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They are, the legislation aims to curb many different kinds of inappropriate internet activity.

I don't think that banning adults from speaking to children would be workable as many adults legitimately speak to child members of their family.

AIUI, it will be more about forcing websites to quickly pass on the details that they hold about people.

At the moment, some drag their feet or even refuse outright until they are ordered to by the judiciary.

I was speaking to a policeman this morning and he said that some often cite free speech as a reason and we both agreed that this was an excuse. They're more interested in traffic to increase revenue than they are from protecting individuals from trolls, paedophiles etc.

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I'm more interested in how you spoke to a policeman at 5am in the morning.

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The police don't close for the night!!!

But I actually meant Monday morning, it was still Monday to me as I hadn't yet gone to bed!

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My local police station closes at 5pm, and they lock the doors 24-7 as there is no one on reception.

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Same here, they have just closed the last walk in center. You have to do everything via the phone or internet. Only time i see a copper is if they have a speed camera in there hands on a road.

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You have a police station? Our village station closed in the 80s,the local town station closed in the 90s and moved into the Town Hall.Now we have to go to the next town over.

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So many police stations closed down and moved to town halls. My local station is in a town hall that closes at the same time as the rest of the building too. It does have a phone outside which I assume you can use to call night staff but I doubt its very helpful and probably just to tell you to call back in the morning or dial 999 or whatever.

The problem with 'think of the children' is it is used as a way to start the first step towards the real stuff they want to do. GCHQ are trying to use that angle to get around encryption at the moment by suggesting chat programs pre-scan chats on the client end because of child predators, when everyone knows they just want to spy on everything everyone does and encryption gets in the way of that.

We had mission creep with website blocking which was only ever going to be used to block bad kiddy sites but is now used to block sites by very rich media and watch companies etc.

That Alex Jones guy from infowars spouted a lot of crap and got kicked off the net without any real due legal action. Yet a few things he was saying was true and he mentioned about sex trafficking happening on an island by rich people before Epstein was caught. So a site giving information about that was censored despite it warning people of it.

People were DDoSing and hacking some arabic sites where terrorists were believed to be chatting or grooming people but the security services wanted the sites up and running so they could see what was being said and make links between things. Better for the site to be up and uncensored in this case.

Censorship is always a bad trail to go down imo and laws forcing it are never going to fully do what people bringing them intend them to do either.

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If someone asks me if I dislike them, and why, then I'll tell them.

I dont know anyone who randomly walks up to someone they dislike and says "Hey, I dont like you, because ......<whatever>"

(But again, I see no reason they cannot do so, if they really want to, you cannot try and force anyone to like anyone else).

Again seem to confuse a handful of large social media sites with the vast majority of sites.
Facebook, Twitter etc are a small fraction of the total sites, which this proposed law wants to cover.
As I said before, its not a hammer to crack a nut, its a stonking big pile driver to crack a very small nut.

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I thought this was going to be the start of a Four Yorkshiremen skit .. "luxury!"

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Forums can be more akin to people expressing their views to some people with other people listening or overhearing what has been said. If they don't like what was said they can confront it/debate it with the person or ignore it, much like they could on the street.

Censoring posts means no one else can hear what was said. It was still said and some still heard it probably.

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I have some sympathy with what you say, so it's a shame that the website owners didn't co-operate with the voluntary code of conduct that was tried first.

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Well, our thoughts are private to others (on this Earth anyway) so, unless this view is expressed, nobody else would know.

Anyone coming out and telling somebody that they didn't like them because they were black, disabled, gay etc would be committing an offence.

Some just like to harass/upset/annoy people in protected groups and think that if they stay clear of mentioning certain subjects or using certain terminology that they will get away with it.

The police/courts aren't daft and they look at everything holistically, particularly if the person has requested no further contact from them. This forms part of my current complaint to the police about an individual on Facebook.

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What happens when you harass/upset/annoy people in non protected groups?

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No idea as that doesn't apply to my current situation, so my solicitor didn't/wouldn't mention anything about that.

Anyone having any trouble is advised to hire the services of a qualied solicitor rather than asking questions about legal matters on a forum.

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It's still a direct question to you. You seem very vocal on the matter of harassment and the like.

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You're such an <removed> person. Always on the look out for something to complain about or take legal action against. You need to take a good long hard look at yourself because you're never going to be happy or be accepted the way you are.

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I find harrassment abhorrent and will not tolerate it to myself or others- I am indeed very vocal about it.

It's never wise to ask people who are not legally trained for legal advice/opinions, it's always sensible to consult and pay for a professional if you need advice of a legal nature.

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You don't get it do you. You've annoyed plenty of people in here and threatened legal action for something that didn't happen, yet you're so vocal on your rights and rights of protected groups. What I want to know from you is where non protected groups stand from such accusations and annoyance from people like you? We're all one aren't we?

I'm not asking for legal advice, I want your opinion.

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Treading carefully...lets throw some autism in to the mix. Some people with autism, through no fault of their own, can rub people up the wrong way. Or they say things that offend without meaning too. Some neurotypicals are able to take onboard the reasons for this, others are unable to or simply don't understand the reasons. Such a person may dislike the autistic person because of how the autism makes them act. Should it be a crime to give that honest opinion that they don't like someone because of the autism instead of just thinking it?

On the other side of the fence, someone with autism might get offended by a joke that was not intended to be malicious and just light hearted banter.

It is very hard on the internet to tell if anyone has any disability, mental health issues or something going on in their life that would cause them to be sensitive to things otherwise seen as benign. Add on top there are always clashes of personalities between people without any notable issues and people often take things the wrong way.

Trying to police that with new laws or legal action is not a good thing.

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You make some very good points. I think the way to deal with this is for people to voluntarily make any issues known, as I have done, so that any difficulties can be acknowledged and taken into account. People cannot make allowances if they are not informed of a person's difficulties/limitations and, once they are, they are legally obliged to take them into account.

I remember one member who had dyslexia became fed up of people picking him up about spelling mistakes, so he explained his difficulties on his tagline.

Some forums disallow posts about spelling mistakes for this very reason.

I once saw a programme about a guy with tourettes syndrome, which resulted in him having verbal ticks. He went into a shop where a black woman worked and started swearing and using racist language.

She knew him and his condition from previous experiences and took it in her stride without becoming offended as she knew he couldn't help it and didn't mean it.

I was very impressed with her professional and understanding attitude and hoped that her employer took note of this.

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That poor guy, if in a discord chat for example, could fall foul of this new internet troll law if someone unaware reported him as racist. Its hard enough for moderators to decide whether to ban someone based on his condition which could be seen as discrimination too. Moderators have it hard enough with those kind of decisions already. They don't need more complications on top imo.

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This is why I think it essential for people to declare any difficulties that they have to prevent any misunderstanding further down the line, though I think it should ultimately be for the disabled person to decide whether to self declare or not.

I think that there will need to be a lot of training/retraining if moderators are to stay on the right side of the law and act appropriately, particularly as they could be personally fined as a result (and some don't even get paid to do it).

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Totally ignoring the question now, brilliant.

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So let me get this straight. All the years I've been here there's only been one person as far as I know that this site 'could' possibly be a problem if these new laws come into effect and that is you.

I'm sure you're hoping the new laws will come into effect as you'll be on the phone every 5 minutes with a new complaint.

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If Liz Truss becomes PM, judging what she has been saying, she may well take out these particular provisions of the Online Safety Bill.

We all know there is a problem with trolls and the bad attitudes of some people, but this is not the way to deal with it. Freedom of speech is precious and we should not allow anyone to interfere with that.

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Doubt it, nadine is one of her biggest cheer leaders

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We'd all get bored pretty quickly if you had to moderate all that crap you spout!! Being serious though, I find myself agreeing with you again and I'm quite worried ;).

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Well, Liz Truss wants the police to get on with catching criminals instead of being arbitrators of internet posters who’ve had the feelings hurt. She said so.

I don’t seriously think that Nadine would argue with Liz over that, do you?

I’m not advocating the Bill be scrapped, just that these provisions about these delicate flowers being offended are taken out.

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There are bound to be differences between those on the left of politics and those on the right, but the reasonable ones always manage to agree a lot on matters in between!

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

The police are unlikely to become involved except in the most serious of cases, such as the prolonged campaign of discriminatory harrassment in breach of an anti harrassment notice under the Harrassment Act & libellous comments made by someone to me on facebook or the racist comments made to the three black footballers, child sex abuse, serious scammers etc.

This is precisely why Ofcom have had their remit widened to include those making a nuisance of themselves on the internet.

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Defamation of character is a civil matter so the police don't have any jurisdiction to get involved. If you feel someone has made libelous comments about you and your legal team have lead you to believe the police will get involved then maybe you should be worried about any other advice they've given you too.

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It's the harassment that the police are dealing with after my legal representative referred it to them (the comments designed to damage my reputation are an integral part of the harassment complaint).

The libel in itself, as you say, is a civil matter and being dealt with by my solicitor.

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So, I'm curious now - what reputation are they damaging ?

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I can't go into any grest detail about the case whilst legal proceedings are ongoing, but let's just say that the false allegations were highly offensive.

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This was the subject of discussion on last night's Moral Maze:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0019k7d

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Just the same as the false allegations you made then tried to sweep under the carpet when I pressed you to prove it.

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:nono: I’ve told you two (You and Richard) before, to keep whatever legal dispute or feud you have with one another, off this forum.

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It happened on this forum.

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I don’t care. I won’t have it used as some petty legal squabbling you have with someone, keep it off this forum.

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I dont have anything legal going on? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in Richards posts about his legal case when he has done exactly the same thing himself. Is that not what the topic is about, internet trolls?

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No the topic is not about you and him and his case against you.

It’s also not going to be you arguing with me about it. I’ve given you and him an instruction, it still stands and it’s non-negotiable.

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Let's just get this clear, he doesn't and never has had a case against me. I'm not sure where you have got that from.

If the instruction stands, that's fine, but im not sure why I can't point out the hypocrisy of someone who is very vocal on these things.

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If there is a good enough reason to why this bill should be scrapped is what is stopping the likes of people like someone we know on here that will go to lengths (troll) to provoke the responses needed for people like him to then take legal actions as if it is their goal to do so. So turning the tables so it's the trolls that are the ones that can gain from this.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

You could, and have bought it up, multiple times, in different topics.
Continuing to bring it up again and again [and again] is serving no purpose now.

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I'm not sure what topics? This seemed the perfect topic of Internet trolls based on what he was saying.

You could say the same for Richard himself always bringing the conversation round to him and the constant battles he's got going on, but week in week out, it's always some legal case or complaint. Is it not fair to remind him he's done the exact thing he's complaining about?

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Can the police keep us safe? is a series on Radio 4. This mornings episode explained that more and more crime is taking place online and that some websites are reluctant to pass on details to the police, which the Online Safety Bill hopes to improve:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0019kjp

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Online harrassment also affects forum owners too.

This site is closing down because it actually started to affect the mental health of the owner (which is presumably the aim of such odious people who post such rude/nasty/negative things).

https://tvliveforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1271

We have to stand against them.

Courtesy of epsilon.

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I am not a lawyer, so don't quote me on this, but I don't think any site has to give the police any information unless there is a court order or subpoena or something?

Certainly copyright companies and the City of London police have tried to get information from registrars and such with official looking letters when there was actual no authority behind them, with the hope of fooling them in to giving up information voluntary.

So if my assumption is correct, any information giving is voluntary unless there is a legal requirement.

Even so, its only going to catch the low hanging fruit of stalking ex's and stupid people saying stupid things. A professional troll is going to be using a VPN and fake details on every site so unless they slip up somewhere, there is not a lot of information to give.

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Of course they are - its called privacy.

We, for example, will not pass on any details of anyone, unless legally required to do so.

Why on earth would you join a site that passes on your details at the drop of a hat ?

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Well obviously we dont know the details of some random site, but there are generally options other than shutting down, that seems a little extreme.

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I wouldn't buy an Amazon ring doorbell as they give access to the police unvetted access to the feed and history without any legal papers needed. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...y/10067549002/

GCHQ are using the 'think of the children' excuse to try and increase their surveillance by getting software on phones that can see images and text before its sent, bypassing encryption in programs with end to end encryption to protect privacy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-abuse-images

Obviously they will use it for 5 eyes mass surveillance. Its their main goal rather than mission creep. Like all the the stuff they try to do to bypass privacy, it will only ever effect normal people. Internet trolls, pedo's, hackers etc will all be able to bypass anything like this.

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In the programme linked to, they won't even pass on information about terrorists which could save lives.

The reasons behind the sites closure are given here. People need to remember that trolling site owners (and others) many of them unpaid, can lead to mental health issues.

Nobody is above criticism, but when it's relentless and unjustified, it is a form of abusive trolling. This is a well known tactic used by internet bullies & bigots and forms part of my complaint of harrassment to the police:



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The affects of trolling and unnecessarily nasty comments from just as nasty individuals on vulnerable people (and even those that aren't) is discussed in the first feature of this programme.

The Online Safety Bill, which has been five years in the making, is mentioned as an attempt to deal with this:

https://www.itv.com/hub/lorraine/1a9360a3153

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I could well believe that

#WeaponsGradeIrony

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You CANNOT STOP people from being rude or nasty to one another.
Speaking as an educator I can attest that you can't force people to accept others just because you wish it to be so.

Richard you can't make anyone accept others because it fits your world view that we should do so.The length of this thread should prove to you that you are pushing a big heavy boulder up a very steep mountain and you haven't even got past the first few feet. This forum is NOT the place to do this.You need to move on and find a bigger and better forum.

Okay I've had my say and apart from moderating duties I intend to never post in this thread again. I SUGGEST strongly that anyone else whose got any gumption will also stop posting in this thread IF you have a particular beef with RC.Stop poking the bear in other words and make us mods lives a little easier.
Thank you.

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I think that what needs to be established before stronger sanction is intent. You can never completely stop the ignorant or accidental offence but you should be able to identify and deal with those intending to cause harm or offence.


We also need to take back the definition of tolerate meaning to put up with not to accept. This is not to say you tolerate intentional "attacks" but neither do you simply "instigate proceeding" because you are offended.



I find the usage of "Jesus Christ" as expletive or exclamation to be offensive and should be stopped in the same way that use of other religious names is. We already have mentioned that the use of N has been made unacceptable where once it was more common so you can't use common usage as an excuse.

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Yeah good luck with that.

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Thing is, if I tell people around me that I find it offensive they should take note of my request.
If you tell folk that you find a certain term or behaviour offensive or it makes you uncomfortable and they ignore that should it be allowed to continue? Maybe at one time people would have said the same about use of the N word.

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I find if people make certain demands that aren't really practical nor acceptable then they'll just be excluded (or ignored) which is a much easier approach. I'm not saying I'd ignore you as you have right to say what you like. But if you were in my social circle then things would be different.

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...38f66aface19cf

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1659092686

https://twitter.com/nadinedorries/st...PT4hwADpPDHNrw

Amazing - blatant lying, even though she was present in the House when the Speaker corrected Johnson when he said the same thing.

The VONC that held up the Online Safety Bill was called for by the Government.

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No, those are reasons to step down, he could have let someone else run the site.

The vast majority of site owners are unpaid.
Again, you seem unable to comprehend that the large SM sites are a tiny fraction of overall sites.
The owners [and staff] of this site have have been trolled by many idiots over the years.
We ban them, and move on. We certainly dont need new draconian laws to deal with them.

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A cynical comment. The government went ahead with its own confidence motion as an alternative to Labour’s.

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Nonsense comment anyway, as if it is some magical bill that will instantly stop child asbuse. It wont.

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Its certainly good manners to keep in minds peoples expressed sensitivities to some things but at the same time some people feel they should not have to change what they say because one person in a room of 20 might get offended by it. Obviously in a church hall those stats can be flipped on their head but otherwise :D

Not to mention some people have said phrases for years and its habit to say it so its not so simple to stop saying something like 'jesus christ' in those similar situations for example. As an example, some people who swear a lot often will swear in front of children by accident even though they don't intend to.

The problem is, pretty much any sentence ever typed, someone somewhere will take offence at it, no matter how benign. If we always restrict stuff based on everyones view on something, social media would be a boring circle jerk bubble of everyone pretending to be the same and others not participating because they feel they cannot express an alternative view.

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Banning the people on the site Richard mentioned sounds like what he should have done if this was indeed continued harassment by some members rather than say constructive criticism. but I guess it depends on the site owner how strict they are...

Banning doesn't always work as intended. Sometimes there are better ways to deal with things.

Sometimes site owners and staff troll members themselves....

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How is highlighting misinformation ‘cynical’?

Her statement is untrue (just like Johnson’s was when he was corrected by the Speaker), and the Conservatives didn’t have to call a VNOC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46890481

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What a load of bollocks. The bill would do nothing to stop that or stop such images or videos being shared. Every website in the UK that this would apply to does not allow that stuff to be posted and would take it down as soon as they saw it if it was. Now they might get fined if there is 5 minutes before they see something and take it down and people will abuse that by signing up to sites they want to cause grief and uploading banned stuff

ISP's use the IWF blocklist to block websites in other countries that might host that stuff too. It is not going to effect bulletproof hosting in different countries/jurisdiction where something like this might get hosted.

As for social media platforms and chat programs, I believe some of them hash images sent and block known hashes. Blaming a company that runs a chat program like Signal or Telegram which uses end to end encryption for something a user sends and is not stored on their server goes too far too. Personally I think this bill is part of GCHQ's plan to have blanket access to everyones phone so they can 'pre-scan' anything sent including text. They are being very vocal about this at the moment while this bill is being talked about.
https://www.computerweekly.com/news/...ht-child-abuse

100% it would be used to expand the 5 eyes network and scan anything on any phone at will without having to potentially burn exploits and C2 infrastrucrure.

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I upset someone the other day during a training course by saying something they didn't like. I decided to apologise, as after all it was something I said that offended them. I told them I was sorry they were over sensitive and had taken what I said in completely the wrong way and out of context. Various people on the course told me they felt I was correct to react in the way I did. I didn't get an apology from the person who took offense, and I suppose I never will. Oh well, their loss.

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Well done you for taking the right approach. They are probably annoyed with you now because you apologised and they have less to complain about now.

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:D

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The OpenRights Group are heavily against the bill and the breaking of end to end encryption which they want to do as part of the bill.

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog...nt-the-answer/

They have a lot of posts on encryption and the Online Safety bill here: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/camp...ve-encryption/

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Facebook need to employ more moderators instead of trying to do it on the cheap.

A friend listed his dining room table as for sale and they took it down as sexually inappropriate content!!

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Over moderating by automatic tools will get worse if these new laws come in because they will try and moderate stuff they think could be troll related and those algorithms as you see often get things wrong.

You are campaigning for more suppression of tables. All dining room furniture matters!

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Lol, well all four legs were clearly on display in their entirety :D

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:D

Quite offensive to those tables that only have three legs through no fault of their own.

The 5 legged tables who did not feel complete with only 4 legs now fear they will be supressed too!

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

What about those who identify as a toaster?

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:D

Life is really hard for those that are electric neutral. Forget cycling infrastructure, we need less AC and DC structure so we can cater to the safety for those that identify as polarity neutral toasters. Both 2 Pin and 3 pins! DEVICEACDC2P3P+

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@Maggy If you enjoy Lost Voice Guy, you might enjoy this comedy semi autobiographical series:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b2nh1n

I'll also PM it to you in case you've stopped reading this thread.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

A contributor to this programme, part of a series about the art of argument, suggests verifying who is posting, but not necessarily being made to use ones real name publically, on sites like Twitter. He argues that it isn't possible to go into a bank and deposit money without having to verify who you are, so why isn't the same thing done for posting online to prevent bots or inappropriate people like Putins family from posting things:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0019rj2

It's just over halfway through.

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Why should Putins family be denied to voice their opinion online?

As much as I am against the idea of online identities, I really do think within 30 or 40 years such a system will be in place where you can't get on the internet without something to say who you are. Be it a government page login with all data going through them once you have logged in with some biometric built in to all new devices or a unique hardware device.

Even then it won't help because criminals, trolls, world leaders will still have ways to get anonymously using stolen devices which would trace back to the wrong person or other backdoors.

All it will do will make mass surveillance even easier than it already is.

People can fake identities quite easily and crime forums do and will sell fake identities setup to look kosha by using bots to make random posts across multiple platforms so the ID looks legit.

So again the police will be spending their time on all the low hanging fruit of people who say stupid stuff online because they can match up names easier instead of catching criminals that matter like those that commit robberies. Cybercriminals won't be affected either.

I have never used my real name or date of birth on any site I have signed up for except Online banking and Amazon type sites. Every site gets a different D.O.B and different email addresses. Even if a site wants a postcode to find something near me I have a list of postcodes to use for surrounding areas and don't re-use them. For one, so many sites and advertising on sites want some of that information to compile together about you and collate with bigger datasets which everyone and their dog can buy, so its good security to do this among other things.
Having a good understanding of DNS/browser/cookie/User agent/background services contacting update servers etc is also needed to avoid some of this stuff which most don't have so its fairly trivial for so many people, including the police to trace people as it is without forced real names behind logins which will just get hacked.

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You forgot to mention you use a VPN as well, at least to access this site. :)

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Interesting remark .... why are Putins family 'inappropriate people' ?

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True. Since the investigatory powers law came in to effect which gives everyone down to the Food Standards Agency and Ambulance service access to your internet connection records (ICR) for the last two years, not just the police, I think everyone should use a VPN to regain some privacy.

How most people use them they can still be used for correlation as John Doe posted x on site y with IP z and the police can see that suspect A connected to that VPN IP from their ICR at the time the offence happened.

The people who say stupid things online are the kind of people who will make lots of stupid mistakes where a VPN won't really help them in the long run.

If you have access to a lot of breaches that have emails/passwords/IP addresses etc, its trivial to find peoples other usernames and emails in some cases. Finding someones main email account if they are using a throwaway account for something nefarious can be easy if they use the same unique password on both for example. The police do use some of these same datasets and know these tricks.

Requiring real names to login will be a nightmare. Its bad enough many social media accounts try to link you to a phone number too.

2019
https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/24/tw...phone-numbers/

This week

https://therecord.media/twitter-conf...-phone-number/

Plenty of reasons not to add more personal details online.

As much as I hate it, I have to run an instance of whatsapp. Its amazing how many messages I get from people I have messaged on there who said they tried calling me on my whatsapp number but it doesn't work. It doesnt work because its not my number. If I wanted them to call or speak to me directly I would have given them my actual number. People assume its ok to call because they have access to that information compared to say Telegram which works by a username.

So registering stuff with different phone and throwaway sims, knowing it has a life expectancy before the number will be re-used and no longer secure is already done by some who value their privacy and want to stop leaking more information than they already do.

Stuff is limited enough as it is and its not easy to juggle different accounts with different numbers, while hiding metadata. But those say know how to root their phone and use something like xposed to lie to apps like whatsapp about phone names/models/MAC addresses and other identifying details are going to keep trolling no matter what new laws come out in a country that might or might not be the one they are actually in.

Some people hack everything they come across, because it often takes minutes and they can. Some for fun, some for profit. They are harder to catch and prove but the police would have more resources to do so if they wasn't dealing with someone who got hurt by something someone said on the internet. It will get worse with new troll laws where they will have to investigate more. All the time the actual criminals are robbing your banks laughing that the police dont have the resources to catch them.

The technical details of how things work are often overlooked because politicians don't understand them. Our cookies law means we are constantly having to consent or reject cookies on site prompts. Every time you visit the site if you are someone who cleans cookies after every browsing session. They didn't think of that when introducing that. The same with the stupid credit card and photo ID for accessing porn sites. Unworkable/will lead to more details compromised and kids will still be accessing porn because they will work out the ways around it.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Troll who made persistent rude & nasty posts found guilty of stalking:

https://www.nme.com/news/music/ex-bb...asters-3285205

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

While troll was used to describe him by Vine, he was stalking and harassing people. Is the trolling label really needed?

Also worth noting that existing laws dealt with this and he was removed from social media platforms multiple times so they were dealing with him too.

The police should, and did, deal with this for the laws he broke which is their job as it was proper harassment.

Trolling and name calling is different. If trolling gets to the point of harassment, it gets dealt with once reported.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Yes, all without the need for new, draconian, badly thought out, laws. :sleep:

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'Non-crime hate incidents taking up too much of police's time'..

A common sense approach.

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/d...idents-9197202

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Agreed. If the police believe no crime has been committed, they should simply walk away.

People are crying out for the police to catch criminals, not involve themselves with the ‘right to be offended’ brigade.

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It took them being sued to realise this though it seems. About 10 years too late but better than never. They should never have started on that track to begin with

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

The existing legislation is too laborious and time consuming. The cost also prevents some people from excercising their legal rights too.

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I took it to mean that he assumes that his family will most likely share his views and will certainly do so in public, essentially becoming his mouthpiece.

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Some shocking revelations about nude photographs of women being traded without their consent on this week's Panorama:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...-trading-nudes

On a lighter note, a woman on Facebook has criticised them over a warning that she received for bullying.

She called herself a silly bugger after making a bad choice about something. She assumed that the warning was a result of software being used to check posts, so appealed thinking that a real moderater would quickly sort it out.

The warning was not overturned on appeal, so she's effectively been told off for trolling herself :D

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Neither of those is a reason to write new laws.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

:tu:

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We're just wasting our time countering one persons views. Doesn't matter how much everyone ends up disagreeing with him it won't change his mind in the slightest.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Has this thread not died yet

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

That won’t be allowed to happen

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Seriously?:rofl:

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Apparently not.

It will die as naturally as any other topic.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Not when something sub-natural is pushing it…

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

In the past legislation has been amended, replaced or had additional alternatives introduced for these reasons

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

A study has found that offensive posts shoot up by 22% according to the weather!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...514.html%3famp

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

I must confess to cursing rain sometimes.

Lock me up and throw away the key.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

This links to

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/loc...9/1.html%3famp

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Try this https://www.theguardian.com/society/...analysis-finds

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Was that the study conducted by the 'No Sheet Sherlock' society?

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

It's something that had never occurred to me. Maybe someone who was stuck inside on a miserable cold day might decide to take out their depressive feelings on someone else, but on a hot sunny day you'd think they'd be happy and be out enjoying the sun instead of sitting thinking of unpleasant things to send to people online.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

From the Guardian article

Above 42C (108F) is a bit more than "a hot sunny day"… ;)