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BexTech 10-06-2013 14:53
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582230)
It has zero usage restrictions; you can download as much as you want.


After a certain amount of download, the speed you can download at is reduced, but you can still download as much as you want.

And even when speed caped, a VM 30meg meg connection is still faster than most Sky BB connections.

Still can't download as much as you would be able to if it wasn't strangled.

passingbat 10-06-2013 15:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BexTech (Post 35582237)
Still can't download as much as you would be able to if it wasn't strangled.
Still more than most of Sky's BB users.


You really are clutching at straws, aren't you.

muppetman11 10-06-2013 15:14
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35582103)
Yes but that is stand alone. I mean offer the triple play package but remove or reduce the line rental cost or move to a package like tv, broadband and 2 mobile phones for x per month with out a land line.

Should be interesting over the next few months. In years gone by, the investor view was that content is king which put Sky in a strong position. The view is that the world is changing and that infrastructure is king, which weakens Sky's position as they hardly have any. BT seem to be getting themselves into a good position as they are getting into the content business and also own their infrastructure.

So the new guy at VM has his work cut out in deciding where VM heading I reckon.
They have their own fibre network don't they :confused: , they also have their own equipment installed in over 2,200 exchanges up and down the country , the only difference being they rely on Openreach for the last mile from the exchange to the customers house , this is a service Openreach provide on behalf of all LLU suppliers and the pricing is regulated. They also have wifi infrastructure thanks to its purchase of The Cloud which has its equipment at over 10,000 hotspots , they also have many data centres which provide the servers which house all their On Demand content for both Sky TV and Now TV so to suggest they have no infrastructure isn't quite true.

BexTech 10-06-2013 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582239)
Still more than most of Sky's BB users.


You really are clutching at straws, aren't you.
No, at the moment I'm more than happy with my VM broadband.

Chad 10-06-2013 15:58
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582230)
It has zero usage restrictions; you can download as much as you want.


After a certain amount of download, the speed you can download at is reduced, but you can still download as much as you want.

And even when speed caped, a VM 30meg meg connection is still faster than most Sky BB connections.

I agree that with Virgin you can download as much as you want, but not always at the speed you are paying for. If you want to avoid your connection being restricted, you have to regulate how much you are downloading during long spells of the day. This doesn’t sound like a service with zero usage restrictions. You get punished for using the service more than Virgin would like you to.

Until 6 months ago I was a Virgin broadband customer. 7 years of custom between Telewest and Virgin Media. Virgin can come out with all the spin they want. I know what service I received and it had built in restrictions based on my usage. Nobody will ever convince me that Virgin broadband doesn’t have usage restrictions.

I feel I get tremendous value for money from SKY for my broadband. This was certainly not how I felt about the service provided by Virgin. I’ll give Virgin their due however, their totally unlimited 20mb broadband connection from about 5 years ago was a fantastic service. The best broadband package I’ve ever had. Brilliant upload and download speeds at all times, well brilliant when compared to other speeds on the market at the time. This was the last time I truly felt like Virgin offered a service with no usage restrictions in anyway.

passingbat 10-06-2013 16:40
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35582252)
I agree that with Virgin you can download as much as you want, but not always at the speed you are paying for. If you want to avoid your connection being restricted, you have to regulate how much you are downloading during long spells of the day. This doesn’t sound like a service with zero usage restrictions. You get punished for using the service more than Virgin would like you to.

.
But a point you seem to not want to understand; a capped VM 30meg connection is faster than most sky BB connections; yours included.

I don't see VM hiding the fact that that capping is part of the service and at a guess, I would say that the vast majority of users don't even encounter capping.

saabmania2 10-06-2013 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35582252)
I agree that with Virgin you can download as much as you want, but not always at the speed you are paying for. If you want to avoid your connection being restricted, you have to regulate how much you are downloading during long spells of the day. This doesn’t sound like a service with zero usage restrictions. You get punished for using the service more than Virgin would like you to.

Until 6 months ago I was a Virgin broadband customer. 7 years of custom between Telewest and Virgin Media. Virgin can come out with all the spin they want. I know what service I received and it had built in restrictions based on my usage. Nobody will ever convince me that Virgin broadband doesn’t have usage restrictions.

I feel I get tremendous value for money from SKY for my broadband. This was certainly not how I felt about the service provided by Virgin. I’ll give Virgin their due however, their totally unlimited 20mb broadband connection from about 5 years ago was a fantastic service. The best broadband package I’ve ever had. Brilliant upload and download speeds at all times, well brilliant when compared to other speeds on the market at the time. This was the last time I truly felt like Virgin offered a service with no usage restrictions in anyway.
in the 10 years of Broadband I've been with VM, NTL and not once have I had cause to moan about the speed of the BB i've never been managed/speed restricted and to be honest it's a good job because we have very little option where we are, BT, SKY or whoever else you care to mention that provides a service via a phone line and even BT's fibre network is complete pants my next door neighbour has Infinity on BT fibre and his max speed is 2.4ghz he used to get 1.1ghz before :shocked:
Maybe I've just been lucky, doesn't matter who your with at the end of the day if your provider provides the service that you require that's all that anyone wants

denphone 10-06-2013 16:55
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582273)
But a point you seem to not want to understand; a capped VM 30meg connection is faster than most sky BB connections; yours included.

I don't see VM hiding the fact that that capping is part of the service and at a guess, I would say that the vast majority of users don't even encounter capping.
My connection works very smoothly but there again l don't download copious amounts for hours upon end.

BexTech 10-06-2013 17:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582273)
But a point you seem to not want to understand; a capped VM 30meg connection is faster than most sky BB connections; yours included.

I don't see VM hiding the fact that that capping is part of the service and at a guess, I would say that the vast majority of users don't even encounter capping.

They may as well sell half the speed for the same price without throttling, works out more or less the same.

They just like the willy-waving headline speed.

colin25 10-06-2013 17:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BexTech (Post 35582291)
They may as well sell half the speed for the same price without throttling, works out more or less the same.

They just like the willy-waving headline speed.
It is a bit of..look how big mine is...though afterwards realising they have no where to put it :D

passingbat 10-06-2013 17:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BexTech (Post 35582291)
They may as well sell half the speed for the same price without throttling, works out more or less the same.

They just like the willy-waving headline speed.
It is a guess, but I would say most people get the full speed all the time. And even those who don't still gain from faster speeds for most of the time. So I see no point in what you propose; it would give a far lesser value service.

Mad Max 10-06-2013 17:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582298)
It is a guess, but I would say most people get the full speed all the time. And even those who don't still gain from faster speeds for most of the time. So I see no point in what you propose; it would give a far lesser value service.
I would agree with that, i have 100Mb and i honestly cannot say that i've been disappointed at any time when downloading, all seems pretty fast and stable, for me anyway.

Mr Banana 10-06-2013 17:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35582241)
They have their own fibre network don't they :confused: , they also have their own equipment installed in over 2,200 exchanges up and down the country , the only difference being they rely on Openreach for the last mile from the exchange to the customers house , this is a service Openreach provide on behalf of all LLU suppliers and the pricing is regulated. They also have wifi infrastructure thanks to its purchase of The Cloud which has its equipment at over 10,000 hotspots , they also have many data centres which provide the servers which house all their On Demand content for both Sky TV and Now TV so to suggest they have no infrastructure isn't quite true.
No, they have parts of a network that they inherited from easy net I think. The kit in the exchanges is theirs but they do not have a complete network and pay wholesale costs to BT and now buy capacity on VMs back haul network. You are right about the cloud though but the investment houses are looking at the core businesses rather than added benefits they may offer.

Not sure if you are allowed to copy and paste subscription based discussion documents?

It's interesting reading as it talks about movie makers bypassing Netflix, sky etc and creating their own stations via iptv

Arthurgray50@blu 10-06-2013 17:58
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I am now starting to get a bit peed off with everything, why doesn't VM come out and tell there customers what is happening.

This typical of VM. the PR is atrocious

Mad Max 10-06-2013 18:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35582315)
I am now starting to get a bit peed off with everything, why doesn't VM come out and tell there customers what is happening.

This typical of VM. the PR is atrocious
Maybe they don't have anything to tell us yet, negotiations can take a while!

denphone 10-06-2013 18:15
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35582315)
I am now starting to get a bit peed off with everything, why doesn't VM come out and tell there customers what is happening.

This typical of VM. the PR is atrocious
l am sure things will happen all in good time Arthur.

colin25 10-06-2013 18:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35582327)
l am sure things will happen all in good time Arthur.
yes, coming soon (cough cough) :D

BenMcr 10-06-2013 18:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35582322)
Maybe they don't have anything to tell us yet, negotiations can take a while!
Indeed.

muppetman11 10-06-2013 18:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35582313)
It's interesting reading as it talks about movie makers bypassing Netflix, sky etc and creating their own stations via iptv
Hope so that way I can drop my pay TV platform completely , view all my movies , HBO etc on an app via a cheap streaming unit , sadly can't see it happening anytime soon you only need to look at the American market for proof of that.

passingbat 10-06-2013 18:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35582313)

It's interesting reading as it talks about movie makers bypassing Netflix, sky etc and creating their own stations via iptv
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35582342)
Hope so that way I can drop my pay TV platform completely , view all my movies , HBO etc on an app via a cheap streaming unit , sadly can't see it happening anytime soon you only need to look at the American market for proof of that.

Yes, I'm looking forward to that day too. Can't come soon enough.


Leaving aside the cable Networks such as HBO, the US are reasonably well catered for in that respect. Netflix gives loads of older TV content (plus quite a bit of recent) and the free part of Hulu gives the past five current episodes from most of the Network TV stations; ABC, NBC etc. Hulu Plus gives full series episodes as well.

TMLeafs 10-06-2013 18:43
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anyone seen this

Quote:
More than a third of these revenues will come from Sky customers adding a BT subscription, the analysts added, while up to 31 per cent of turnover is expected to come from Virgin Media customers switching over.
31% of virgin TV customers is 1.17m. Source Oct 2012 VM TV base was 3.78 million

http://www.cityam.com/article/sky-we...ew-tv-rival-bt

denphone 10-06-2013 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TMLeafs (Post 35582348)
anyone seen this



31% of virgin TV customers is 1.17m. Source Oct 2012 VM TV base was 3.78 million

http://www.cityam.com/article/sky-we...ew-tv-rival-bt
A alarmist scenario if ever l saw one and one that is never going to happen.:nono:

---------- Post added at 18:57 ---------- Previous post was at 18:55 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35582329)
yes, coming soon (cough cough) :D
Oh dear you sound like one of those automated answerphones with the same answer arriving every time.;):D

colin25 10-06-2013 18:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35582361)
A alarmist scenario if ever l saw one and one that is never going to happen.:nono:

---------- Post added at 18:57 ---------- Previous post was at 18:55 ----------



Oh dear you sound like one of those automated answerphones with the same answer arriving every time.;):D
A virgin answer phone :D

TMLeafs 10-06-2013 18:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35582361)
A alarmist scenario if ever l saw one and one that is never going to happen.:nono:
I think there maths is very wrong only 500,000 sub to sky sports why would 1.7m move to get BT Sport

If they meant 3.1% that's 117,000 still very high

Chad 10-06-2013 19:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582273)
But a point you seem to not want to understand; a capped VM 30meg connection is faster than most sky BB connections; yours included.
I agree a capped VM 30mg connection will be faster than most SKY broadband connections, but it won't be faster than them all. At almost double the price of SKY's unlimited broadband, Virgins 30mb connection should be faster than every SKY broadband customers connection at all times.

Personally I'd rather pay £7.50 per month getting 15.5mb on an up to 18mb connection ahead of £14.50 per month for a 30mb connection and only getting 18mb once restrictions kick in.

The fact I'm getting my current broadband for just £3.75 with no limits, no shaping, no peer 2 peer speed reduction, no letters trying to tell me when to download, no need to install download monitoring software and no confusing usage policy appeals to me much more than a fluctuating connection costing me 4 times as much.

I do agree however that someone downloading for 24 hours on a Virgin 30mb connection will be able to download a fair bit more than I can over 24 hours on my 15.5mb connection.

Out of curiosty, by how much do Virgin throttle peer 2 peer and bit torrent? Is it 30% and it is only during peak times?

OLD BOY 10-06-2013 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TMLeafs (Post 35582348)
anyone seen this



31% of virgin TV customers is 1.17m. Source Oct 2012 VM TV base was 3.78 million

http://www.cityam.com/article/sky-we...ew-tv-rival-bt
All I can say is that someone has very high expectations if they expect that number of viewers migrating from VM.

Given that we don't know what VM will be offering, it seems very premature to be talking about an exodus to BT from VM!

---------- Post added at 19:59 ---------- Previous post was at 19:54 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35582315)
I am now starting to get a bit peed off with everything, why doesn't VM come out and tell there customers what is happening.

This typical of VM. the PR is atrocious
I don't understand your complaint, Arthur. They haven't done the deal yet, so there's nothing to tell.

The new service doesn't start until 1 August, so there's time a-plenty.

---------- Post added at 20:01 ---------- Previous post was at 19:59 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582273)
But a point you seem to not want to understand; a capped VM 30meg connection is faster than most sky BB connections; yours included.

I don't see VM hiding the fact that that capping is part of the service and at a guess, I would say that the vast majority of users don't even encounter capping.
Exactly what I was thinking, passingbat! I re-read his post a few times because I thought I'd missed something!

Given that Chad has opted for slower than 30 mg, the 'cap', if it exists, couldn't have been a problem, could it?

Chad, please explain yourself!

andy_m 10-06-2013 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TMLeafs (Post 35582348)
anyone seen this



31% of virgin TV customers is 1.17m. Source Oct 2012 VM TV base was 3.78 million

http://www.cityam.com/article/sky-we...ew-tv-rival-bt
Um, it's 31% of bt turnover, not Virgin TV customers. They're expecting a third of their turnover to come from Virgin customers switching, not a third of Virgin customers to switch. You know that, right?

Chad 10-06-2013 20:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35582422)
Exactly what I was thinking, passingbat! I re-read his post a few times because I thought I'd missed something!

Given that Chad has opted for slower than 30 mg, the 'cap', if it exists, couldn't have been a problem, could it?

Chad, please explain yourself!
Let me know what I can help with Old Boy and I'll do my best. I'm not 100% sure what I'm being asked to explain :confused: :D

passingbat 10-06-2013 20:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35582440)
Let me know what I can help with Old Boy and I'll do my best. I'm not 100% sure what I'm being asked to explain :confused: :D

Maybe why you are getting so hung up about VM's BB capping when it probably affects only a small proportion of users, doesn't stop you from downloading as much as you want, and is faster, even when capped, than most Sky BB connections?


Your apparent obsession with it confuses me. You chose Sky and are happy; others choose VM and are happy; what is the problem?

Chad 10-06-2013 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582445)
Maybe why you are getting so hung up about VM's BB capping when it probably affects only a small proportion of users, doesn't stop you from downloading as much as you want, and is faster, even when capped, than most Sky BB connections?

Your apparent obsession with it confuses me. You chose Sky and are happy; others choose VM and are happy; what is the problem?
I'm simply explaining my views and opinions about SKY broadband, just like you are about Virgins 30mb connection. I'd say we were having a healthy informed discussion, which I was enjoying, until you started to accuse me of being hung up, obsessed and having a problem.

Whilst I might not agree with your point of view, I do respect your thoughts on the subject. Sadly I'm not feeling that respect in return.

Out of curiosity, do you work for Virgin?

Arthurgray50@blu 10-06-2013 21:11
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Hi Madmax, It absolutely ridiculous to think that they don't have anything to say yet, l think they are waiting to see what happens. BUT, VM should at least them them know that BT Sports will be on the system by testing the channels, such as Sky are doing.

This is very typical of VM to keeps it customers waiting.

Mr Banana 10-06-2013 21:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35582457)
Hi Madmax, It absolutely ridiculous to think that they don't have anything to say yet, l think they are waiting to see what happens. BUT, VM should at least them them know that BT Sports will be on the system by testing the channels, such as Sky are doing.

This is very typical of VM to keeps it customers waiting.
Arthur they haven't done a deal with Sky, they have an epg slot and they will be selling it direct to Sky customers. Anyone taking BT sports on Sky will get a bill from BT.

Virgin don't want to go that route and want to be a reseller of BT sports. BTs marketing guy John Petter was interviewed today and actually said that they are still in discussion with VM but no deal had been done as yet.

Really don't understand what you don't get about this situation?

passingbat 10-06-2013 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35582454)
Out of curiosity, do you work for Virgin?
No I don't work for VM.


I just find this bringing up of capped speeds as a 'problem' crazy.

If the capping caused problems, then fair enough. but they don't.

They do not prevent people downloading as much as they want. Capped VM speeds are faster than most other BB speeds. VM do not hide the fact that they exist and I personally believe that the vast majority of people are not affected by them.


You refered to VM BB as:

Quote:
The big problem is the 30mb connection has really tight usage restrictions

And this simply isn't the case.

Chad 10-06-2013 22:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582473)
No I don't work for VM.
Just wondering as you seem to know your stuff and your passionate about it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582473)
I just find this bringing up of capped speeds as a 'problem' crazy.
I suppose it comes down to what your opinion on the subject is. I think that people not having a problem with this is crazy :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582473)
If the capping caused problems, then fair enough. but they don't.
Again it's all about opinion. There will be hundreds of thousands of Virgin broadband who never suffer capping. For me personally it was a problem when I had Virgin broadband. I wasn't happy with the speeds I was getting through the day, due to my usage of the service, in reflection to what I was paying.

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582473)
They do not prevent people downloading as much as they want. Capped VM speeds are faster than most other BB speeds. VM do not hide the fact that they exist and I personally believe that the vast majority of people are not affected by them.
It's a good point I can't argue with.


Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35582473)
You refered to VM BB as:

The big problem is the 30mb connection has really tight usage restrictions

And this simply isn't the case.
Again it's all about personal opinion. When I was having financial issues I moved from 100mb to 30mb for a short period. The download limits and speed restrictions for me where a problem and difficult to get used to. I suppose coming down from 100mb might have exaggerated my perception of the issue.

When it comes right down to it each and every customer will decide what is right for them. What I view as a problem, others might find acceptable and visa versa.

Doug P 11-06-2013 10:57
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If BT won't play ball then there is little VM can do.

Arthurgray50@blu 11-06-2013 15:31
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VM should be looking after there customers, and giving there customers up to date info of whats happening.

We are going to have the whole scenario with Sky all over again - except this time it will be BT. The customer is going to end up paying for it, so l cannot see why VM wont play ball.

BenMcr 11-06-2013 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35582705)
VM should be looking after there customers, and giving there customers up to date info of whats happening.

We are going to have the whole scenario with Sky all over again - except this time it will be BT. The customer is going to end up paying for it, so l cannot see why VM wont play ball.
Virgin will give updates, when there are updates.

The current situation is on www.virginmedia.com/btsport

andy_m 11-06-2013 16:00
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The June update assures you that you'll keep ESPN until the end of the current football season! Seriously, who writes this stuff?

Doug P 11-06-2013 18:07
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True but you cannot argue with Ben's point that there will be updates when there are updates!

andy_m 11-06-2013 18:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35582776)
True but you cannot argue with Ben's point that there will be updates when there are updates!
I actually think that depends - if they manage a deal I'm sure they'll be shouting from the roof tips, but if they don't it'll be in their interests to keep quiet for as long as possible.

DaMac 11-06-2013 18:36
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Why can't bt not get a slot on virgins epg, charge us, then pay VM an upkeep? If it is good enough for sky then why not us? Cable companies the world over allow local access, it doesn't seem to be too technical to do.

bubblegun 11-06-2013 20:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35582791)
Why can't bt not get a slot on virgins epg, charge us, then pay VM an upkeep?
Virgin wouldn't want to do this as it would mean opening-up precise details of their customer base to a direct competitor which would be crazy. BT could then specifically target just those customers to switch.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35582791)
If it is good enough for sky then why not us? Cable companies the world over allow local access, it doesn't seem to be too technical to do.
I don't think that's the issue. BT will (probably) be looking for full retail value for each customer on the Virgin network like they will get on the Sky platform and I am sure Virgin have a policy of not selling channels on their platform without a certain % profit margin. So the ongoing negotiations will be over who gives up what?

BenMcr 11-06-2013 22:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35582791)
If it is good enough for sky then why not us?
Have a feeling Sky wouldn't do it if they weren't forced to.

coulsontom 11-06-2013 22:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubblegun (Post 35582843)
I don't think that's the issue. BT will (probably) be looking for full retail value for each customer on the Virgin network like they will get on the Sky platform and I am sure Virgin have a policy of not selling channels on their platform without a certain % profit margin. So the ongoing negotiations will be over who gives up what?
Agree. Which is why Sky sports and movies is more expensive on virgin than sky.

But virgin would be mad to charge more for BT than BT are doing on Sky platform.

They'd be better off not making anything off it, because they'd lose out elsewhere.

BexTech 11-06-2013 23:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35582888)
Have a feeling Sky wouldn't do it if they weren't forced to.
Yes, they are only forced to allow anyone who wants an EPG number to be offered one.

Sky don't own any satellites, so the broadcasters go to the satellite owners (Astra or Eutelsat) to lease capacity. (This for other members, who don't know how things work with satellite or think Sky own satellites etc)

Hence BT are bypassing Sky for everything except for EPG slots.

denphone 12-06-2013 05:56
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ASA mulls BT Sport investigation following Sky and TalkTalk complaints.

http://www.cable.co.uk/news/asa-mull...nts-801597494/

Doug P 12-06-2013 10:15
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I went online and chatted to BT yesterday. Basically "Michael" had no time for me as a possible customer and was unwilling to explain the options in any coherent way at all.

Also had to drag the contract and upgrade charges out of him as well as the fact the sport is free for only one year.

Not impressed.

Jameseh 12-06-2013 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35583009)
I went online and chatted to BT yesterday. Basically "Michael" had no time for me as a possible customer and was unwilling to explain the options in any coherent way at all.

Also had to drag the contract and upgrade charges out of him as well as the fact the sport is free for only one year.

Not impressed.
The sport is free always, its the HD that is £3 a year.

Chad 12-06-2013 12:42
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35582960)
ASA mulls BT Sport investigation following Sky and TalkTalk complaints.

http://www.cable.co.uk/news/asa-mull...nts-801597494/
I'm sure I read yesterday ASA have received 33 complaints in total from various parties regarding "free BT Sports".

Doug P 12-06-2013 14:19
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35583044)
The sport is free always, its the HD that is £3 a year.
I have the transcription. He said there will be charging for sport after one year free. HD sport was NOT mentioned.

Now he may well be wrong as he was pretty useless, but it is enough for me to rule out BT full stop.

colin25 12-06-2013 15:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35583068)
I have the transcription. He said there will be charging for sport after one year free. HD sport was NOT mentioned.

Now he may well be wrong as he was pretty useless, but it is enough for me to rule out BT full stop.
My understanding is that at present you are only guaranteed 1 year free BT sport, and you get free HD if ordered before 1 august (else that is £3).

Nothing has been said about future.

If they charged, I'm not sure what I would do, but would certainly drop BT broadband

coulsontom 12-06-2013 16:56
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
It's quite clear in that it says it's free on BT Broadband. But that the HD for £3 is just free if you order before 1st August for the 1st year.

It is clear that they will not charge BT Broadband customers next year. However, they can always increase prices, start charging if they wish to.

However, that is definitely not the policy as it stands. Or if it is, their customer service team will not know that it is.

Media Boy UK 12-06-2013 17:02
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
BT Sport wins exclusive rights to Steve Gerrard's testimonial match.

Steven Gerrard's testimonial match will be screened exclusively live in the UK and Ireland by BT Sport on August 3rd.

http://www.cable.co.uk/news/bt-sport...tch-801598074/

colin25 12-06-2013 17:15
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35583134)
BT Sport wins exclusive rights to Steve Gerrard's testimonial match.

Steven Gerrard's testimonial match will be screened exclusively live in the UK and Ireland by BT Sport on August 3rd.

http://www.cable.co.uk/news/bt-sport...tch-801598074/
OMG, what will Den do? :D

Sirius 12-06-2013 17:19
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35583134)
BT Sport wins exclusive rights to Steve Gerrard's testimonial match.

Steven Gerrard's testimonial match will be screened exclusively live in the UK and Ireland by BT Sport on August 3rd.

http://www.cable.co.uk/news/bt-sport...tch-801598074/
There's not going to be a lot watching that legally then :D

nstokes 12-06-2013 17:19
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583142)
OMG, what will Den do? :D
He will have to hide in a corner and cry at not being able to watch it live on his Tivo :D:D

colin25 12-06-2013 17:26
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35583145)
He will have to hide in a corner and cry at not being able to watch it live on his Tivo :D:D
We could open up a thread...and tell him the highlights as they happen :)

denphone 12-06-2013 17:36
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583142)
OMG, what will Den do? :D
Oh don't worry about me dear chap as there is more then one way to skin a cat.:)

---------- Post added at 17:34 ---------- Previous post was at 17:32 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35583145)
He will have to hide in a corner and cry at not being able to watch it live on his Tivo :D:D
Perhaps Sirius can lend me some of his tissues as he is likely to need quite a few in time one reckons.;)

---------- Post added at 17:36 ---------- Previous post was at 17:34 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583148)
We could open up a thread...and tell him the highlights as they happen :)
Preferably in English please as l find it hard to understand your type of diction.;)

Arthurgray50@blu 12-06-2013 20:07
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
I was going through Sky Sports channels to see about BT Sports, and came across two channels that l didn't know exist.

I always thought that Sky Sports Extra was part of sports 3, so where did Sports 4 come from.

andy_m 12-06-2013 20:24
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Bt have always been clear that the free channels would be for the first year - certainly I've always been aware that this is the case.

spiderplant 12-06-2013 20:37
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35583267)
I always thought that Sky Sports Extra was part of sports 3, so where did Sports 4 come from.
"On 6 January 2010, Sky Sports Xtra was renamed Sky Sports 4"

source

coulsontom 12-06-2013 20:42
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
There is a sky sports extra channel on sky and accessible via the website that shows for eg. some la liga games etc...

kop32 13-06-2013 10:50
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
[QUOTE=denphone;35583154]Oh don't worry about me dear chap as there is more then one way to skin a cat.:)[COLOR="Silver"]

You are more than welcome to come and watch it live at my house Den:)

denphone 13-06-2013 11:08
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
[QUOTE=kop32;35583457]
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35583154)
Oh don't worry about me dear chap as there is more then one way to skin a cat.:)[COLOR="Silver"]

You are more than welcome to come and watch it live at my house Den:)
As long as you pay for the train ticket.:Yes:

kop32 13-06-2013 11:28
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
[QUOTE=denphone;35583465]
Quote:
Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35583457)

As long as you pay for the train ticket.:Yes:
Den,as it's you I would even pick you up!:)

colin25 13-06-2013 14:14
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
[QUOTE=kop32;35583474]
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35583465)

Den,as it's you I would even pick you up!:)
You heard it here lads...cable forum party at Kop's house :D

nstokes 13-06-2013 14:21
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
[QUOTE=colin25;35583526]
Quote:
Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35583474)

You heard it here lads...cable forum party at Kop's house :D
Ill bring the Liverpool shirts...they will be covered in poo thou and half burnt but ill bring them :D:D:D

denphone 13-06-2013 14:37
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
[QUOTE=colin25;35583526]
Quote:
Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35583474)

You heard it here lads...cable forum party at Kop's house :D
You put your right foot in,
You put your right foot out,
You put your right foot in
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your left foot in,
You put your left foot out,
You put your left foot in,
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your right hand in,
You put your right hand out,
You put your right hand in
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your left hand in,
You put your left hand out,
You put your left hand in,
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your right shoulder in,
You put your right shoulder out,
You put your right shoulder in,
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your left shoulder in,
You put your left shoulder out,
You put your left shoulder in,
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your right hip in,
You put your right hip out,
You put your right hip in
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your left hip in,
You put your left hip out,
You put your left hip in,
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your whole self in,
You put your whole self out,
You put your whole self in
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Pokey
And you turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.


:cleader::cleader::beer::beer::drunk::drunk:

Jameseh 13-06-2013 14:49
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Ruddy drunks at 2pm...

kop32 13-06-2013 15:18
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
[QUOTE=colin25;35583526]
Quote:
Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35583474)

You heard it here lads...cable forum party at Kop's house :D
Damn,I thought I PM'd that.......:dozey:

---------- Post added at 15:18 ---------- Previous post was at 15:16 ----------

[QUOTE=colin25;35583526]
Quote:
Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35583474)

You heard it here lads...cable forum party at Kop's house :D
There again,it may be the only time you VM stalwarts get to watch BT Sports HD.........:D:D:D

johnasimmons 13-06-2013 16:18
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583526)
There again,it may be the only time you VM stalwarts get to watch BT Sports HD.........:D:D:D
I think you are right :(

andy_m 13-06-2013 18:10
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
[QUOTE=nstokes;35583532]
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583526)

Ill bring the Liverpool shirts...they will be covered in poo thou and half burnt but ill bring them :D:D:D
I haven't got a Liverpool shirt but my Gran knitted me a jumper at Christmas that could pass for the change strip - so count me in!

nstokes 13-06-2013 18:14
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35583678)

I haven't got a Liverpool shirt but my Gran knitted me a jumper at Christmas that could pass for the change strip - so count me in!
You have to make sure it has poo on it and if you can burn it dont worry i will do it for you :)

colin25 13-06-2013 18:15
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35583679)
You have to make sure it has poo on it and if you can burn it dont worry i will do it for you :)
Personally, I always bring my own poo, but maybe that is just me :D

nstokes 13-06-2013 18:17
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583680)
Personally, I always bring my own poo, but maybe that is just me :D
I only bring it when i hear the word Liverpool :D

colin25 13-06-2013 18:19
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35583682)
I only bring it when i hear the word Liverpool :D
You must be thinking about the 70s..when lots pooed themselves when liverpool were coming :)

kop32 13-06-2013 19:34
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583685)
You must be thinking about the 70s..when lots pooed themselves when liverpool were coming :)
Hmmm,let me see,Crystal Palace,Nottingham and Edinburgh....and you lot have the audacity to ridicule the Mighty Reds......:)

andrewbrown 13-06-2013 19:43
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583685)
You must be thinking about the 70s..when lots pooed themselves when liverpool were coming :)
In the 1970's we had white poo...

colin25 13-06-2013 19:51
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35583730)
Hmmm,let me see,Crystal Palace,Nottingham and Edinburgh....and you lot have the audacity to ridicule the Mighty Reds......:)
Merely teasing the old timer remembering the old days...when men were men..and some women were too :D

andy_m 13-06-2013 19:59
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35583730)
Hmmm,let me see,Crystal Palace,Nottingham and Edinburgh....and you lot have the audacity to ridicule the Mighty Reds......:)
He he - fair point!

denphone 13-06-2013 20:03
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35583739)
Merely teasing the old timer remembering the old days...when men were men..and some women were too :D
Are you feeling alright today.:)

Media Boy UK 14-06-2013 13:03
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Darts On ITV4 New Deals!!!

THE PDC are delighted to announce a new, three-year contract with ITV which will see them broadcast the PartyPoker.net European Championship and Cash Converters Players Championship finals as well as the UK Open and a new event, The Masters.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...53&postcount=1

johnasimmons 14-06-2013 14:26
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35583976)
Darts On ITV4 New Deals!!!

THE PDC are delighted to announce a new, three-year contract with ITV which will see them broadcast the PartyPoker.net European Championship and Cash Converters Players Championship finals as well as the UK Open and a new event, The Masters.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...53&postcount=1
nice one! Cheers MB :)

About time we got some news about BT Sport from VM, I subscribed to their emaily-thingy nearly 2 months ago...

denphone 14-06-2013 14:40
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35584006)
nice one! Cheers MB :)

About time we got some news about BT Sport from VM, I subscribed to their emaily-thingy nearly 2 months ago...
End of the month l reckon but don't bet your mortgage on that.

johnasimmons 14-06-2013 14:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35584013)
End of the month l reckon but don't bet your mortgage on that.
Good job I ain't a gambling man then Den ;)

Doug P 14-06-2013 14:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
I'll pay two pounds and a packet of Co-Op mature cheese slices per month if pushed for BT!

Gavin-D 14-06-2013 16:57
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Sky adds free broadband to sports package as BT battle heats up

Sky has bundled in a free broadband subscription for Sky Sports subscribers to fend off competition from BT.

BT Sport launched a similar package last month that includes access to 38 exclusive Premier League matches per season.

The broadcaster has responded by offering new and existing customers 12 months' free Sky Broadband Unlimited or six months' free Sky Fibre Unlimited when they adopt them as service provider.

Despite analysts predicting a price war between the two companies, both have announced plans to increase their prices, with Sky upping the costs of its TV services on September 1 and BT charging more for line rental.

"Since we launched broadband in 2006, millions of customers have saved money and got a better service by switching to Sky. Now we're making it even more affordable to enjoy totally unlimited broadband, including Britain's best value super-fast connection," said Sky marketing executive Stephen van Rooyen.

Sky Broadband is less than half the price paid by millions of BT customers, who can save up to £200 by switching.

"For sports fans, there is no need to compromise on your TV service. Sky Sports comes not only with an unrivalled range of live action, including more Barclays Premier League than ever, but the best deal for totally unlimited broadband as well."

Sky Sports subscribers can access 116 exclusive live Premier League matches next season.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...#ixzz2WCsRtarY

BenMcr 14-06-2013 17:00
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35582173)
Very interesting. The Telegraph could end up with egg on their face. The story is being run by the likes of Reuters and Yahoo. Everyone running the story are quoting Telegraph as the source.
Or not?

Doug P 14-06-2013 17:04
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
The Telegraph seem to have got it bang on. BT have hacked off DTT sport subscribers, are looking like they will hack off VM sport subscribers and they have definitely annoyed BSkyB.

Chad 14-06-2013 17:10
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35584062)
Or not?
:D

denphone 14-06-2013 17:17
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Oh dear Chad's in trouble again.:D

paultrademark 14-06-2013 18:43
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Oh well just down to see what VM do now, which is looking more likely that they will not have BT Sports for the next year/season anyway.

Arthurgray50@blu 14-06-2013 20:04
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
I had a phone call from BT, today regarding BT Sport, don't know how but then reliased that l am on the ESPN newletter list.

Come on VM get your act together and get BT Sport or l go over to Sky.

johnasimmons 14-06-2013 20:19
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
I got the BT call this evening - the rep said that VirginMedia are not getting BT Sport and I need to get it via them by changing over my broadband to BT Infinity - either a sales pitch or the truth...

Chad 14-06-2013 20:21
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35584069)
Oh dear Chad's in trouble again.:D
The crystal ball is on the blink again :D

denphone 14-06-2013 20:24
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35584157)
I got the BT call this evening - the rep said that VirginMedia are not getting BT Sport and I need to get it via them by changing over my broadband to BT Infinity - either a sales pitch or the truth...
Only my opinion but l think they are talking bull.

Chad 14-06-2013 20:28
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
The recent moves by BT and SKY could be good for Virgin Media customers. I fully expect Virgin to join the fight with their unique offer. Still not a price war as such but a good time to be out of contract.

johnasimmons 14-06-2013 20:29
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35584164)
Only my opinion but l think they are talking bull.
So do I

denphone 14-06-2013 20:32
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35584167)
The recent moves by BT and SKY could be good for Virgin Media customers. I fully expect Virgin to join the fight with their unique offer. Still not a price war as such but a good time to be out of contract.
l think all will be revealed in the next 2 to 3 weeks.

Mad Max 14-06-2013 20:39
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35584169)
l think all will be revealed in the next 2 to 3 weeks.

Or, coming soon.........:D


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