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denphone 21-05-2016 20:14

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35838899)
I see some Scottish fans haven't improved much since they vandalised Wembley way back when.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-36350220

Sadly hooliganism has never disappeared and has always lurked in the background in my opinion and sadly its just a matter of time before someone will get seriously injured or killed and that's why l would even consider having fences in football again as it festers away in the background and if it was not for big police presences at many high risks football games we would be seeing serious hooliganism on a regular basis in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35838901)
1-0 to Palace :D

You were saying.....

TheDaddy 21-05-2016 21:14

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35838865)
If United win we get the FA Cup, if we lose LVG gets sacked in the morning. Win/win :)

That is the best result for football, utd win a cup they couldn't even be bothered to enter a few years back, LVG stays and continues his good work and the hammers qualify for Europe

Shadow Demon UK 21-05-2016 21:30

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Quality goal from Lingard to win it. I still find it unbelievable that some people think Rooney isn't good enough to play for England...

denphone 21-05-2016 21:41

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Not up front he ain't as he ain't quick enough anymore....

Shadow Demon UK 21-05-2016 22:04

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A lot of reliable sources saying that LVG will be sacked on Monday with Mourinho taking over on Tuesday

denphone 21-05-2016 22:15

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35838917)
A lot of reliable sources saying that LVG will be sacked on Monday with Mourinho taking over on Tuesday

Indeed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36351371

adzii_nufc 21-05-2016 22:27

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Even Defoe has outscored Rooney this season. In the midfield the likes of Dele Alli and Milner have outperformed him over the course. I like the guy I think his chances of being a super goalscorer were always hampered by constantly being thrown wherever. Go with the youth and form and lead with Kane and Vardy.

How many goals has Rooney scored in International finals where they're needed most? He's no Lineker or Shearer whom both scored more in one competition iirc than Rooney's combined tournament's. Unfortunately that has to change and you throw form players and youth in the mix. Again Vardy and Kane for the nod with Alli kicking about.

I don't really think it comes down to not being good enough bit rather far better options to choose from at present.

Arthurgray50@blu 21-05-2016 23:51

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I think the disgraceful scene in the Scottish Final, was appalling. And they may bring Scottish football to merge with English football.

I don't think so.

Sadly the hooligans of Scottish football wont change. Can you imagine Celtic and Rangers come to play Chelsea, Arsenal, or any other London club for that matter.

There would be blood spilt all over the place

Shadow Demon UK 22-05-2016 10:39

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35838922)
Even Defoe has outscored Rooney this season. In the midfield the likes of Dele Alli and Milner have outperformed him over the course. I like the guy I think his chances of being a super goalscorer were always hampered by constantly being thrown wherever. Go with the youth and form and lead with Kane and Vardy.

How many goals has Rooney scored in International finals where they're needed most? He's no Lineker or Shearer whom both scored more in one competition iirc than Rooney's combined tournament's. Unfortunately that has to change and you throw form players and youth in the mix. Again Vardy and Kane for the nod with Alli kicking about.

I don't really think it comes down to not being good enough bit rather far better options to choose from at present.


The problem with going with Kane, Vardy and Alli is that you have zero experience, no experience playing in major tournaments, for England or even European club football. There's actually very little experience in this England squad, that's why Rooney would be the first name on the team sheet for me. I think people have been extremely harsh on him this season, he started off badly but was on a good run of form before he had a long period out injured. He's come back and played very well, the last two games in particular. I would play him just behind Kane, or maybe a deeper role. I think he will prove a lot of people wrong this summer.

denphone 22-05-2016 10:51

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Well l hope he does prove people wrong Shadow but we shall see this summer..

TheDaddy 22-05-2016 18:45

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35838945)
The problem with going with Kane, Vardy and Alli is that you have zero experience, no experience playing in major tournaments, for England or even European club football. There's actually very little experience in this England squad, that's why Rooney would be the first name on the team sheet for me. I think people have been extremely harsh on him this season, he started off badly but was on a good run of form before he had a long period out injured. He's come back and played very well, the last two games in particular. I would play him just behind Kane, or maybe a deeper role. I think he will prove a lot of people wrong this summer.

No experience of failing, of letting everyone down, of believing in your own hype, his game will hinder the youngsters not help them imo

iadom 22-05-2016 19:36

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Well 'youngsters' like Rashford, Lindgard, Martial, Borthwick-Jackson, Fosu Mensah, et al have not suffered by sharing the pitch with Rooney, quite the opposite.
He does take time to get up to speed after a lay off but has been playing very well in the past month or so.

Shadow Demon UK 22-05-2016 19:46

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Going by this performance against Turkey, England desperately need Rooney in the side....

TheDaddy 22-05-2016 19:55

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35839041)
Well 'youngsters' like Rashford, Lindgard, Martial, Borthwick-Jackson, Fosu Mensah, et al have not suffered by sharing the pitch with Rooney, quite the opposite.
He does take time to get up to speed after a lay off but has been playing very well in the past month or so.


Hardly been what Manchester utd would call a successful season has it and it's that time you mention is exactly what i meant when i said his game will hinder the youngsters. And why is wilshere being picked, give him a break to get fully fit with a proper pre season or else we might just lose him forever

iadom 22-05-2016 20:12

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Don't rate Wilshire, the way he always goes into tackles leaves him vulnerable to injury, or committing fouls.

And you did mention the 'youngsters' suffering, something they most certainly have not.

TheDaddy 22-05-2016 20:31

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35839054)
Don't rate Wilshire, the way he always goes into tackles leaves him vulnerable to injury, or committing fouls.

And you did mention the 'youngsters' suffering, something they most certainly have not.

You have to wonder if it's in spite of Wayne rather than because of him and how good these young players actually are, time will tell next season on how many get regular first team football.

iadom 22-05-2016 20:57

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He is Englands all time record goal scorer, he is fully fit, he has been playing very well in a deeper roll in the past few months.

He has made several crucial tackles in his own area ( although he could have conceded a pen yesterday).

He headed a goal bound ball away from goal in the FA Cup semi final, and he single handedly [sp] beat half the Palace side to set up United's equaliser yesterday.

England are hardly blessed with top quality midfield players, Alli is brilliant but still has a suspect temperament that the top international players will already be well aware of.
And if Jordan Henderson who is a million miles from international class IMHO makes the squad as a midfielder then god help us.:rolleyes:

TheDaddy 22-05-2016 21:05

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35839065)
He is Englands all time record goal scorer, he is fully fit, he has been playing very well in a deeper roll in the past few months.

He has made several crucial tackles in his own area ( although he could have conceded a pen yesterday).

He headed a goal bound ball away from goal in the FA Cup semi final, and he single handedly [sp] beat half the Palace side to set up United's equaliser yesterday.

England are hardly blessed with top quality midfield players, Alli is brilliant but still has a suspect temperament that the top international players will already be well aware of.
And if Jordan Henderson who is a million miles from international class IMHO makes the squad as a midfielder then god help us.:rolleyes:

Square pegs in round holes, will we ever learn about trying to shoehorn players into the team. If woy or sven were in charge in 66 we'd still be waiting for a world cup as they'd have gone with greavesie instead of sir Geoff

iadom 22-05-2016 21:19

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There are a few players who are capable of switching roles in later life. Bobby Charlton for one started out as an old fashioned number 9 but later in his career morphed into a world class midfielder. It can be done and as I have already said we are not over burdened with top class midfield players.

denphone 22-05-2016 21:38

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35839048)
Going by this performance against Turkey, England desperately need Rooney in the side....

Even with him England have no chance of winning the forthcoming European Championships as we can defend for toffee and have trouble keeping possession.

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35839054)
Don't rate Wilshire, the way he always goes into tackles leaves him vulnerable to injury, or committing fouls.

And you did mention the 'youngsters' suffering, something they most certainly have not.

Yep Wilshire is certainly over-rated that's for sure as like Sterling he has not progressed at all from the initial breakthrough first season.

iadom 22-05-2016 21:46

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Note you didn't disagree with me regarding Henderson Den. ;)

denphone 22-05-2016 22:02

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35839084)
Note you didn't disagree with me regarding Henderson Den. ;)

l never disagree with thy wise sage of the football thread.:)

iadom 22-05-2016 22:20

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35839088)
l never disagree with thy wise sage of the football thread.:)

And there was me thinking that epithet was Arthur's .:D

Arthurgray50@blu 22-05-2016 22:30

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I think that fans who think that Rooney, should be in the Euro Squad, must be stupid.

Rooney has a hot head and regularly loses his head. Even the commentator said on the Cup Final 'Rooney has to be careful now' Rooney, should be retired from Internationals.

I have said all along we need Fresh blood in the new England squad.

We have that now in the present set up. Good football, and it was refreshing to watch.

iadom 22-05-2016 23:29

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There you have it Den, the real sage has spoken.:D

Arthurgray50@blu 22-05-2016 23:47

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Maybe after the Euro's Hodgson, will walk. He should have done the honest thing and resigned after our dismal World Cup.

Scary 23-05-2016 10:25

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Why Should he walk away yes we didn't have a good world cup but Hodgson has one of the best win percentages in competitive matches 73% in all matches 60% so he isn't that bad

adzii_nufc 23-05-2016 10:45

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It's not really that hard to have a high win percentage in International football, regardless of that its actual competitions that count.

You can't sack Hodgson though nor can you blame him, there's no manager left that would take up the England job, its a set up to fail. We don't have a single player in the team that is the greatest in the world at their position or even close. We have no Ronaldo, Messi, Muller, Hummels and so on. I don't see anything close to those world class players on the horizon. Even when we get players in a rich vein of form its near enough massive odds you'll actually see them perform well in international tournament's. Don't be shocked if Kane and Vardy walk away with nothing between them. Jack Wilshere is done, another overhyped player hampered by injuries that simply can't and won't deliver. They're setting up Barkley for that same thing.

Russ 23-05-2016 12:33

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denphone 23-05-2016 12:51

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Are you happy with the special one becoming MU's new manager Russ?.

denphone 23-05-2016 17:32

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What a utter shambolic shambles this is from MU today as they still have not announced that LVG has been sacked but alas with Ed Woodward at the helm what else can you expect from a rank amateur who is quite clearly out of his depth.

Shadow Demon UK 23-05-2016 21:49

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It's been announced now. The delay was requested by LVG so he could pack his bags and get on a plane to the Algarve (genuine reason)

iadom 23-05-2016 22:29

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LVG

denphone 24-05-2016 08:16

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Louis van Gaal sacked by Man Utd over poor style of play.:rofl::rofl:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36364883

Julian 24-05-2016 10:21

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35839373)
Louis van Gaal sacked by Man Utd over poor style of play.:rofl::rofl:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36364883

That is the opinion of one of the many bbc manu fanboys.

The relentless stream of manu articles on the bbc site is ridiculous as evidenced by the comments in the HYS section. :rolleyes:

denphone 24-05-2016 10:33

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Well the new manager is no different to the one who has just got his P45 in his style of play unless anybody can tell us otherwise..

iadom 24-05-2016 12:37

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Well his Chelski side scored 73 goals in the 2014/5 season, and RM outscored Barca in La Liga one season so he is not all 'park the bus'.

denphone 24-05-2016 15:49

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Nice to see you put a nice positive spin on things.;)

iadom 24-05-2016 16:52

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On the flip side he did turn out with five defenders and five midfielders in his last match at Old Trafford which was a boring draw.:rolleyes:

denphone 25-05-2016 19:49

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Well it looks like Newcastle have made a good decision for once.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36377851

adzii_nufc 25-05-2016 20:46

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It seems Newcastle have finally veered away from backroom transfer dealings and threw money at what is their biggest manager since Sir Bobby Robson. If Benitez is staying then he's been promised quite a bit. Great times at a relegated club...

Julian 26-05-2016 00:13

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35839664)
It seems Newcastle have finally veered away from backroom transfer dealings and threw money at what is their biggest manager since Sir Bobby Robson. If Benitez is staying then he's been promised quite a bit. Great times at a relegated club...

Indeed, when you look at the clubs in the Championship there will be some really big games...

Newcastle, Villa, Wolves, Leeds, Brighton, Derby, Birmingham, Forest.....

denphone 26-05-2016 18:23

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The special one has arrived.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/35944924

iadom 26-05-2016 18:36

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The list of 'image rights' is staggering.:rolleyes:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/footb...cid=spartandhp

denphone 26-05-2016 18:49

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Yep that's the big football brand we have now as its everywhere.

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35839783)
The list of 'image rights' is staggering.:rolleyes:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/footb...cid=spartandhp

What are your thoughts on the appointment of Mourinho?.

iadom 26-05-2016 19:03

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A bit like my views on the up coming referendum, still undecided but chances are he will have more pull than Van Gaal when it comes to signing new players.

Interesting times. :)

Shadow Demon UK 26-05-2016 20:05

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35839783)
The list of 'image rights' is staggering.:rolleyes:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/footb...cid=spartandhp


Seems stupid that a club that sacked him can still own all his image rights. You would think sacking him would end all ties/contracts they had in place, especially for his image rights.

TheDaddy 27-05-2016 04:11

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35839792)
Seems stupid that a club that sacked him can still own all his image rights. You would think sacking him would end all ties/contracts they had in place, especially for his image rights.


They've owned them since 2006 iirc

iadom 27-05-2016 22:06

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Well even though it is Australia there is still no substitute for class, that was a stunning finish from a player several of you didn't think should be on the plane. ROOONNEEY. :)

denphone 27-05-2016 22:16

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Now now old boy you must not take our opinions too harshly.;)

iadom 27-05-2016 22:21

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Whilst one of Arthur's team makes a complete bollocks of it, United 2-1 Spurs.

Arthurgray50@blu 27-05-2016 23:04

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http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2016...hester-united/

I heard today that Mourinho is being paid a staggering 1 MILLION POUNDS PER MONTH. This is absolutely disgusting.
When you think what fans are paying to get into grounds, and what the cost of shirts are.

I wanted to buy an England Shirt today from Sports Direct, and was told £80.00.

When is the Premier League going to reduce match entrance fees at a lower price. The PL is one of the richest leagues, going, They get TV money, advertising money.
They can pay Mourinho, and players a staggering amount of money.

And the poor fan gets totally ripped off, by the clubs, shirts, and Tv Subs.

Totally a disgrace

devilincarnate 29-05-2016 18:15

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Whoop Whoooop WTG Barnsley back in the Championship

denphone 29-05-2016 18:33

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Well done Devil and well done to the Tykes..

devilincarnate 29-05-2016 18:46

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35840109)
Well done Devil and well done to the Tykes..

Cheers Den it's only 56 days since we were last at Wembley winning the Johnstone's paint trophy :D

Julian 29-05-2016 19:04

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Congratulations to Barnsley.

Also big congratulations to Hull for their triumph over Sheffield Wednesday yesterday and welcome back to the Premier League.

denphone 29-05-2016 19:12

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Now all you have to do now is cheer on my home town tomorrow and we have the treble up old boy.;):D

devilincarnate 29-05-2016 19:34

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35840117)
Now all you have to do now is cheer on my home town tomorrow and we have the treble up old boy.;):D

Will do Den

Julian 29-05-2016 20:32

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35840117)
Now all you have to do now is cheer on my home town tomorrow and we have the treble up old boy.;):D

I'm already doing that as they will be the nearest league side to me when I move soon. ;)

I'll still be heading up to Southampton though....

denphone 30-05-2016 15:35

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Why oh why have Sky got that treacherous traitor Holloway on for the play off final this afternoon.:rolleyes:

iadom 30-05-2016 17:59

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Really pleased for everyone connected with 'The Real Dons' , just want MK to vanish without trace and justice will finally be done.;)

You have just got to love The Beast.

TheDaddy 30-05-2016 18:58

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35840289)
Really pleased for everyone connected with 'The Real Dons' , just want MK to vanish without trace and justice will finally be done.;)

You have just got to love The Beast.

Wouldn't it be great if they finish next season in a higher division than mk dons

iadom 30-05-2016 19:06

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35840295)
Wouldn't it be great if they finish next season in a higher division than mk dons

:tu:

denphone 30-05-2016 19:46

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Well three finals this season and sadly nothing to show for it.:(:td:

TheDaddy 31-05-2016 04:57

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Fourth time lucky old bean

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35840289)
Really pleased for everyone connected with 'The Real Dons' , just want MK to vanish without trace and justice will finally be done.;)

You have just got to love The Beast.

He's unemployed now :(

iadom 31-05-2016 17:54

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Can't understand why he is not in Woys squad, those Johnny foreigners would have no idea how to handle him. :D

denphone 01-06-2016 08:11

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35840343)
Fourth time lucky old bean

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He's unemployed now :(

Yes lets hope so TD.:)

denphone 02-06-2016 18:03

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Looks like Southampton will be needing a new manager soon according to the bookies.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...verton-manager

Arthurgray50@blu 02-06-2016 20:08

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Well from what l can gather Loris, of Spurs, could be going after turning down a new contract.

Even though he has several more years on his current one.

I cannot understand why players sign say, four year deals. Only think about leaving after 12 months or when something big come in.

What's the point of having 'long term contracts;

iadom 02-06-2016 20:28

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35840723)

I cannot understand why players sign say, four year deals. Only think about leaving after 12 months or when something big come in


One simple word Arthur, MONEY. :(

denphone 02-06-2016 20:37

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Yep iadom has summed it up perfectly.

iadom 02-06-2016 21:33

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Do they still sell Hai Karate aftershave, Bruno Alves auditioning for their advert, what a shocking challenge . That could have killed someone. :mad:

denphone 02-06-2016 21:43

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l think you might be able to get it in those pound shops old bean.

adzii_nufc 02-06-2016 21:46

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That was a pretty astonishing challenge, thankfully the outcome was minimal. Still I think he's botched it and was really going for an incredibly difficult wrestling move. Light laughs aside, if he catches him with studs then its lights out and drawing blood.

denphone 02-06-2016 22:23

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On this performance we will be lucky if we even draw a match at Euro 2016.:td::(

Arthurgray50@blu 03-06-2016 00:12

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I enjoyed the Mexican wave better. Yes, it was a friendly. But l thought it was terrible game.

When we play in the Euros, we are going to be playing TOP quality sides, NOT Sunday leagues sides.

I said after we didn't go through the group stages in the World Cup. The FA should have sacked Hodgson.

He hasn't even decided on the formation we are going use. I would have taken Townsend, and dropped Wiltshire.

Townsend, is a great runner, and scores goals.

Wiltshire is injury prone.

They should have brought in a new Manager, ie Mourinho for example. He would have motivated the players.

I would definitely not had Rooney in the squad. He is to much of a hot head and will get sent off, in important games

On tonight's performance we were very poor. As l said, l enjoyed the Mexican wave more

Looking at Hodgson sitting on the bench, he could have been saying 'what the heck, can l do to improve things'

We have a good squad, BUT, there are players that shouldn't be going.

TheDaddy 03-06-2016 04:44

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35840727)
One simple word Arthur, MONEY. :(

Money for the club not the player, no contact over two years is worth the paper it's written on due to employment law, the reason clubs give players longer ones is so they receive more compensation

denphone 04-06-2016 08:53

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35840129)
I'm already doing that as they will be the nearest league side to me when I move soon. ;)

I'll still be heading up to Southampton though....

Looks like the usual summer exodus from St Marys is going to begin very soon old boy.:)

Julian 04-06-2016 11:46

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35840966)
Looks like the usual summer exodus from St Marys is going to begin very soon old boy.:)

We will see Den..... :)

Wouldn't miss Wanyama and his ill discipline.

Even Mane and his tantrums isn't irreplaceable.

As for Koeman, well I would rather he didn't go but the fact is he is a good manager not a great manager. As evidenced by the lack of interest in him by the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and your Liverpool.

Shadow Demon UK 04-06-2016 12:27

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He's apparently agreed terms with Everton. Just sorting out the compensation package for Southampton now. It will be interesting to see who Southampton go for next and see if they can actually get them to stay for a while instead of using them as a stepping stone.

denphone 04-06-2016 13:30

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The thing is Southampton no matter what way their supporters put it are a selling club and that's not going to change and the same sentiment applies to their managers as generally they are just passing through on their way to bigger clubs then Southampton.

Julian 04-06-2016 19:30

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35841023)
The thing is Southampton no matter what way their supporters put it are a selling club and that's not going to change and the same sentiment applies to their managers as generally they are just passing through on their way to bigger clubs then Southampton.

The usual definition of a selling club is one that has to sell to survive.

That is clearly not the case with Southampton.

What they have is an excellent scouting setup which sources relatively low priced players, develops them, then sells them for a profit to richer clubs.
That is a business model.

I would be the first to admit that the club is not ambitious in the same way that some clubs are in a scattercash way.
Football managers are measured by their success - cups etc.
Koeman's head has been turned by the ludicrous amount of money being offered to him to try and buy success.
It is not necessarily a formula for success - see Liverpool and Man Utd for further details. :)

Koeman is going to a club with a proud history, I would question whether they are a " bigger " club at this time. Their owner has less money than our owner, he just plans to throw loads of money at their problem rather than development.
That worked out well for Portsmouth didn't it?
Bought an FA Cup then disappeared into obscurity....;)

denphone 04-06-2016 19:47

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Nice to see you had to mention your beloved local rivals my old boy.:D

Julian 04-06-2016 21:02

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35841068)
Nice to see you had to mention your beloved local rivals my old boy.:D

LOL It was an obvious example Den :angel::)

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THIS is a good article in the Telegraph.

denphone 04-06-2016 21:28

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Yes it is a good article as he is one journalist who always writes a well reasoned and articulate article generally.

TheDaddy 04-06-2016 21:44

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35841061)
The usual definition of a selling club is one that has to sell to survive.

That is clearly not the case with Southampton.

What they have is an excellent scouting setup which sources relatively low priced players, develops them, then sells them for a profit to richer clubs.
That is a business model.

I would be the first to admit that the club is not ambitious in the same way that some clubs are in a scattercash way.
Football managers are measured by their success - cups etc.
Koeman's head has been turned by the ludicrous amount of money being offered to him to try and buy success.
It is not necessarily a formula for success - see Liverpool and Man Utd for further details. :)

Koeman is going to a club with a proud history, I would question whether they are a " bigger " club at this time. Their owner has less money than our owner, he just plans to throw loads of money at their problem rather than development.
That worked out well for Portsmouth didn't it?
Bought an FA Cup then disappeared into obscurity....;)

Its a business model doomed to fail, you can't sell your best players each season and hope to compete or even survive, Wimbledon, Newcastle and to an extent arsenal have all tried and failed, it's a dangerous game that will eventually loose. Portsmouth are best held up as an example of how stupid the fit and proper person test is, a gun runners son was only ever going to end in disaster and if I was a fam I'd still be demanding to know what happened to all the money, their players might have commanded big wages but they were sold for big money to.

Julian 05-06-2016 00:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35841086)
Its a business model doomed to fail, you can't sell your best players each season and hope to compete or even survive, Wimbledon, Newcastle and to an extent arsenal have all tried and failed, it's a dangerous game that will eventually loose.

I tend to agree with that TD in the long term.

I see Leicester are going to be raped too.
The rich* clubs really don't like interlopers do they...... :rolleyes:

* Financially rich, morally bankrupt.

TheDaddy 05-06-2016 02:10

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35841109)
I tend to agree with that TD in the long term.

I see Leicester are going to be raped too.
The rich* clubs really don't like interlopers do they...... :rolleyes:

* Financially rich, morally bankrupt.

I hoped Leicester could hold the team together for at least another season but if they lose Vardy they can lose anyone. It's an exclusive club at the top and the likes of Leicester won't be tolerated for more than a season.

Damien 05-06-2016 18:06

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The other issue is that if Vardy goes go, and I think that's an odd signing for Arsenal, then what incentive is there for Kanté or Mahrez to stick around? The 'stick together' only works if they all do it otherwise everyone will suddenly be looking out for themselves as well.

denphone 05-06-2016 19:15

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Most football players preach loyalty by kissing their badge and pledging unswerving loyalty to their club but in essence that is just utter rubbish as the vast majority of footballers are extremely selfish and if they can get a bigger pay day elsewhere then its usually adios.

Shadow Demon UK 05-06-2016 19:27

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You can't blame Vardy for it. He was playing lower league football not long ago, he won't be a multi millionaire like other players and he's at the back end of his career. You can't blame him for going to a big club to earn big money.

denphone 05-06-2016 19:33

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l am not blaming him but a while back he said he had no intention of leaving the club so l just wish players would be more honest with the club and the supporters rather then telling porkies.

Julian 05-06-2016 20:34

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35841234)
l am not blaming him but a while back he said he had no intention of leaving the club so l just wish players would be more honest with the club and the supporters rather then telling porkies.

This.

It also applies to managers.

MalteseFalcon 05-06-2016 21:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35841234)
l am not blaming him but a while back he said he had no intention of leaving the club so l just wish players would be more honest with the club and the supporters rather then telling porkies.

To be fair that was probably said before Leicester won the league.

denphone 05-06-2016 21:27

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Indeed it was but l always believe if one says something then one should keep to their word Mark.

Arthurgray50@blu 05-06-2016 21:59

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I think it was odds on favourite that most of the Leicester players, will go to the rich clubs. As they can double there wages.

Look at Barton, he left soon after and went to Rangers. Vardy, stated that he would stay at Leicester. But then he gets a better offer, and possible constant champions league football with Arsenal.

Most of last seasons squad will leave for bigger clubs.

The bookies make Leicester relegation favourites for next season

Damien 05-06-2016 22:27

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Also for Vardy, even his career path, wouldn't the prospect of signing for Arsenal itself be pretty attractive even without the extra cash? If you're someone who wasn't expecting a career at high-level football, let alone the Premier League, and in a few years Arsenal/United/Liverpool turn up at your door then it's going to be hard to say no.

MalteseFalcon 05-06-2016 23:11

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Someone on twitter said in a DM to me today that he wouldn't be surprised if Vardy made outrageous demands on these clubs to see who will tempt him away from Leicester and I kind of agree with that. After the season he just had, he surely must be able to name his price effectively to other clubs.

iadom 05-06-2016 23:29

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f course this is all Vardy's fault and nothing to do with the blood sucking leeches called agents.:rolleyes:

denphone 06-06-2016 06:39

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Yes sadly the proliferate the game of football.


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