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well said that man :clap::clap::clap::clap:

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168Days 00Hrs 25Min and 50seconds :D


That's all that needs to be said .... ;)

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What utter crap.

The chaos is a made up fantasy by you Remainers, in your selfish hopes, leaving does fail. You are weak for not wanting to put your country first and going it alone.

My head is NOT in the sand. I’m proud to stand up for my country and vote us out of a pathetic con job membership club where we are only one of a handful of the members, who puts more in than we get out, we can self govern and live in prosperity outside the rotten EU. We do not need the corrupted EU to thrive.

It’s you Remainers with your heads in the sand. Not us Brexiteers!!!

And you would also selfishly destroy democracy to get your own way.

You lost. Us leavers won and we are strong, my head still stands high above my shoulders. Not in the sand.

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Fantastic. :D

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Wondering how fishing will change after Brexit - it would appear not a lot. Small low impact fishing trawlers will still be up against the big 5.

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And we will solve those issues. Not a problem, I don’t want those poisonous cretins accommodating us. They never have but gladly took our con job membership fee.

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Until what ?

We remain in the Customs Union in a never ending 'transition period', still in the EU in all but name, but with no say or influence and still bound by EU rules? Costing us billions more upon the extra billions this whole shambles has already cost us ? Looking forward to that ! (enjoy the celebrations, because it'll be a very long hangover when you wake up to reality.......):rolleyes:

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Glad you're going to solve all the issues Mick ! Give TM a call and tell her how :D

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I've heard Brexit called many things, but 'romantic' is stretching it a bit.

On the contrary, it's the remainers who are in some sort of love affair, with the EU. I can only envisage that they are closing their eyes and pinching their noses, or they are suffering from the Stockholm syndrome.

The sooner we leave that stinking bureaucratic, monolithic organisation, the better.

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Gladly, first advice I'd give her is to resign and let a true Brexiteer steer the ship out of the EU Storm, needs someone's heart who is a true Brexiteer and believes in that Britain is way better out of a rotten EU empire that cons us of a hefty membership fee.

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Wrong yet again as l voted for remain but l have no love affair with the EU l can assure you but yet again here we have some of the people who voted for Brexit insulting and belittling those who did not vote for it.

Its a unintelligent vacuous straw man argument which frankly to put it bluntly is insulting to many that voted for remain.

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Den - you need to stop this defensive approach every time OB speaks - he is not speaking about you personally and he has said this to you in all fairness.

So enough of posts like this every time he says something about a Remainer, he is not talking about YOU - I could easily become offended every time a Remainer starts dissing a Brexiteer, but I don't.

As for the accusations of belittling and insulting, yes, over the last page, us Brexiteers have been, by being classed as ignorant and being told our heads are in the sand which is utter rubbish and I have said so, I took no offense to such ridiculous categorisations.

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So remaining would cost the UK an EXTRA £4bn a year. That'll look good on the side of a bus. :D

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Well those ‘poisonous cretins’ never accommodated us apart from;

Economic and monetary union, AKA the Euro
Charter of fundamental rights
Schengen Agreement
Area of Freedom, Security and Justice

Plus, of course a big old rebate.

Source - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt-...European_Union

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In fairness, the remainers on this forum have all said that the EU is imperfect but on balance, it is better to be in than out. I don't call that a love affair. In contrast, it is the Brexiters who ignore the economists who state leaving the EU will cause a long term negative impact on the UK and not just a short sharp shock.

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Well gee, so unimpressive and still not worth the con job membership fee. I stand by what I said.

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But they have compromised and allowed the uk to opt out of some things yes?

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[QUOTE=jonbxx;35966344]Well those ‘poisonous cretins’ never accommodated us apart from;

Economic and monetary union, AKA the Euro [SEPH]: You're getting me going now! The Euro is flawed because there is no fiscal union, which requires a single fiscal/budgetary authority. So we get to the Greece and perhaps Italy situations; in the case of Greece, nothing but misery has been brought to the people; admittedly the Greek mentality of not paying tax and poor productivity is why reality caught up with them but it threatened the Euro. Also the credit crunch caused problems for countries that could not adjust their financial policies in the same way that we could, being outside the Euro. The Euro would have been a good thing if Germany hadn't skewed its valuation against the DM by allowing countries that didn't meet the 3% deficit rule to join the Euro club. The Euro is a political project and founded on monetary union with all its ramifications and responsibilities.

Charter of fundamental rights [SEPH]: Big deal. It has brought us nothing but stupid rulings; like we couldn't deport criminals because of the right to family life; or because they had a cat. We are the UK - we do human rights and don't need crass extensions imposed by others.


Schengen Agreement [SEPH]: I can't fault the benefits of Schengen for internal (EU) travel - except that foolishly permitted ingress of 1 million refugees (and terrorists) from the Syrian conflagration has caused countries to threaten and actually impose border controls.


Area of Freedom, Security and Justice [SEPH]: Not sure about justice. The EU countries administer law by codex whereas we use case law where statute doesn't cover a situation. It means that in Codex based countries, the law states what you can do and everything else you cannot do and judges interpret this. In the UK the law states what you cannot do or what you must do; the rest is determined by case law.


Plus, of course a big old rebate. [SEPH]: The history of/reason for the rebate is explained at http://theconversation.com/the-uks-e...xplained-58019. Just thought people might like to know.

I warn you all again, if they can realise their direction of travel (i.e. federalisation), then our parliament will be trumped by the European Parliament - and those power hungry politicians are no better than our useless politicians. Difficult as it is to unshackle and untangle, the longer we leave it, the harder it will get.




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Have they compromised? Didn't we opt out where our veto could have stopped the whole thing they were trying to do? I think it is we who compromised by not using the veto.

Those tricksters allowed France to make working rules as restricted across the EU as they were in France - to stop others being more competitive. When we vetoed it, they moved the directive into Health & Safety which only required a qualified majority. As Mick says, they are con-merchants and only want our net contribution and market because we are otherwise a lost cause to their stupid federalisation plans.

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[QUOTE=Sephiroth;35966352]:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

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Well, personally, I would not be confident about what the economists say. They have got it wrong on countless occasions and I am absolutely certain that they've got Brexit wrong, too.

Too much emphasis on the negatives with no suitable allowance for the positives. How do they calculate the impact of new trade deals, for example, before they know who they will be with, what they will cover and when they will be effective? It's much easier for them to concentrate on what we will be losing from the EU as this is more predictable.

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And that is the problem with economists, they can only go with the model they have.

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they also no we be only country in world with 0 trade deals if it a no deal Brexit the pound will plummet must worse that it did after the vote to leave

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You are assuming no trade deals have been made already pending our exit.

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Yes, that's right. If they put rubbish in, they will get rubbish out. And yet some are quite happy to base their decisions on the dodgy conclusions they come up with.

Economic assessments should certainly be considered when taking decisions, but only as an assessment of possible risk. This ensures that you have some contingencies to mitigate against those risks.

However, take the conclusions as gospel and 90% of the time you'd be screwed.

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[QUOTE=Sephiroth;35966352]My questions was, did the EU compromise and let countries opt out? Not just the UK by the way of course. To say the EU never accommodate the UK is not correct.

By the way, the ‘cannot deport due to owning a cat’ is a lie. It was after a deportation hearing about a Bolivian and their right to family life under ECHR, not an EU thing. Thereasa May has been criticised for repeating this lie - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15171980

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Well, you keep saying that, Dave, but has it occurred to you that we could use much of the same wording we have with the EU trade deals as a transitional arrangement pending negotiation of new bespoke trade deals? This is not rocket science, and talks have been held with many countries behind the scenes, including with Japan, Ausralia, New Zealand, India and the US that I know about.

Don't forget also that you don't need a trade deal to trade!

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[QUOTE=jonbxx;35966380][SEPH]: That's more or less calling me a liar; you shouldn't do that unless I am lying.

The same case was reported in the Telegraph:

The Asylum and Immigration Tribunal ruled that sending the Bolivian man back to his homeland would breach his human rights because he was entitled to a "private and family life", and joint ownership of a pet was evidence that he was fully settled in this country.

:

A court's consideration of the right to family life under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights often focuses on whether an immigrant should stay in Britain because they have children who were born in this country. However, this is believed to be the first time the courts have been asked to attach weight to joint custody of a pet.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...f-pet-cat.html

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they is no transitional arrangement if it a no deal Brexit it a massive fall of a cliff edge OB and there is countries lining up to object to our WTO terms too

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Dave, if I was in charge of this, I would be talking to various countries with whom we wanted a trade deal and getting agreement in principle on the detailed arrangements we were looking for post Brexit. You are aware, of course, that we cannot enter into anything formally until we actually leave.

If it is not possible to ensure that we can get bespoke deals on day one when we leave, all we have to do is get a general agreement with each of those countries that the existing arrangements will continue, for a period of, say, 2 years, during which time negotiations for a new deal were continuing. The document for these interim arrangements would be drawn up, and this would give us the window we need to secure a new bespoke deal with each country.

As I said, not rocket science, you just have to think it through. You can't just throw up your hands at every problem that comes your way and declare "We're doomed" or "The end of the world is nigh" bcause we're not, and it isn't.

And let's not forget that we will continue to trade with the EU, deal or no deal.

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Then get your precious EU to stop pissing about with the negotiations, they are the ones currently being the bloody difficult imbeciles here offering zero concessions as per usual, but oh no, not a bad word to say about the corrupted EU fools have you ? :rolleyes:

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So HMG is not being difficult in the negotiations either? as yes the EU are being difficult but they are not the ones who are pulling out of the EU as its up to Theresa May and her government at the end of the day to come to a agreement with the EU and thus so far in two years they have agreed basically diddly squat and my hunch is there will be another delay come next March l suspect.

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trying to put words in my mouth again when have a I ever said EU was precious like most remain votes on here EU is far from perfect but we have benefits being a member and our MPs been more corrupted that EU has even been

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No we have not been difficult Den.

And you are wrong on it just being us being responsible, yes we are leaving the rotten Union but - it is up to the EU, also to keep Trade deals with existing companies open.

At the end of the day - we are not leaving Europe - we can and should still be able to do trade deals with European Countries, without the corrupted EU's meddling.

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No they have not - that's utter bullshit and as I have said previously - least we can get rid of such MPs via the ballot box.

The benefits are not worth the con job membership fee, I do not know how many more times have to bloody well say that!!!

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Sorry but l disagree with you on that as it takes 2 to come to a amicable agreement and not just one party in discussions.

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wind your neck in as l am no apologist for the EU and never have been.

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I am well aware it takes 2, I don't need lectures on how negotiations work Den.

What you're suggesting is we bend over backwards and agree to everything they want - not a chance.

We have made concessions - they have not - so in essence - you are still wrong Den.

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I beg to differ - you have made posts within last half hour saying, we the UK should move mountains for the EU, while they sit there and do sweet FA!!!

That's being an apologist for the EU, as Seph suggested.

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It only needs one party to cause problems and be intransigent, though, Den. As Mick says, if the person you are dealing with is unreasonable, a deal may not be possible unless you bend to their unreasonable demands.

A failure to agree does not necessarily mean that both parties are to blame. It takes, as they say, two to tango. And one to be bloody minded!

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l never said that as l stated it takes two to come to a agreement and thus so far that agreement is not forthcoming.

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[QUOTE=Sephiroth;35966384]Ok, if lie is a bit strong, then it is repeating something known to be untrue. See a summary of the legal argument here - https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/d...at-immigration

And there’s the statement from the judicial office - "This was a case in which the Home Office conceded that they had mistakenly failed to apply their own policy - applying at that time to that appellant - for dealing with unmarried partners of people settled in the UK.
"That was the basis for the decision to uphold the original tribunal decision - the cat had nothing to do with the decision."

Anyway, all kind of irrelevant as this whole thing was down to ECHR and not the EU so Brexit will change nothing

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So you believe everything that HMG says and nothing the EU says during the negotiations?.

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LOL - my trust in the EU is 0 Den - thought that should have been obvious by now.

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l stated it takes two to come to a agreement as you know full well that is what l said.

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Of course it does, it also takes a bit of give and take on both sides. So far the EU have given nothing.
Go figure.

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l know your thoughts on the EU as that is as obvious to anybody.

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And that is what HMG has said as l would not place my trust in what they say just as much as l would not place my trust in what the EU says either.

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So you don't trust the EU either. You are obviously a very confused person.

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l am not confused l can assure you as l am pragmatic in my thinking generally about a good many things.

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That's exactly what we should be worried about. Our position is weak, and we've had to keep changing our 'red lines'. The EU have been consistent, have the strength of 27 countries, and have barely budged.
27 versus 1, not good odds, work it out...

We've blinked first, many times and will keep blinking/delaying/'transitioning', as the economic reality becomes apparent and we try to postpone an economic crisis.

People really need to have a serious think about what this means for themselves and their families. A 'We won', 'you lost' footy game this isn't -we all lose whichever way we voted. This inept divided Govt. is exactly what we don't need at the moment.

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We have, indeed, been very accommodating. Hopefully, if we have to leave without a deal, the electorate will remember this. At least Thersa May will be able to say, with considerable conviction, that she tried her best.

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I assume you are not seriously suggesting that TM hasn't tried her absolute best to get an agreement with the EU? Surely, you are not agreeing with that?

TM was a Remainer, but she has made it very clear that she will implement the will of the electorate. As for whether she's played it wrong, maybe you should sit back and see what happens.

We are broadly on the same page, Seth, but really you need to put yourself in Theresa May's shoes, but in a masculine sort of way oops:

If she were to have to crash out of the EU without a deal, she would be criticised by Remainers for not having tried hard enough had she not been as accommodating as possible.

She is positioning herself for a win-win scenario. If we have to put up with a no deal, she will get the backing of the Brexiteers and she will be able to claim (rightly) that she tried her best to get an accommodation with the EU.

If she does get a deal that doesn't breach our red lines, she will be able to claim that her tactics have paid off.

What else could you possibly expect, apart from total capitulation to the EU?

I assure you, I do not speak claptrap, as you will start to appreciate as events unfold.

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Another way of looking at it. Those who still support leave have won the battle (to leave the EU), but the UK will lose the war (becoming isolated).

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Isolated? From whom, exactly?

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Poetic, but equally misguided fantasy/fiction.

One wonders how we ever managed prior to the 70's, when we were not in any corrupted union. :rolleyes:

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you mean when we were sick man of Europe right

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Oh please, is that the best come back you got?

Very disingenuous to say the least.

That label has been passed about from pillar to post and back again - all within countries who are currently EU Member States, so go figure, hell in fact, the EU was also given the same label, now that I can believe..... :dozey:

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We were branded that AFTER we joined the EU then subsequently under the Callaghan Labour government in the late 70's.

Older members here have first hand experience of those years. :(

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Erm, no.

We were called it when the 3 day week came into force, which was early 74 (I was there too) - before the EEC referendum.

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Erm yes.

The EEC referendum was not about joining, we were already in and had been for a couple of years.

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It also reached it's zenith during the winter of discontent. (78-79)

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From being the sick man of Europe, through greater freedom of trade and competition that EU membership has contributed to, we have become one of the top European countries again. It's been a tough process but we got there.
The challenge is to retain this success post-Brexit and ensure that new technologies like electric cars are designed and made here in the UK and we don't become a side show to the rest of Europe.

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This is not a footy match, Den doesn't have to support one side or the other.

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No, but he thinks the UK should be the one to bend over backwards because we exercised our democratic right to leave the EU, while the EU doesn't need to do anything, AKA, sweet FA.

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They will update and refine those models.

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When their fictional predictions turned out to be project fear all along. ;)

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No l don't if you read my posts Mick.

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At the moment, it seems to be perfidious Davis who is threatening a good deal for the country.https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/10/7.jpg
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45853384

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Yes you did Den...

I read your post and that's exactly what you inferred.

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They are the government at the end of the day so its up to them to come to a amicable agreement with the EU..

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A German newspaper claims they've seen the withdrawal bill and it'll be announced tomorrow: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...ehen-1.4168879

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We joined the 1st of January 1973, and the 3 day week came into force at Midnight 31st December 1973, so it wasn’t a couple of years...

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The 3 day week was brought about by the then Corbynite equivalent; Scargill & McGachy who prevented electricity from being generated. This sort of thing rattled on for years until Thatcher squashed it.

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I have read the article. It may well get through the EU approvers. It would need a “frist” as in a definite end date rather than a hoped for end date for the Customs Union - in other words imo, a fudge is no longer an option. Getting it through our Parliament is thus in a knife edge.

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They government has come up with several amicable solutions, but the EU is not listening. It is quite good at the art of 'non'!

Given that ee have come up with proposals and the EU are just standing there with arms folded, I really don't see how you can blame this on the government.

David Cameron came up with some very modest proposals and was rebuffed. The EU is just intransigent and doesn't have a democratic bone in its body of officials. I don't see why you want to defend them and place all the blame on May.

You still haven't told us what you would do in her place.

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You are correct this time.;)

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I think developments have overtaken your post. As we speak, Dominic Raab is meeting Michel Barnier.
Looks like a deal with the EU has been agreed; we will have to remain in a customs union until the technology comes along that enables a soft border in Ireland.
If Brexiter MPs are confident that this technology can be developed then they should support the PM. At the moment, they don't seem confident of this so Theresa May will have to get some of her support from the opposition benches.

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That will not go down well with the hard leave group.

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What theological institutions?

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Even a broken clock.................;)

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I don't and those are nothing to do with theology.
The other part of your post whilst incorrect is also irrelevant as a deal is imminent. Just need Theresa May to rally Jeremy Corbyn's MPs behind her and the deal is done. ;)

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When the devil gets new ice skates ;)

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lol with that phrase :D
The second funniest thing I read on Brexi today. The first was Arlene Foster, DUP leader, urging Theresa May “to stand by her principles and instincts rather than accepting a dodgy deal foisted on her by others”.

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Just love the infighting with the Tories... who's for the chop in the party I wonder.

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Well that didn’t last long! Deal apparently agreed at the technical level but not at the political. Barrier and Raab meet and it’s off again - https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...-deal-reached/

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I reckon that's so a final deal can be sorted out at the last-minute and Theresa May can say she's got some concessions through tough negotiating.

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Our current regulations on products are the SAME as the rest of the EU. That will also be the same on day one of the [mythical] Brexit. Surely there are no issues until we start changing them. Even then the changes will be known well in advance of being applied, not be major changes, and will affect a limited ranges of products.



It's possible our standards would be higher. Eg many years ago there was an issue with French UHT milk. UK producers were held to higher standards, which the French didn't meet. The UK tried to block imports of the sub-standard French UHT milk, but the EU said we couldn't.


As long as any product brought into or made in the UK has CE(ie EU) certification, there shouldn't be an issue at all.

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It all depends on what deal is negotiated. If a product has been certified by British certification firm with a CE mark it becomes invalid in the event of no deal as the certification firm is in a third country and can't be overseen by EU bodies. There could be a deal to avoid this but some things are hard to avoid if you're not in a single market. Trade deals commonly require the product you're exporting to have a certain level of local content. This makes sense, otherwise a developed company could do something like add a steering wheel to a Chinese made car and claim it's local.
For EU-made products, the local content can be from anywhere in the UK including the UK. When we leave the EU, our products won't be part of that percentage. Therefore, EU manufacturers may have to substitute British-made parts for EU-made parts to access trade deals.

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So those 4 things they said were non-negotiable at the beginning of the talks are still non-negotiable?

Quelle surprise...

And we’ve been so flexible...

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So how do non-EU countries deal with CE certification? The manufacturers are the ones that state whether it is CE certified or not. There are cases currently where products are imported that are not safe. Just goes to show it's a bogus issue on the part of the EU. In theory a German firm can manufacture items which don't meet EU regulations, as long as they don't sell them in the EEA. In theory somebody in Ireland will be able to go to NI, and buy an item that is not CE certified, but is ok for sale in the UK, if the UK changes any rules. No different to the current EU setup. Somebody could travel to the US and bring back a non-CE certified product, all legal and above board. As far as the EU should be concerned, there should be no issues with this, until and if the UK changes any product rules. Chances are any UK rules will be broadly similar or above and beyond any EU rules. Little point in a manufacturer making a product that is ok to sell the UK, but not in the EU.

If anything we are the ones with potential to complain if we have higher product standards, but have to allow lower standard EU products to be sold here.

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Here's an article on what might happen on the subject of CE marking port Brexit - https://machinerysafety101.com/2018/...presentatives/

Basically, some directives require the 'Authorised Representative' who assures and issues the CE marking to be based in the EU. Post Brexit, it may be the case that the UK based Authorised Representatives are no longer authorised so CE marking issued by these people may no longer be valid. There's no trust in regulated environments, it's all 'prove it' and show how you proved it robustly. It's these horrible regulatory things that keep me in a job (though in medicines rather than CE marking)

You are right that the UK may well keep standards at or above the requirements of the EU directives. There is a great deal of working internationally to try and harmonise standards as the cost of different standards is significant for manufacturers. The International Council for Harmonisation of Technical Requirements for Pharmaceuticals for Human Use (ICH)is a good example of this, bringing together Europe, the US and Japan initially with many other joining.

However, the alignment of standards is political as well as technical. It's part of the reason TTIP stalled.

Products are certainly made in the EU without CE marking for export markets. These products are considered to not be 'placed on the market' in the EU. There are some differences between UL certified machinery and CE marked items for example. I have had customers try and buy UL certified machinery for export to the US and we are simply unable to sell them in the EU as they are not items 'placed on the market' and therefore illegal to sell.

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BREAKING: Prime Minister Theresa May to give Statement to MPs in the House of Commons later this afternoon, after Brexit talks break down in Brussels yesterday. (It's an unusual move - she always gives a Statement after an EU Summit, not before one).

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Probably just another 'tough talk' to show the EU we mean business rather than an election, resignation or whatever.

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Or giving away N Ireland the Hebrides and Lands end.

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A lot of hyperbole. Let the politicians play. Just watch with amusement. Don't forget to look surprised when, after everyone thought everything was lost, an incredible deal is announced.

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I wish I had the maney to take out a gagging order baning NS from mentioning staying in a customs union or words to that effect.

Leaving the EU means leaving that.

It matters not that the Scots voted to stay, the majority voted leave.

I didn't vote Tory in the General Election, so can I demand another vote?

But beacuse of Brexit I doubt I'd vote Labour while JC is in power.

Tories are also doubtful due to my local Tories stance on same sex relationships, as you may know my niece cam out last year and I couldn't look her in the face after voting for him.

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can you see it getting passed parliament OB I cant see how any deal can and DUP want cliff edge no deal now and parliament wont vote for that either

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This is of course the ‘easiest deal in history’ so at least it’s good practice for the tougher ones down the line after we have left.