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pip08456 05-04-2019 16:55
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35990154)
In Chinese culture 8 is a lucky number.


I can see the speaker shouting order order and the reply being a pint of old speckled todger please.
Careful papa Old Speckled Hen should not be disrespected. We could fall out on that!:D:D

ianch99 05-04-2019 19:34
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35990158)
One of my adopted sisters is of Chinese descent ,so i wouldn't say that.

my only worry is the influx of unskilled labor into the UK taking all the unskilled jobs .
"all the unskilled jobs" ? Or maybe the ones that the Brits won't do?

Sephiroth 05-04-2019 22:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990042)
Poor show from UKIP, despite a high profile candidate.
What -you mean the cash-for-questions ex-MP?

Hugh 06-04-2019 09:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35990223)
What -you mean the cash-for-questions ex-MP?
Yes, the one who lost the 4th safest Conservative seat in the country in 1997.

Sephiroth 06-04-2019 09:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35990230)
Yes, the one who lost the 4th safest Conservative seat in the country in 1997.
Just goes to show some of the trash that went to UKIP.

1andrew1 06-04-2019 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35990168)
Careful papa Old Speckled Hen should not be disrespected. We could fall out on that!:D:D
A decent pint, indeed, Pip. :)

Sephiroth 06-04-2019 11:10
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35990234)
A decent pint, indeed, Pip. :)
Ugh. Reminds me of Neil Hamilton.

pip08456 06-04-2019 13:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35990235)
Ugh. Reminds me of Neil Hamilton.
You a lager lout Seph?:D:D:D

Sephiroth 06-04-2019 13:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35990247)
You a lager lout Seph?:D:D:D
Au contraire. Try Cosmo or Swedish malt whisky.

Hugh 06-04-2019 13:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35990248)
Au contraire. Try Cosmo or Swedish malt whisky.
Have to admit, I’m partial to Mackmyra myself - you tried any of the Japanese malts?; they’re very more-ish...

pip08456 06-04-2019 13:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35990248)
Au contraire. Try Cosmo or Swedish malt whisky.
I like a drop (or 2) of malt myself.;)

1andrew1 06-04-2019 15:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35990247)
You a lager lout Seph?:D:D:D
Can't see Seph drinking that Eurofizz. :D

Sephiroth 06-04-2019 16:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35990249)
Have to admit, I’m partial to Mackmyra myself - you tried any of the Japanese malts?; they’re very more-ish...
Good man. I have Box as well as Mackmyra and that is smooth. Haven’t tried Japanese yet - the Swedish whisky is sent to me gratis each year.

Any government or post-election person who has a serious cough, one that goes on for weeks could do worse than this:

1. Boil some whisky in the microwave then pour it into a cup.

2. Add honey if desired.

3. Raise cup to mouth and inhale the fumes (unavoidable).

4. Cough your guts up then drink the potion.

5. Cough gone by next morning.

Chris 06-04-2019 17:22
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As above, except I’d say gently heat and avoid boiling, or a lot of the alcohol will be gone in double quick time.

Definitely get it steaming though, and be sure to inhale deeply :D

jfman 07-04-2019 14:21
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The tell that Labour are up in the polls is antisemitism in the news.

denphone 07-04-2019 20:07
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Conservatives prepare for council elections backlash and heavy losses.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...rn-theresa-may

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-ukip-returns/

OLD BOY 08-04-2019 07:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35990398)
Conservatives prepare for council elections backlash and heavy losses.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...rn-theresa-may

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-ukip-returns/
Yes, it's strange that so many Brexiteers want to punish the Conservatives, when it is the PM who is trying to achieve Brexit against the will of the majority of Parliament.

People can criticise May's deal as much as they want, but Parliament has voted down every single alternative to it so far, including no deal at all.

denphone 08-04-2019 07:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990424)
Yes, it's strange that so many Brexiteers want to punish the Conservatives, when it is the PM who is trying to achieve Brexit against the will of the majority of Parliament.

People can criticise May's deal as much as they want, but Parliament has voted down every single alternative to it so far, including no deal at all.
Its not totally all about Brexit OB as there are many reasons as to why voters vote for a certain candidate come polling day as they are far more intelligent then you make out at the end of the day.

Hugh 08-04-2019 08:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990424)
Yes, it's strange that so many Brexiteers want to punish the Conservatives, when it is the PM who is trying to achieve Brexit against the will of the majority of Parliament.

People can criticise May's deal as much as they want, but Parliament has voted down every single alternative to it so far, including no deal at all.
Maybe because she, and the Conservative Government, had 2 years to do this, and only delivered something, without discussion or consensus, 3 months before the delivery date that she, and they, set.

jfman 08-04-2019 08:20
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And of course we have the Brexiteers who say it isn’t really Brexit at all.

Maggy 08-04-2019 08:37
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Ahem! This is not the Brexit discussion thread..It's about everything else pertaining to politics after the election and there are lots of other issues to discuss here.

Mr K 08-04-2019 09:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990424)
Yes, it's strange that so many Brexiteers want to punish the Conservatives, when it is the PM who is trying to achieve Brexit against the will of the majority of Parliament.

People can criticise May's deal as much as they want, but Parliament has voted down every single alternative to it so far, including no deal at all.
All about pot holes, bins and the latest planning applications in local elections OB ! However putting your name to the party in charge of the national farce atm won't help.

OLD BOY 08-04-2019 18:38
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35990440)
All about pot holes, bins and the latest planning applications in local elections OB ! However putting your name to the party in charge of the national farce atm won't help.
It's just not true, though. Councillors canvassing up and down the country are now facing a hostile public just because of Brexit, even though that is not the remit of local authorities.

Like it or not, it is Brexit that is dominating politics at present. It is changing people's perception of the parties, not always in a rational way.

jfman 08-04-2019 19:07
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I don't know how you can describe it as irrational. If you promise unicorns and someone can see you coming over the hill with a donkey then they'll rightly be annoyed.

Further, the resources wasted in acquiring said donkey is time, money and effort that could be put into local services.

Carth 08-04-2019 19:14
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As in almost every case, the people at the top screw up and their minions take the flak.

The world goes round and round . .

1andrew1 08-04-2019 21:32
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Boris hasn't come off too well today. Won't raise his leadership prospects and does give the impression that rules are for the little guy and not someone of his standing and education.
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Boris Johnson has been put on notice by a House of Commons watchdog after breaching parliamentary rules for the second time in little more than four months.
A failure to declare a 20% stake in a Somerset property has seen the ex-foreign secretary apologise again for neglecting to register his financial interests with Commons authorities on time.
A report by the House of Commons committee on standards, published on Monday, expressed concern at Mr Johnson's "pattern of behaviour".
Although the committee noted there is "no suggestion that he has at any time tried deliberately to conceal the extent of his interests", it reiterated the view that Mr Johnson has displayed "an over-casual attitude" to following Commons rules.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...rests-11687990

Hugh 08-04-2019 22:31
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35990555)
Boris hasn't come off too well today. Won't raise his leadership prospects and does give the impression that rules are for the little guy and not someone of his standing and education.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...rests-11687990
Not changed much from when he was at school, then?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzIddMcW...jpg&name=small

Maggy 08-04-2019 23:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990535)
It's just not true, though. Councillors canvassing up and down the country are now facing a hostile public just because of Brexit, even though that is not the remit of local authorities.

Like it or not, it is Brexit that is dominating politics at present. It is changing people's perception of the parties, not always in a rational way.
kindly keep to the topic of this thread which is not Brexit.

denphone 10-04-2019 16:20
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Damning report lays bare the plummeting support for the Conservatives among young people.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ck-arse-tories

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And it said older Brits who vote Conservative out of habit will not be replaced by younger people as they grow up - leaving a “massive ticking time bomb” waiting to hit the party at the ballot box.
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Mr Hancock warned the Conservatives would be "finished" if the party continued to obsess about Brexit.
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It concluded that the Conservatives must tack closer to the centre ground on the economy and social issues, make young people materially better off and boost support among BME people and women.

jfman 10-04-2019 16:55
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Ah but there’s a steady supply of old people coming through ;)

tweetiepooh 11-04-2019 10:02
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Young people are normally concerned about equality and justice, then they grow up, get married buy houses, cars, stuff and become haves. At that point they look to those who want to protect their lifestyles even if they are also concerned about equality and justice.

Hugh 11-04-2019 10:20
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35990853)
Young people are normally concerned about equality and justice, then they grow up, get married buy houses, cars, stuff and become haves. At that point they look to those who want to protect their lifestyles even if they are also concerned about equality and justice.
Not necessarily true - if that were true, how did Labour get in for three terms.

It’s a balancing act - doesn’t need to be one or the other.

denphone 11-04-2019 10:25
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35990856)
Not necessarily true - if that were true, how did Labour get in for three terms.

It’s a balancing act - doesn’t need to be one or the other.
Exactly a political party needs to think about all demographics and not just those where who they can bribe easily to vote for them.

Carth 11-04-2019 14:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990779)
Ah but there’s a steady supply of old people coming through ;)


oh . . . I thought it was mentioned we were all dying off after 2016 ;)

denphone 11-04-2019 14:54
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35990894)
oh . . . I thought it was mentioned we were all dying off after 2016 ;)
Hang on as some of us don't intend to pop our clogs yet.;)

Hugh 11-04-2019 15:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35990894)
oh . . . I thought it was mentioned we were all dying off after 2016 ;)
They say you can’t take it with you - I’m not going...

TheDaddy 11-04-2019 19:05
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35990896)
Hang on as some of us don't intend to pop our clogs yet.;)
Coffin dodger....

OLD BOY 11-04-2019 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35990896)
Hang on as some of us don't intend to pop our clogs yet.;)
We're not allowed to expire until the middle aged ones finally convert to our way of thinking!

denphone 11-04-2019 19:20
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35990925)
Coffin dodger....
:p:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990927)
We're not allowed to expire until the middle aged ones finally convert to our way of thinking!
Being your true self can only come from separating your thinking from the crowd mentality.;)

RichardCoulter 12-04-2019 14:51
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The Crowd.

No one knows how large it is,
Nor what opposition it is,
Until one steps out if it.

Mr K 12-04-2019 15:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35991013)
The Crowd.

No one knows how large it is,
Nor what opposition it is,
Until one steps out if it.
Bit like Accrington Stanley FC? ;)

denphone 27-04-2019 17:46
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latest opinion polls done by OpiniumResearch.

http://britainelects.com/

Quote:
European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 28% (+16)
LAB: 28% (-1)
CON: 14% (-3)
LDEM: 7% (-3)
CHUK: 7% (+3)
GRN: 6% (-)
UKIP: 3% (-10)
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Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 33% (-3)
CON: 26% (-3)
BREX: 17% (+17)
LDEM: 6% (-2)
CHUK: 4% (+4)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (-7)

denphone 29-04-2019 07:13
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The Conservatives can expect to lose 800 or more seats at the local elections this week according to a Tory peer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-says-analyst

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In his latest projection for Thursday’s polls, in which more than 8,000 council seats in England are being contested, the Tory peer Robert Hayward suggested his party could lose about 500 to the Liberal Democrats, and 300 to Labour.
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He blamed his party’s failure to assemble a majority for the prime minister’s withdrawal agreement for his gloomy forecast, and predicted turnout would be unusually low because of “disenchantment” with all the major parties.

Maggy 29-04-2019 08:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35992629)
The Conservatives can expect to lose 800 or more seats at the local elections this week according to a Tory peer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-says-analyst
All the more reason to get out and vote in that case.

denphone 29-04-2019 08:51
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35992638)
All the more reason to get out and vote in that case.
Indeed there are no excuses for not voting as we have already done ours by postal vote.

pip08456 29-04-2019 09:30
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35992641)
Indeed there are no excuses for not voting as we have already done ours by postal vote.
Really? How about there is no-one on the ballot paper whose policies I agree with?

denphone 29-04-2019 09:38
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992649)
Really? How about there is no-one on the ballot paper whose policies I agree with?
You vote for the best of of a bad bunch then if that is how you feel pip.

Mr K 29-04-2019 10:19
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35992652)
You vote for the best of of a bad bunch then if that is how you feel pip.
Or stand for election yourself !

I've just about ruled everybody out apart from the Greens. As the EU elections have a more fair PR system it's not a wasted.vote.

tweetiepooh 29-04-2019 10:22
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I'd still just vote for one candidate, PR is a daft system but that's all been covered before.

denphone 29-04-2019 11:09
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Damian Green suggests modelling social care provision on state pension.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-state-pension

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Social care provision should be modelled on the state pension, with taxpayers funding a flat-rate “universal care entitlement”, which patients could supplement from their own funds, according to former Conservative cabinet minister Damian Green.
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Under the plans, some patients could also buy an insurance-style “care supplement”, to fund a higher standard of provision, perhaps by releasing part of the value of their property.
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But the government has repeatedly delayed publishing a long-promised green paper on a new long-term funding model, fearing a backlash such as that following the announcement in the party’s 2017 general election manifesto of what became known as the “dementia tax”.

Hugh 29-04-2019 16:33
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The Times had an article about it as well - they sound like reasonable propositions to me.

There is a growing need, and it will need to be paid for.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...6522591b6d45fb
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In a report for the Centre for Policy Studies think tank, Mr Green calculated that introducing a free entitlement to basic care at home or in a residential home would cost about £2.5 billion extra a year.

To pay for this he suggested that the winter fuel allowance, a tax-free payment of between £100 and £300, be withdrawn from pensioners who pay higher rate income tax. This would raise about £350 million a year. The rest could be funded with extra money from the Treasury’s spending review or, in the longer term, by imposing an additional national insurance rate of 1 per cent on the over-50s. This would mean that older taxpayers paid an extra £308 a year and would raise £2.4 billion.

The report suggested that a standard entitlement to universal social care would include a set number of hours of care at home per week or a bed in a care home with a minimum level of service, with people able to make top-up payments for extra services.

Damien 29-04-2019 16:59
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To pay for this he suggested that the winter fuel allowance, a tax-free payment of between £100 and £300, be withdrawn from pensioners who pay higher rate income tax. This would raise about £350 million a year. The rest could be funded with extra money from the Treasury’s spending review or, in the longer term, by imposing an additional national insurance rate of 1 per cent on the over-50s. This would mean that older taxpayers paid an extra £308 a year and would raise £2.4 billion.
Never going to happen.

They'll increase it on the under 40s most likely.

denphone 29-04-2019 17:04
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992713)
Never going to happen.

They'll increase it on the under 40s most likely.
They are reasonable proposals but personally l would be surprised if they happen as l can see the government just kicking the can further down the road as usual.

papa smurf 29-04-2019 17:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992712)
The Times had an article about it as well - they sound like reasonable propositions to me.

There is a growing need, and it will need to be paid for.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...6522591b6d45fb

It's a great way to get all the over 50's Conservative voters to vote for another party .

denphone 29-04-2019 18:28
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992725)
It's a great way to get all the over 50's Conservative voters to vote for another party .
Given the omnishambles of the last 3 years they might already have decided they are going to do that.

Hugh 29-04-2019 18:39
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992725)
It's a great way to get all the over 50's Conservative voters to vote for another party .
Not if they're fiscally sensible - this will save them having to sell their homes to pay for care.

If they can't work that out, more fool them.

People are living longer, this costs the country more, the only money Government has comes from taxes (mostly), so if more is being paid out, more needs to be collected.

richard s 29-04-2019 19:31
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Stuff Damian Green... I have paid into the system for over 47 years. Lets get more Tax out of Amazon and companies like them to pay into the coffers.

Hugh 29-04-2019 20:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992729)
Not if they're fiscally sensible - this will save them having to sell their homes to pay for care.

If they can't work that out, more fool them.

People are living longer, this costs the country more, the only money Government has comes from taxes (mostly), so if more is being paid out, more needs to be collected.
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35992735)
Stuff Damian Green... I have paid into the system for over 47 years. Lets get more Tax out of Amazon and companies like them to pay into the coffers.
There rests the case for the Defence, M'lud...

OLD BOY 29-04-2019 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992713)
Never going to happen.

They'll increase it on the under 40s most likely.
Damien Green is a prominent Conservative MP, reporting to a Conservative Government.

As the government knows that it must tackle the problem of elder care, there is no way they are going to ignore this.

It sounds doable to me if the figures add up as he suggests.

Hugh 29-04-2019 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992749)
Damien Green is a prominent Conservative MP, reporting to a Conservative Government.

As the government knows that it must tackle the problem of elder care, there is no way they are going to ignore this.

It sounds doable to me if the figures add up as he suggests.
It's like pensions - people have to take some personal responsibility...

heero_yuy 30-04-2019 09:36
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Quote:
Quote from The Sun:


Theresa May has become the first Tory leader in 185 years to face an emergency grassroots vote to oust her.

The PM is to be hauled in front of a snap meeting all 800 constituency chairmen and senior activists in June, who will decide whether to demand her resignation for failing to deliver Brexit.



Mrs May was last night informed that the threshold for a petition to enforce the extraordinary meeting has been passed.

The development is another bitter blow to the embattled Tory leader, who only just fended off a fresh bid last week by Brexiteer Tory MPs to remove her.

It is the first time in the Conservative Party’s 185 year history that rank and file activists have forced an Emergency General Meeting to discuss the party’s leadership.
Seeing as the MP's bottled it looks like the grassroots are rebelling.

Hugh 30-04-2019 09:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35992785)
Seeing as the MP's bottled it looks like the grassroots are rebelling.
They can rebel all they want, but they can’t get rid of her...

A leadership contest can be triggered in two ways: If 15% of Conservative MPs write to the Chairman of the 1922 Committee saying they no longer have confidence in the leader of the Conservative Party*, or if the current leader resigns.

*and that can only be done once every 12 months, and it took place 4 months ago

papa smurf 30-04-2019 09:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992786)
They can rebel all they want, but they can’t get rid of her...

A leadership contest can be triggered in two ways: If 15% of Conservative MPs write to the Chairman of the 1922 Committee saying they no longer have confidence in the leader of the Conservative Party*, or if the current leader resigns.

*and that can only be done once every 12 months, and it took place 4 months ago
But they didn't know what they were triggering, but now they have more information they deserve a second vote or even a third until the right outcome is achieved, that's how the newly defined model of democracy works ,isn't it ?

Damien 30-04-2019 10:09
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Yup the Tories are pretty good at restricting their membership from influencing the leadership, I bet the Parliamentary Labour Party wish they had that!

Besides it's the correct system. The membership is like 125,000 people. So few people should not have the influence to unseat the PM.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992790)
But they didn't know what they were triggering, but now they have more information they deserve a second vote or even a third until the right outcome is achieved, that's how the newly defined model of democracy works ,isn't it ?
Yup. The power of the confidence vote only lasts 12 months so they'll get a second vote at the end of the year. At which point she'll probably go.

papa smurf 30-04-2019 10:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992793)
Yup the Tories are pretty good at restricting their membership from influencing the leadership, I bet the Parliamentary Labour Party wish they had that!

Besides it's the correct system. The membership is like 125,000 people. So few people should not have the influence to unseat the PM.

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Yup. The power of the confidence vote only lasts 12 months so they'll get a second vote at the end of the year. At which point she'll probably go.
Until they change the rules ;)

Damien 30-04-2019 10:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992795)
Unless they change the rules ;)
Yeah they can do that. It's all internal Tory rules so they can do whatever they want really.

papa smurf 30-04-2019 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992796)
Yeah they can do that. It's all internal Tory rules so they can do whatever they want really.
I think they will find a way to oust her ,she's killing the party off.

Hugh 30-04-2019 16:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992797)
I think they will find a way to oust her ,she's killing the party off.
I think it's a combined effort from Gove, Grayling, Rees-Mogg, Davis, Fox, BoJo, Francois, et al - she's not doing it on her own...

Mick 01-05-2019 09:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992837)
I think it's a combined effort from Gove, Grayling, Rees-Mogg, Davis, Fox, BoJo, Francois, et al - she's not doing it on her own...
Oh yes she is.

We all know Hugh, you got issues with the above, given you actually joked not that long ago, about that they all should be assassinated.:dozey: :rolleyes:

Hugh 01-05-2019 09:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35992884)
Oh yes she is.

We all know Hugh, you got issues with the above, given you actually joked not that long ago, about that they all should be assassinated.:dozey: :rolleyes:
I have issues with people who would ruin the country for their own ends, yes - I already apologised for that bad taste joke.

Mick 01-05-2019 10:58
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992897)
I have issues with people who would ruin the country for their own ends, yes - I already apologised for that bad taste joke.
We are ruining the country, staying in a corrupted and con job union, that we can totally prosper outside of it and a totally independent country, but that is not for this thread.

1andrew1 01-05-2019 12:17
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35992903)
We are ruining the country, staying in a corrupted and con job union, that we can totally prosper outside of it and a totally independent country, but that is not for this thread.
Yet another person advocating England leaves the UK. :D

Mick 01-05-2019 12:20
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992918)
Yet another person advocating England leaves the UK. :D
You mispelt EU. ;)

ianch99 01-05-2019 17:56
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Oops:

Gavin Williamson sacked as defence secretary for Huawei leak

Mr K 01-05-2019 17:59
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992940)
Surely he should be prosecuted. Bet a member of MOD staff who blabbed secrets would be.

denphone 01-05-2019 18:17
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992940)
One incompetent fool after another...

papa smurf 01-05-2019 19:49
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35992944)
One incompetent fool after another...
He says he didn't do it

https://twitter.com/GavinWilliamson/...uawei-11708815

Mr K 01-05-2019 19:53
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992965)
Well there's a surprise ! He's finished and facing prosecution, admit it and he's going down...

papa smurf 01-05-2019 20:00
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992967)
Well there's a surprise ! He's finished and facing prosecution, admit it and he's going down...
I don't believe in trial by media ,let's await the facts.

Mr K 01-05-2019 20:03
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992968)
I don't believe in trial by media ,let's await the facts.
There's been an inquiry, not by the media.

denphone 01-05-2019 20:24
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Penny Mordaunt appointed defence secretary.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...08f8a8c7947158

Damien 01-05-2019 20:53
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Once again I've been overlooked.

Now people will say 'it's because you're not qualified' or 'you're not an MP' and 'who are you?' but we all know the real reason.

TheDaddy 01-05-2019 20:56
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992979)
Once again I've been overlooked.

Now people will say 'it's because you're not qualified' or 'you're not an MP' and 'who are you?' but we all know the real reason.
Is it because you're black...

pip08456 01-05-2019 21:13
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992969)
There's been an inquiry, not by the media.
Nor by the police which Williamson wants.

Mr K 01-05-2019 21:22
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992985)
Nor by the police which Williamson wants.
Well he may get his wish.

Doubt he did the dirty deed himself he'll have told one of his political advisers to do it. Still makes him guilty. Political gain ahead of National Security. Sums this Govt up, backstabbing each other at the expense of the Country.
Not so much like 'The Thick of It', just a Thick Idiot.

1andrew1 02-05-2019 00:07
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992987)
Well he may get his wish.

Doubt he did the dirty deed himself he'll have told one of his political advisers to do it. Still makes him guilty. Political gain ahead of National Security. Sums this Govt up, backstabbing each other at the expense of the Country.
Not so much like 'The Thick of It', just a Thick Idiot.
Nailed it! :D
He was always out of his depth in that role so was an inadvertent threat to national security. So am pleased he's now away from a position of responsibility.

I thought this was quite interesting from Theresa May's statement:
Quote:
"That is why I commissioned the cabinet secretary to establish an investigation into the unprecedented leak from the NSC meeting last week, and why I expected everyone connected to it - ministers and officials alike - to comply with it fully. You undertook to do so.

"I am therefore concerned by the manner in which you have engaged with this investigation."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992979)
Once again I've been overlooked.

Now people will say 'it's because you're not qualified' or 'you're not an MP' and 'who are you?' but we all know the real reason.
Is it because you associate with the wrong types on social media? ;)

Mick 02-05-2019 07:42
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992969)
There's been an inquiry, not by the media.
Whoever did leak, did right thing to bring the Huawei deal we’ve supposedly done in to public domain, who can honestly sit here and be comfortable with the concept of a private Chinese company, in which China’s government has its hand in, setting up the future 5G network in this country?

It’s like asking Russia to provide us with a super fast email service.

denphone 02-05-2019 08:02
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993018)
Whoever did leak, did right thing to bring the Huawei deal we’ve supposedly done in to public domain, who can honestly sit here and be comfortable with the concept of a private Chinese company, in which China’s government has its hand in, setting up the future 5G network in this country?

It’s like asking Russia to provide us with a super fast email service.
l certainly would not be comfortable over that but nothing surprises me as l suspect governments now and in the past have had their tentacles in many other things without the public having any knowledge of it at all until someone leaks.

1andrew1 02-05-2019 08:51
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993018)
Whoever did leak, did right thing to bring the Huawei deal we’ve supposedly done in to public domain, who can honestly sit here and be comfortable with the concept of a private Chinese company, in which China’s government has its hand in, setting up the future 5G network in this country?

It’s like asking Russia to provide us with a super fast email service.
There's no deal to be leaked, Mick. Huawei is a potential 5G supplier to mobile networks like O2. The report leaked was a confidential risk assessment that supported the careful use of Huawei technology.as is done at the moment with 3G, 4G and broadband.

Hugh 02-05-2019 12:24
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Has anyone worked out what we call Gavin Williamson now?

'Disgraced Former Secretary of Defence' is a position still occupied by Disgraced Former Secretary of Defence Liam Fox...

papa smurf 02-05-2019 12:40
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993053)
Has anyone worked out what we call Gavin Williamson now?

'Disgraced Former Secretary of Defence' is a position still occupied by Disgraced Former Secretary of Defence Liam Fox...
I would call him innocent until proven guilty.

heero_yuy 02-05-2019 13:25
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Indeed. Unless we have a full police investigation then May's allegation remains just that.

Perhaps the "unequivical evidence" is not as watertight as is being made out.

Mick 02-05-2019 13:36
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993053)
Has anyone worked out what we call Gavin Williamson now?

'Disgraced Former Secretary of Defence' is a position still occupied by Disgraced Former Secretary of Defence Liam Fox...
We call him Gavin Williamson. I’d love to know what this playground obsession you seem to have of wanting to change people’s names/titles all the time? :shrug:

nashville 02-05-2019 13:48
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Shut down the House of Lords and they will save money, They get paid to sit and sleep,

papa smurf 02-05-2019 13:50
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 35993093)
Shut down the House of Lords and they will save money, They get paid to sit and sleep,
I think some of them are dead and no one has noticed.

Hugh 02-05-2019 15:02
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993090)
We call him Gavin Williamson. I’d love to know what this playground obsession you seem to have of wanting to change people’s names/titles all the time? :shrug:
Trying to bring a little light humour to the thread...

Angua 02-05-2019 15:20
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35992976)
Penny Mordaunt appointed defence secretary.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...08f8a8c7947158
Ah yes, part time naval reservist and former magicians assistant. Must make her highly suited, though I am unsure as to why.

pip08456 02-05-2019 15:24
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993112)
Trying to bring a little light humour to the thread...
Yet another epic failure then.

denphone 02-05-2019 15:31
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35993120)
Ah yes, part time naval reservist and former magicians assistant. Must make her highly suited, though I am unsure as to why.
You would have thought governments would appoints someone with a proper all round knowledge and experience of the military.

Mick 02-05-2019 15:57
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993112)
Trying to bring a little light humour to the thread...
Fair do's.


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