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There was a report in The Hill on Trump Jr back in May. Mueller may be looking at it but he'll need to come up with something serious if they're going to use it against him. While something as innocuous as Sessions meeting Kislyak at some press conference might have got the desired recusal that's unlikely to be enough to hang serious criminal charges on Trump Jr.

At some point the insanity of all this needs to stop. It's just unrealistic to expect someone to recall not only every contact they made during a campaign but also the content of every discussion and the background of everyone they interacted with.

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If you're in a Presidential campaign you should be careful who you arrange meetings with and be meticulous in recording that.

If you're then going under oath to testify about these things you should have good lawyers and be careful what you say.

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Of course you should be careful but the reality of the situation is that you're quite likely to be at an event with hundreds of people who want to meet you. You are also likely to be in meetings with people you don't know and are only tangentially engaged with. For example, you may be invited to a certain foreign policy meeting where you aren't the principle and don't intend to engage but are asked what seems to be an innocuous question or two. I've been there with state and local campaigns I worked on so I can only imagine how impossible it would be during a presidential campaign.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45286906

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I have a hard time even imagining what the relationship is like between Trump and Sessions. To call it antagonistic would be an understatement. I also don't understand what Sessions is doing. He seems to be entirely hands off on all issues that come up. Theoretically he's been focused on gang violence but one certainly wouldn't notice that from reading the papers. He is also supposed to have been involved in immigration reform but, again, I sure don't see the results.

I'm not saying that I want an activist running the DoJ but it would be nice to have someone that at least lets us know he's breathing every once in a while.

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Sessions is just protecting himself by playing it safe and by the book. If the investigation turns up anything then he doesn't want to be on the hook for trying to have stopped it. Attorney General is a serious and important job, what does Sessions have to gain by being dodgy? Much better for him to get be fired than fire.

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My whole point over all this, and l have said before that DT has used financial muscle to win the election. He condemned Hilary Clinton. And saying that she should go to prison. She has stayed silent and dignified.

She hasn't slagged Trump off. Yet we have DT in the American papers, saying that he has the RIGHT to play a certain right to play a musician's song at his rallies.

The musician has stated that he doesn't want DT to play his music at Political rallies. DT has gone along and keeps playing them

DT thinks he can get away with everything. Even on Tv, if you look closely, he looks as though he spends most of his time under a sun tan lamp.

I am NOT American, but l hate the man, because he is going to bring a lot of trouble for the States. And other people will pay the price.

He has covered his tracks. But, l have a sneeky feeling that someone will crack and start talking. BUT, the house of senate is all REPUBLICAN and wont go against there man.

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Garbage, he spent less actual money than any other previous President to get elected.

What planet are you living on?? Dignified? She is the most undignified, vile, sorry excuse for a slut shaming, disgrace to real women, ever to have sought the Presidency...leave along won the nomination. (All while claiming to be in favor of the rights of women). :rollseyes:

As for silent...she hasn't managed to keep that little hole in her head shut for more than a day since getting beaten. Either in claiming the Russians outright stole it, to claiming that every other reason she lost was some kind of bad thing (sexism / the FBI / the media etc etc).

Holy shit, is it worth carrying on this conversation with you? Or do you want me to break the bandwidth of the site, citing every example going back 19 months?

Look that is just the first 3 lines of your post. I almost never put anyone on ignore but if that is your serious point of view I will just lump your commentary as worthless. Let me know, before I carry on.

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I can see you don't know Arthur yet Chloe. He's a bit of a legend on here. You'll get used to him eventually.:D
telfordcable is another. They'd make a good double act!:D:D:D

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The tide has turned - it may have been warranted before but this last week showed that Trump can ride this out pretty easily. Not necessarily due to him but Cohen tried to get cute and just threw himself to the wolves, admitting to doing something wrong which he accused Trump of being party to, without being able to prove it. So now, we all know Cohen did do it, but are we going to believe a soon to be convicted felon that the President put him up to it? Trump is going to be fin for the foreseeable future. Somehow, Cohen has managed to secure that for him.

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She has done no such thing - she wrote a bloody book. Goes on and on about losing an election she was meant to win.

You do know she got the questions to the debate with Bernie Sanders don't you?

You're not suppose to see the questions, the element of surprise etc but she got them putting Sanders at a disadvantage. That's called cheating!!!

You do know she paid for the FAKE Russian dossier on Trump, along with her party, the DNC. Fake Intel obtained from Russians via Steele, that's the real collusion, so enough of this, she is dignified bollocks - she doesn't know the meaning of the bloody word.

Jeez man, Arthur - you are really showing that you don't know what you're talking about, carry on watching the latest soaps dude. We get that you don't like Trump but stop making stuff up as you are making yourself look very silly.

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No. He said he reimbursed Cohen for the money that Cohen paid to Daniels and McDougal. Cohen is the one who claims that Trump instructed him to do as much (effectively confirming his own guilt in the process). Did Trump ever admit to colluding / instructing Cohen to make the payment? Lanny Davis released some mumbled recording - that is about it. Trump has said that he reimbursed Cohen - that is totally different to saying "Yeah, I knew about it at the time, told him to do it, etc etc". You have to parse the words very carefully - Rudy might be coaching him but this is exactly what he said:

If you are a lawyer you need to do more than just run a two bit taxi medallion service.

Cohen has made accusations which have confessed his own guilt which he tried to tie Trump to. Trump has made absolutely no statement corroborating it as such.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4403175/t...gn-violations/

Cohen is a moron.

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Looks like Trumps sabre rattling over the markets plummeting is up to his usual blowhard standards.

As for what Trump says and when, I doubt he can even remember, as he only ever says what suits him at the time.

Amusing opinion piece on how the press and Trump spokespeople would react if Trump shot Cohen in broad daylight. :rofl:

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Kind of like how Hillary was the best friend of the GOP? I mean let's face it, the only reason that Trump is President is because he ran against her...

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The Democrats will worry that attempting to impeach Trump will motivate his base to turn out in November, they might also prefer to face a scandal-hit Trump in 2020 than a new candidate. Also many are probably sensible enough to see the possible ramifications of it and be uneasy with removing a President without sufficient reason.

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Plus there is the additional problem of having Pence instead.

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Hardly, he is a social conservative, opposed to abortion / gay marriage etc. We clearly need someone like him who was "never severely pro choice" at any point. Principle wins the day, every time. He is not a problem.

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Well 'we', as in those who agree with pro choice and who understand science would beg to differ.

Never anyone else's business what choices someone else makes about their own body.

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Others disagree - he won't dine alone with a woman other than his wife.

He's an Evangelical Christian who uses his religion to shape policy, and the Founders wanted them kept separate.

There's "social conservative" and there's "here comes Gilead...".

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You can beg all you want, won't make any difference to me...


Uh huh, you claim to know science and think that the baby's body is your own, do you? :rolleyes:

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Strange how some "social conservatives" lose all interest in the baby's health and well being once it's born...

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Some, but I am not one of them. (Not sure about Pence) I don't believe in womb to tomb care Hugh, though I am glad to see a little support thrown the child's way. (Especially for those who need foster care / adoption and are not wanted by the mother). Certainly better to be alive than the barbarism of sticking a fork up your ho ha and dragging out a baby that has hit gestation / has viability.

I would not see myself as a heartless person who is opposed to welfare ; on the contrary I see myself as a compassionate conservative. On social issues and national security I lean way / far right but on the economy I am pretty down the middle.

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A foetus is the equivalent of a parasite until it can survive outside the womb. You would grant personhood to a foetus that may never make it past the first trimester, let alone develop a brain. Or force a woman to stay pregnant knowing that will kill her and probably the foetus she is carrying.

Sorry, but forced birthers make me so angry over their obsession with a potential life, whilst not caring so much about children who are alive now and really do need the help and support.

Forced birthers want slavery for women.

What is even worse, where abortion is restricted, more women have abortions and more children are left motherless. Where abortions are legal, women have fewer abortions and children get to keep their mothers.

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I never said that I was in favor of personhood, do not put words in my mouth.

I am definitely opposed to allowing the mother to kill said child that she is carrying yes....you may see a foetus as a parasite, I don't. You may think that I was one when I was in the womb, you may think that you were one when you were in the womb, but you know jack shit about science if you think that.

As for forcing a woman to stay pregnant when she is carrying a child that may kill her...any real woman would die first than kill an innocent child she is carrying.

Like those unwanted who then get adopted...good job someone doesn't come in and gut them in the womb first, eh?

Of course in helping them later / in adult life here is the risk that someone like you will come along and call them a parasite (assuming that you know what it means by then) so defending them won't just stop after birth - they'll need a little protection from the likes of you for years to come.

Actually it was someone into eugenics (Margaret Sanger) who first whored her ass for Eugenics and ended up bringing about the modern abortion movement.

Interesting that...coz ummm...she argued that it was her body, and her right, and her right alone, correct? I mean it is my body, and my right...so if you got pregnant do I have a right to punch you in the womb / kill your child?

Ohhh...right that would be correct, it is only you that has the ownership of said child / body etc, right?

Remind me who is the slaveowner here again?

What possible notion gave you that idea??

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What you choose to do with your womb is your business alone. Stay out of mine.

PS a foetus is not a child/baby or person until it has the ability to survive outside the womb. - It really is a simple as that. Anything else is putting the rights of a potential life as having greater value than actual life.

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Yeah, that was pretty screwed up, I will admit. I am a pretty hot woman by the standards of most (not that I necessarily agree) but his views feel like it discriminates upon the likes of me. Granted, it is his right to do so, but I do kind of feel shafted lol. Pence does do things that would likely be seen as sound (in terms of what it says in the bible), so who am I to judge?

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/allen-w...ion-1535121992 https://www.npr.org/2018/08/24/64149...=1535123705559

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The CFO of the Trump organisation has also just been given immunity: https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/stat...02863314825216

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If he was convicted by the Senate though, he would no longer be the actual President. The army would answer up the chain of command (JC / SECDEF / POTUS etc) but the President would be the incumbent VP who automatically becomes the President if the former President (current, at the time), is expelled having been convicted, by the Senate.

After trial (and conviction for the scenario to play out) he would be guilty of a crime so would almost certainly be charged, and once expelled, the US Marshals office would take him into custody.

Before 9/11 and the formation of DHS I can't remember who they answer to but since, they are part of the umbrella organization created under Ridge's watch but they will no longer serve to protect him. They would be there to protect Pence who would be the President. If Trump didn't surrender, he would just be a fugitive at that point.

All of this is just a hypothetical scenario though as it is never going to anywhere, impeachment is now a non issue.

Well technically Clinton did get impeached by the house, he was just acquitted by the Senate.

Spot on - the Senate majority is going to increase one way or another in a few months...that is assuming that the Dems even take back the house. They're not going to run on an impeachment agenda for 2020 so Trump is safe until re-elect. Impeachment prospects are dead.

True 'dat!

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The obvious reason for those immunity deals is that SDNY is going after the Trump Foundation for electioneering. The obvious defense for that charge is that the payments to Daniels and McDougal were to protect the image of the Foundation, not just the campaign. Such a defense would be more concrete if other stories were shelved prior to the campaign but even if that's not the case it can still be argued that the campaign is what brought these accusers out of the woodwork thus necessitating the protections provided by the payments...still not a campaign violation.

That being said, such a prosecution would be a HUGE public relations win for the prosecution and that's really what all this "investigation" is about.

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So it is only down to you if you kill your child in the womb? Guess he or she is your property then - only you have the right to kill said child.

So if you have a right of ownership but only you remind me who is the one into slavery again?

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Wow, never in my life have I seen something so ridiculously compared and given such a cold description of as person before they are born as a "Parasite".

So wrong on many levels.

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Once and for all. A foetus is not a child. Until you accept this, you are deliberately trying to conflate self sustaining life, with potential life, in order to force women into remaining pregnant, regardless to their health or mental well being.

I could no more kill a child than any other human. A collection of cells are not a child.

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Technically that is what a foetus is. It may not be a particularly pleasant term, but it is accurate. Why do you think some women have problems with rhesus disease in pregnancy (thankfully very rare these days)?

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By your argument, since we're all merely a collection of cells at some point in our transition from conception to death, we really don't need any protections. After all, we're all going to die anyway so why bother with protections.

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Not sure this thread is best served by going to abortion arguments.

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Reducto ad absurdum. :dozey:

If for no other reason than finite planetary resources, humanity needs birth control and back up for failure.

The more we are able to cure various illnesses and diseases, the fewer children we need to have.

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Sorry, I will unsubscribe. Just one subject I feel very passionate about.

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Why don't you create a new thread? It is a subject that is worth talking about ..

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Not what she is saying at all but I guess you knew that.

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That would keep the mods busy. :D

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Certainly would as it's a very emotive subject for both sides of the discussion.

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And there we go folks...Sierra Club politics, 101. It is disgusting. There really isn't any need, nor desire for a thread to discuss population control. It is repellent.

There are good people on either side of the abortion debate ; the eugenic fanatics are not any part of that, though.

Despicable. I am just going to go back and continue posting about the election issue / Trump and 2016. (Probably take a bath too, after reading that filth).

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I don't think that there is anything necessarily wrong in him seeking dirt on the Clintons (legally speaking), even if it is from a foreign source. The optics however, are terrible.

The problem however, that Don Junior faces is that he may well have already told investigators that it was nothing of the sort...though like his father he tends to tell the truth to those that are likely to get him in trouble. If he told prosecutors the truth, he is fine.

For whatever reason, the Trumps really like running their mouths, and sometimes to the detriment of themselves and everyone involved. Thus far, they have been squeaky clean when talking with investigators. Rudy is doing a good job in keeping Trump away from Mueller...Trump will almost certainly get himself into a mess eventually. Unless he just tells Muller the truth all the way through in which case he will likely be fine - legally speaking anyway.

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I don't think there's a problem with getting "dirt" from any source. Near as I can tell the rule is you can't take "anything of value" from a foreign asset. Well, how does one determine the value of "dirt"? Part of the problem with "dirt" is that sometimes it comes back to bite YOU instead of the intended target. There isn't much value in that.

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This is rather expected because of the fact that the Senate will increase it's Republican majority in a few months time. If the GOP pick up only say a couple seats in November, expect Sessions to stick it out until 2020.

Lindsay Graham was saying that if Sessions would go, all hell would break lose on the Hill:

(This was a while ago though).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7863741.html

Now, Graham says:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/23/o...ons/index.html

(Title is a loaded piece from CNN)

If Trump were to appoint someone else, they would have to go through the same issues on Russia at confirmation...unless they agreed to avoid clamping down on the investigation from Mueller. (Wouldn't matter even if they didn't it is down to Rosenstein).

Now if the nominee were to say no, the larger majority in the Senate would give Graham some scope to vote no, and the nominee still be confirmed. Though at this point, I doubt that he even cares ; he has come round to Trump some, as have most of his detractors. He showed loyalty to Sessions as Sessions was a Senate colleague but even he realizes the bigger picture at large which is getting a high court nominee confirmed.

A President under impeachment cannot pardon himself but it would muddy the waters if one tried to nominate someone to the SC. Got kind of messy when LBJ appointed Abe Fortiss and he was just his chief of staff. Graham understands that RBG could well die soon and that is a fact not to be overlooked.

Rosenstein can still carry on his work, but were Trump to fire him that would warrant and immediate charge of obstruction of justice from Mueller. The Dems would not push it for now but on the off chance they totally mess up 2020 they would likely commence with impeachment proceedings after. (Like Lewinsky after Dole failed in 96 etc).

For now, Trump is totally fine and so long as he sits tight / only fires Sessions he is good as Rosenstein is the one who heads / oversees Mueller's probe. Firing him would be the disaster that Trump needs to avoid.

(Bear in mind btw, Sessions own seat went to a Democrat so that was a likely "salt in wound" moment for Trump...not that it was Sessions fault as he was hatch act barred from even endorsing anyone).

The numbers are razor tight in the Senate and McCain making it through June means that the seat in AZ stays with the GOP through 2020 but now those other contentious races like in AZ (the other seat which Flake is vacating) become all the tighter due to the Roy Moore idiocy.

I said some nasty things about Sessions...for someone as opposed to it as me, I sure ate a bunch of humble pie. He is a good man. If Trump fires him, he has held his head high through this entire spectacle that has gone on at Justice ; he is not a vindictive man either. Which is why, for the sake of his boss (Trump), Sessions has stayed in place this long and taken the crap that he has.

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Typical false leap of logic.

Of the two of us, you are the one who would dictate women's choices. I just believe women should keep the hard won choices and access to contraceptives they have now. Odd how Maternal health in the US is the worst in the developing world.

Stripping women of rights (via odd legislation) is one of the many issues I have with Trump.

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Out of the two, you are the one who would destroy life in the womb. (We can keep this going, if you would like?)

Ahh so abortion is now a form of contraceptive to you now, too?

This is typical of the abortion crowd...start off arguing about logical fallacies, just from abortion to contraception, throw in some straw-men, then beat them up (once you have gotten your facts about the political views of others wrong) and then finish with:

An utter and complete lie.

Not sure why I wasted my chance to use your in-between post not to make another reply (in regards to the actual topic) and avoid the DP merger for consecutive posts. You're useful, in that sense.

(Btw it is not a right that I have as a woman (at least not one that I would exercise, anyway) - but again, if it is my body and my right what is to stop me using my body to kill someone else's child? Or is it that only you have the right to kill your own child as it is "your" body? Ownership much? Remind me who it is who is into slavery again?)

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You need to learn what logical fallacies are.

I will always put the rights of women to choose first. Whether that means protecting them to bring a foetus to term against those who would force them into an abortion. Or defend their right to have an abortion.

Removing choice is slavery.

People who worry more about potential life than America's alarming upward trend in maternal death, get no respect from me.

And on that note (as the Dragons would say), I'm out.

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I'll just leave this here.:D

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Posting in this thread, rather than ‘RIP John McCain’ to avoid derailing that thread.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ng-mccain.html

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Then there is the whole fiasco with the flag being flown at half staff, too. (What a mess of a situation). Trump really is the pettiest, thin skinned guy ever to become President.

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The flag stuff I believe is that traditionally when a sitting Senator dies the flag is kept at half-mast across the capital until the service. The White House has already put it back up to full-mast whilst the other government buildings are keeping to tradition.

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Looks like Trump has changed his mind. Statement released and flag back at half mast.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-to-half-staff This may have been the reason

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/40...o-honor-mccain

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He knew that he would have to back down. Why this man picks fights that he knows will either make him look atrocious or that he will have to turn face on is beyond me.

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Code is that, for the death of a Senator or Congressman, the flag be at half staff for the day of death and the following day. The White House protocol was correct. That being said, exceptions are often made and could easily have been made in this case.

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I figure that Kelly Sadler is happy today...must be great relief for her to know that McCain has actually you know...died.

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I think the challenge was the lack of a formal statement about the Senator (rather than just a tweet offering sympathy to his family) followed by the flag issue (and bearing in mind the abrasive relationship the two had) appeared to follow a pattern of pettiness.

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Trump wasn't going to score any points no matter what he did. The animosity between him and McCain is well known and the animosity between him and the press is epic.

If Trump had gone any farther in his tweet he'd have been branded insincere. My personal take is that in doing "just enough" he probably minimized the fallout he was going to get anyway. The McCain stuff is getting a LOT more attention than it otherwise would have primarily because it gives people who dislike Trump something else to hammer him with. I'm not even much of a Trump fan (though I've been pleasantly surprised at the direction he's gone) but I really am getting sick and tired of the constant badgering and conspiracy theories they push his way. It really is unfair and, from my perspective, reflects poorly on Americans as a whole.

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Nah he could have easily done a 'we often disagreed but I have admiration for his service and life' e.t.c. Although I guess he made it difficult for himself when he said McCain wasn't a war hero cos he was captured. Just a jerk all around really.

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Trump couldn't get away with declaring "Free ice cream Friday" at this point. It literally doesn't matter what comes out of his mouth; half the media, 99% of the Democrats and 40% of the Republicans are going to slam him for something.

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So for the sake of making this point:

Say the couple (even a straight one) went into the bakery and said they wanted a champagne cake. (Apparently such things exist). Or a cake with liquor in it.

The store says no because selling liquor (or even handling it) goes against their religious principles.

The cake doesn't get customized the way that they want. (If that is all that you see this being an issue of).

Do the couple have a case that they have been denied a service? Nope.

Same principle...the first amendment is the first amendment. Simple as that.

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Nah, it was pettiness and spite.

As the report said

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Firstly sorry for the ridiculous delay in making the reply to you. I didn't mean to just disappear from this discussion, so my apologies - though I always remember to return to posts. :)

Umm yes on the latter as far as religious beliefs but it is an absolute that is to the discretion of the religious person, nobody else really gets to dictate what that objection is - your faith is your own.

Yeah and if I am being honest it was some frustration that caused me to use terminology that I know that I shouldn't have.

Some of the time when I know what a term is, I don't use it (like with Damien, I knew that what Kennedy did was to issue a writ of Mandamus - that is when a superior court tells one lower to it that it must follow such a ruling as setting judicial precedent) but I kind of felt like lashing out a bit so I explained to Damien that lower courts will "do as they are told" instead.

I didn't like his objection to Christianity being anything but an absolute...Christian principles are not some kind of negotiating or bargaining chip - our principles are not something that we can or would reconcile with whatever takes someone else's fancy.

In regards to prostituting a single cause above all else, I really don't know what the corresponding term would be, the way that Mandamus is used when discussing administrative and procedural acts. I don't expect you to be well versed in that so I did explain it to Damien, all be it in a condescending way - like I said, I felt like lashing out, some. (Also I know when I am 100% correct, that was one of those instances). I know that I won't know the word I am looking for here in regards to the way that people try take a "pet" issue and make it their one and only cause (is pet a better word for it?) but I know that "whoring" might come off as meaning something totally different.

Again, even with that argument I didn't mind if it deflated the point some, because I knew that I was correct. It was acerbic and distasteful, so I am sorry. I will try be less abrasive in the way that I communicate.

That was the other reason that I didn't bother to post a while. Seeing everything go up in smoke for the leave side, over the EU vote made it easier than saying "I told you so" about May. Almost everyone (other than OB) now universally hates her. What got to me though, was the way that I was formulating the argument in my own head...I saw it as a "see you can never break Christian spirit the way you can just crush nationalism" and I started getting disappointed in myself for beginning to belittle those that disagreed with me. (Like the back of the line stuff etc). I can get along with most people and I got annoyed at myself for thinking "well Christians will never compromise but clearly nationalism can be sold up the river"..so I stopped posting and calmed down a while.

May split the dummy and got her cabinet to agree on Chequers. The ones who have some principle, resigned. Others who don't (like Gove) sold out like 2 dollar....okay I am going to try keep it cleaner. That was easy to predict and obvious to most. However no Christian would ever do the same ; if you are a Christian you are never going to "settle" your conscious to comply with absurd nonsense. (Numerous examples, like the Hobby Lobby case, little sisters of the poor etc) all gave the idea that as Christians we were just going to idly sit by and just part take in very unchristian things I felt like a clear example did need to be shown of someone who does break.

That is not, never has been and never will be Christians...I was just speechless at someone like Damien suggesting that would ever be the case, so I lashed out some.

That was the reason for some of my sultry language. So please accept my apologies.

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Oh dear..... China hacked Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Server during her whole tenure as Secretary of State according to Daily Caller

https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/c...linton-server/

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Let's hope she didn't keep any official documents on it ;)

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There is also a story out today that the FBI may have first leaked stories to the press and then used those stories to obtain FISA warrants.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-warrants.html

If they did this in relation to the Carter Page warrants then it's likely that any evidence obtained from those warrants will be inadmissible in court. That would, for all practical purposes, make the entire Mueller probe a moot point.

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You trust Fox news?

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I trust the congressmen who have seen the unredacted FISA applications.

FISA Abuse occurred under the Obama Administration.

You trust BBC News and post links from it all the time - Not many people trust the BBC, given what they did to Sir Cliff Richard. I do not for various other reasons, so why should I trust the links YOU provide???

We could extend this further to other news outlets - none of them are perfect.

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What a strange tweet.

So Republicans had big wins in Republican Primaries - Republican vs Republican...

They also had big losses - in every Primary, Republicans lost (sometimes more than one...).

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But actual facts don't matter to him.

As weird as his tweet claiming anonymous source stories should be ignored as they are all fake.

Like all his tweets stating some people or many people or I've heard from a reliable source.

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And his son carries on the family tradition...

Except...

No ‘expert’ said a quarter of 4.2% growth "couldn't be done."

It was previously done in 4 different quarters under President Obama, with one difference -

The growth in those four quarters was higher - 4.5%, 4.7%, 4.9%, 5.1%.

Just the facts, ma’am, just the facts...

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More alternative facts from the Trumps.

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Trump has now gone on a further Twitter rant but has written it as if it's an official WH statement

Don't know what to say about that.

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Sigh. Probably best if you and Hugh stop performing the same shit of dissecting every Trump tweet going. This is not what this thread is for. :rolleyes:

This thread is under consideration for closure, we are not having a running commentary on everything Trump says and does over the next 4/8 years. President Obama never had a running commentary thread.

This is no longer a viable discussion topic and has just become a rolling hate blog. This is not a blog site.

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Obama didn't feel the need to tell the world everything he did or thought.

Also last time I checked the title was president Trump. So anything about him goes. It's not off topic.

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No and I am glad Obama didn't because he was a boring and useless president, making red line threats and not crossing them, having a dodgy DOJ that decides to clear one presidential candidate despite lots of evidence of her obvious guilt and go after the other (Trump) with no evidence and even going to so far to fabricate it with the fake Russian dossier, paid for by the corrupted Democrats and Crooked Hillary Clinton, they weaponised the DOJ and they should be held accountable.

I am well aware of what the thread title is, I typed it. It doesn't say anywhere in the topic "The "I hate" President Trump blog."

If I decide to close this thread, that is my prerogative, not only as the thread starter but, you know, being one of the site owners...

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Maybe we could call it 'the Trump Appreciation thread' ? ;)

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:nono: Maybe you should mind your own business. Sticking your nose in to things again that do not concern you.

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The FBI is denying the story from The Daily Caller about Clinton's server being hacked: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-evid...ised-fbi-says/

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But is that not the same on several other political threads on this forum Mick?.

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Not to degree of the Trump thread.

...The direction of the thread is as follows:

Week 1, "Trumps a moron."

Week 2, "Trumps an idiot".

Week 3, "Trump's a imbecile."

Week 4, "He's lying again."

It's not a topic. It's just an ongoing hate blog - this is not a blog site.

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How would they know when they have repeatedly stated they did not examine it ?

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Where did they say that?

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Comey.

Former FBI Director, James Comey said the agency never got access to the machines (Servers) themselves, so how would they realistically and conclusively know?

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You mean the DNC servers I think?

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All of them - Her server is suppose to be missing, and or got smashed up along with her Blackberry's and other devices. Basically evidence was destroyed, so how does the FBI know ?

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I believe they must have had access to her server to recover the 'wiped' e-mails?

It was reported back in 2015 that the server was handed over: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...0QH01D20150812

Either way though if they didn't access it then where did the story from The Daily Caller come from that said the Chinese hacked it?

Also the Clinton Server and the DNC servers are separate things. Where did the FBI say they didn't get the Clinton private server?

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You could say the same about the Corbyn thread ...

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They had it in 2015 - this article is from 3 years ago, from a non-political IT focused security site.

https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/int...-server-i-2839

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Yes. That's an interesting denial too. While they're emphatic about not having found anything they're much more circumspect with regard to whether they actually looked for such evidence.

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That’s a strange assertion - it’s rare to say you haven’t found any evidence of something if you actually haven’t looked for something.

A previous statement from the FBI computer forensics specialist stated
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...cked-by-china/

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I note you left out the previous paragraph in that article.

Specifically this part.
This would prove Mick's assertion that servers/devices were destroyed would it not?

Cherry picking just the parts that suit your agenda does you no favours Hugh.

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But disposal of obsolete servers happens all the time in IT - they have a (usually) 3-5 year life span, then they can be sold off for charity after the disks are wiped, or the hard disks are removed and destroyed.

This is normal practice, not something unusual (speaking from having run IT Infrastructure departments for over 20 years) - most businesses have a rolling refresh program.

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But that can’t be the server the Daily Caller is referencing since their own article alleges that they found evidence on the server

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I was replying to Hugh, not the Daily Caller. I haven't read that article but I had read the one Hugh quoted and knew he was "cherry picking".

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The pathetic corrupted Democrats in California suggested to boycott “In out” burger restaurants in protest at them donating to the GOP. $25,000. (They have also donated to the DNC, I guess no longer though).

Backfired massively after queues of people were seen trying to eat at the restaurant yesterday.

This is all the pathetic Democrats Stand for, only no one is listening!

http://uk.businessinsider.com/in-n-o...18-8?r=US&IR=T

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They should boycott them anyway, burgers give you cancer and Americans are too fat.

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Any substantiated proof that burgers give you cancer Mr K?.

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A lot Den, google processed meat and cancer. Us veggies (me and Mick) will inherit the earth ;)

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A balanced nutritional diet can include the occasional bit of processed meat and that advice is not from me but from a dietician.;)

Not sure you and Mick will inherit the earth together as you are both likely to be on opposing sides with sticks and stones at your disposal.;)

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Not sure about sticks and stones but we'll have plenty to talk about :)

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Red Meat is listed as a ‘probable’ carcinogen by the World Health Organisation. It’s the second highest category.

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:D:D:D