. As far as I, and many, many people in this country are concerned, if we can't get out of this monstrocity of an authority, we will have no choice but to undermine it from within.

The EU know that, which is why they will not be just waiting to see what happens. They will soften on the backstop, one way or the other, or find a way around it. If, against all common sense I'm wrong on that, I shall be looking on with great amusement. They will be begging us to leave after putting up with Faragist tactics for any length of time.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992861)

Oh, I totally agree, but he’s not disruptive in that he is actively blocking legislation or disrupting meetings - he’s more like the guy who sits in a pub for four hours but only drinks a half pint; more of a niggle than an annoyance (we should re-brand him as Niggle Forage - an annoyance who scrounges everything he can, whilst not actually doing any of the work that he is paid for...).

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992860)

You can be disruptive by not doing the job you are obligated to do. Farage is a member of the fisheries committee, but has not attended a single meeting in the past two-and-a-half years.

If you are elected, you have a duty to do the job you are getting the salary for. Period.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35992866)

Is this parody?

We elected a ton of MPs to honour the referendum result, they are paid more and are not doing what they got elected on. So don’t go on about duty and principles when hardly any of the *******s in parliament are doing what they’re paid to do.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992873)

No parody. The MP's, mostly, are doing their job: defending the best interests of their country and constituencies.

Ironically, it was the Hard Brexit MP's that did not vote for Brexit when it was on a plate in front of them. There's your parody!

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992873)

No parody. The MP's, mostly, are doing their job: defending the best interests of their country and constituencies.

Ironically, it was the Hard Brexit MP's that did not vote for Brexit when it was on a plate in front of them. There's your parody!

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35992879)

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall did more to change the EU fishing policies than ever Farage.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992876)

Spot on. Love it how some have fallen for the flakey betrayal narrative. Bottom line is if all the MPs who agreed to support the leave decision - and that includes former Remainers too who endorsed the vote like Philp Hammond - could actually reach a consensus on the type of withdrawal agreement then we would have left the EU by now.