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Damien 18-03-2010 13:41
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I fully support the above draw :D

Shadow Demon UK 18-03-2010 15:08
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I would like to get Arsenal, an easy route through again ;) :D

Seriously though, i wouldn't complain if we got Munich.

Acidphire21 18-03-2010 15:13
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you guys would as id have Munich beating united ;)
Arsenal (Just scraping past Lyon)
Bordeux getting through
Inter betting barca,

give us a CL semi and final of Different teams for a change.

colin25 18-03-2010 19:43
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kudos to fulham..I thought they were out of it..but they are looking good

and zamora..impressed

Damien 18-03-2010 20:44
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Come on FULHAM! :D

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Fulham 4 Juventus 1 !!!!! Amazing!

Shadow Demon UK 18-03-2010 20:46
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What a goal from Dempsey, top class.

Acidphire21 18-03-2010 20:46
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Come on Fulham :D its proof to all the "smaller" clubs (sunderland included) that you can stay within your means and still do well in europe :)

Niles Crane 18-03-2010 20:52
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Well done Fulham, a brilliant achievement. What a great goal from Dempsey to win it!

Damien 18-03-2010 20:53
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They have only gone and done it!! Fulham 4 - Juventus 1 ! Fulham go though! Overturning a 3 -1 deficit in the first leg! Amazing night for Fulham!

Russ 18-03-2010 20:55
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I bet some of the 'big boys' would have trouble overturning a deficit like that against Juventus - well done indeed :)

Shadow Demon UK 18-03-2010 20:58
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Roy Hodgson must be the best manager around at the moment, what he's done for that club in the past couple of years is nothing short of incredible.

superbiatch 18-03-2010 21:02
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Well done Fulham!! :)

Niles Crane 18-03-2010 21:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34982706)
Roy Hodgson must be the best manager around at the moment, what he's done for that club in the past couple of years is nothing short of incredible.
Indeed. It also further highlights the fallacy in some of the justification for the kick and rush, "they don't like it up em" style used by Pulis, Allardyce, etc.

Damien 18-03-2010 21:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34982728)
Indeed. It also further highlights the fallacy in some of the justification for the kick and rush, "they don't like it up em" style used by Pulis, Allardyce, etc.
Indeed. Spurs as well are a team that try to play nice football as well. Can't stand Allardyce, Don't mind Pulis though. Coyle and Morbrey deserve honorable mentions as well.

Niles Crane 18-03-2010 21:28
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeL1DXp-PuU

What a beautiful goal!

Damien 19-03-2010 09:50
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New Spurs DVD out:

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._4919200_n.jpg

Acidphire21 19-03-2010 10:25
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bloody hell! thats an old un!

still funny though :D

Damien 19-03-2010 12:19
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Aghh Arsenal vs Barcelona! Whereas United take on Munich. The winner of that match goes and plays the winner of Lyon vs Bordeaux. United have a relatively easy route to the final. Arsenal would need to beat Barcelona AND (presumably) Inter Milan.

Russ 19-03-2010 12:25
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We've only got it easy if Rooney's fit.

Acidphire21 19-03-2010 12:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acidphire21 (Post 34982372)
i dont know why but id like (from a neutrals point of view:

Inter Milan v Barcelona
Lyon v Arsenal
Bordeaux v CSKA Moscow
Bayern Munich v Man Utd

:D
well i supposed one out of 4 aint bad :)

Damien 19-03-2010 12:41
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Oh well. If Arsenal win the Champions League they are going to have to work for it.

Turkey Machine 19-03-2010 12:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34982103)
United: anybody but Barcelona. Arsenal: Barcelona for the revenge of the 2006 final.
Don't say I didn't tell you. ;)


Good draw that, should produce some really good football. Hopefully Arsenal can match up to Barcelona, although I'd have preferred that they had the 2nd leg at home, not away. Bayern-United looks like a cracker - 11 year revenge anybody? :)

Acidphire21 19-03-2010 13:10
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the man u fans i know are already saying its a banker into the semis, Bayern are alot better thant they get credit for!

Damien 19-03-2010 13:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34982966)
Don't say I didn't tell you. ;)


Good draw that, should produce some really good football. Hopefully Arsenal can match up to Barcelona, although I'd have preferred that they had the 2nd leg at home, not away. Bayern-United looks like a cracker - 11 year revenge anybody? :)
Yeah people are talking up Munich for some reason, as they did with AC Milian. I think the press like underestimating United's chances so they can write a 'what a result!' story. They like a underdog after all. United should find both games quite comfortable. They they face one of the French teams, it will be a major upset if they don't reach the final.

Shadow Demon UK 19-03-2010 13:34
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That was pretty much the exact draw i was hoping for. No games are easy at this stage of the competition, but i'm glad we've avoided Barca and Inter. Good to have the first leg away against Bayern as well.

Mal 19-03-2010 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34982954)
Aghh Arsenal vs Barcelona! Whereas United take on Munich. The winner of that match goes and plays the winner of Lyon vs Bordeaux. United have a relatively easy route to the final. Arsenal would need to beat Barcelona AND (presumably) Inter Milan.
Are we going to be hearing some conspiracy theory of Utd fixing the draw?

Damien 19-03-2010 13:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34982997)
Are we going to be hearing some conspiracy theory of Utd fixing the draw?
No. But it is an (relatively) easy draw. That's the way it goes.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34982958)
We've only got it easy if Rooney's fit.
This Rooney hype is getting stupid and no doubt powered in part by the fact it's a world cup year. He is a great player and in-form but United are not a one man team, and he is not alone the reason they are in the title race. Stupid press hype. It's rubbish.

Look at the Fulham game, He gets on the end of the goals. However Nani and Donkey were far more influential on the overall game. Excellent passing, Excellent Playmaking, yet Rooney is the one who gets all the credit the next day.

Mal 19-03-2010 14:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34982999)
No. But it is an (relatively) easy draw. That's the way it goes.
It could easily have been your draw, but it wasn't, so no use contemplating over things that aren't to be.

Damien 19-03-2010 14:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34983018)
It could easily have been your draw, but it wasn't, so no use contemplating over things that aren't to be.
:confused:

I am just commenting it's a handy draw for United. I can contemplate over that if I want. I certainly would have taken it!

Mal 19-03-2010 14:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34983021)
:confused:

I am just commenting it's a handy draw for United. I can contemplate over that if I want. I certainly would have taken it!
Why the confused smiley? I meant what is done is done and nothing can change it.

I am trying to head off the usual moans about how utd alsays get it easy and it's fixed somehow.

superbiatch 19-03-2010 14:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34983049)
I am trying to head off the usual moans about how utd alsays get it easy and it's fixed somehow.
I think Damien was too Mal - reading with an obective opinion ;)

Damien 19-03-2010 15:24
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I think I am going to have nightmares of Messi running at Sol Campbell.

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In some ways I am really liking this draw. I really like Barcelona, what's not to like after all. Great Team, Great Attitude, Great Spirit.

If we beat Barcelona then bring on anyone, it'll be great. If we don't, then there is little shame to losing to, what I believe, the greatest football team in the world right now. It will hopefully be a great game! Plus I shall obtain one of those scarfs they do with one side Arsenal, the Other Barcelona.

danielf 19-03-2010 15:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34983062)

In some ways I am really liking this draw. I really like Barcelona, what's not to like after all. Great Team, Great Attitude, Great Spirit.

If we beat Barcelona then bring on anyone, it'll be great. If we don't, then there is little shame to losing to, what I believe, the greatest football team in the world right now. It will hopefully be a great game! Plus I shall obtain one of those scarfs they do with one side Arsenal, the Other Barcelona.
It should be a good game, but as much as I'd like to, I don't fancy Arsenal's chances winning this over 2 legs.

Mal 19-03-2010 15:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34983052)
I think Damien was too Mal - reading with an obective opinion ;)
not really ;)

Damien 19-03-2010 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34983075)
It should be a good game, but as much as I'd like to, I don't fancy Arsenal's chances winning this over 2 legs.
Me either. You would be crazy to suggest Arsenal are anything but underdogs. However I reckon Arsenal will be up for it. Similar teams in many respects (expect Barcelona are better). Both teams will attack home and away though because it's all either knows how to do. I hope we keep it close rather than get destroyed though.

Bring. It. On!

NoKnowledge 20-03-2010 14:04
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I'm sick of games ending in draws - winners and losers should clearly be separated.

New rule if a game ends in a draw

After 90 minutes, each team gets a point,
immediately to penalties and the winner gets a extra point for winning on penalties

I think this will also help England when they reach semi finals in national competions as they tend to go out on penalties :D

TheDaddy 20-03-2010 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34983598)
I think this will also help England when they reach semi finals in national competions as they tend to go out on penalties :D
How will it help, won't be English players taking the pens :(

NoKnowledge 20-03-2010 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34983636)
How will it help, won't be English players taking the pens :(
Its a numbers thing

Damien 21-03-2010 13:38
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Just saw highlights of Stoke vs Spurs game. They sure do like to kick teams off the park!

Acidphire21 21-03-2010 13:43
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they have been doing it for years but apparently its "Honest football" :S

NoKnowledge 21-03-2010 13:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34984019)
Just saw highlights of Stoke vs Spurs game. They sure do like to kick teams off the park!
I didn't see the h/lights, which team you talkin' 'bout?

TheDaddy 21-03-2010 14:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34984019)
Just saw highlights of Stoke vs Spurs game. They sure do like to kick teams off the park!
Come on though it's only the Spuds, I'd kick 'em outta shear principal....

Damien 21-03-2010 15:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34984031)
I didn't see the h/lights, which team you talkin' 'bout?
Well Stoke.

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Glen Johnson is doing pretty crap

Russ 21-03-2010 16:36
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W00t w00t! Thanks for the 3 points scousers :-D

I always thought deliberately defacing the pitch was a bookable offence and thought Torres should have been yellow-carded for his reaction to the penalty when he gouged out the penalty spot.

Damien 21-03-2010 16:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34984107)
W00t w00t! Thanks for the 3 points scousers :-D

I always thought deliberately defacing the pitch was a bookable offence and thought Torres should have been yellow-carded for his reaction to the penalty when he gouged out the penalty spot.
Don't think it should have been a penalty though. However since the ref did decide it was a penalty he should have produced a red card, Arsenal were treated to a red card for pretty much nothing yesterday.

Russ 21-03-2010 16:44
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It was definitely a foul though - the first time I saw it I thought it looked just outside the box but on the replay from another angle you can see the ref got it just right.

Damien 21-03-2010 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34984113)
It was definitely a foul though - the first time I saw it I thought it looked just outside the box but on the replay from another angle you can see the ref got it just right.
Was a foul but not an especially bad one. Occurred outside the box. It was soft anyway. Oh well, you win some and you lose some. I wouldn't complain if Arsenal were awarded it!

I hope Park gets the credit he deserves but I have a feeling tomorrow's coverage will focus on Rooney again.

Russ 21-03-2010 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34984115)
Occurred outside the box.
I don't think it did. The replay from the opposite side showed it was just less than a foot inside the box.

Damien 21-03-2010 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34984116)
I don't think it did. The replay from the opposite side showed it was just less than a foot inside the box.
I thought he feel inside the box but the foul had started before they entered?

Russ 21-03-2010 16:51
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It's hard to tell from the main angle but one of the replays showed contact took place just in the box. Mind you, a thousand scousers would tell you otherwise ;)

Damien 21-03-2010 16:56
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Can't see Liverpool finishing 4th now. 2 points behind City (if City win at Fulham, they are 2-0 up at time of writing) and City have two games in hand. 4 points behind Spurs will have one game in hand.

Shadow Demon UK 21-03-2010 16:59
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I see the ladyboy has learnt a lot in his time with Liverpool, cheating git. I hope that bobble for the chance he had at the end happened because of what he did in the first half, serves him right :)

Damien 21-03-2010 17:15
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Did anyone else like Sky's attempts to hype the Chelsea game as a 'big match' and a 'difficult test'?

Arthurgray50@blu 21-03-2010 20:33
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I don't care what anyone say's Rooney and Drogba are divers, some of the antics of both these players today were appalling, and the referee let it go, anyone else would have been in the book or even sent off.:mad:

Russ 21-03-2010 20:36
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Instead the ref gave them 5 minutes of overtime ;)

Mal 21-03-2010 21:24
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This thread wouldn't be complete without one of Arthur's outburst's about divers ;)

Damien 21-03-2010 21:38
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It's very tight at the top now!

Arthurgray50@blu 22-03-2010 17:08
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So can someone tell me if Rooney or Drogba didn't fall over and deserve the Oscar.

Russ 22-03-2010 17:12
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Arthur - had United been 2-1 down and the referee added 5 minutes of extra time wouldn't you be moaning about "Old Trafford overtime" etc as you have done in the past?

Why aren't you accusing the ref of adding 5 minutes to give Liverpool a chance to equalise?

Mal 22-03-2010 17:47
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when did rooney 'fall over'?

Damien 22-03-2010 18:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34984883)
when did rooney 'fall over'?
He did, sometime in the second half, little if any contact. Not given though.

Mal 22-03-2010 18:17
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oh well, better get the gallows ready then

Damien 22-03-2010 23:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34984922)
oh well, better get the gallows ready then
No need. He's English.

Anyway this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sLSkbo7cpo vs Sol Campbell. I think I want to cry.

Arthurgray50@blu 22-03-2010 23:56
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Too me Referee's do not have any consistancecy what so ever, referee's are scared in case they get any aggro to deal with, take Howard Webb for example, he is supposed to be a top quality ref, but he failed to give too blatant penalties at the weekend,.

Mal 23-03-2010 21:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34985245)
No need. He's English.

Anyway this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sLSkbo7cpo vs Sol Campbell. I think I want to cry.
At least your cool with that then ;)

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Football threads now always get dragged into some bloody tedious whinge about divers. Talk about the football people.

Damien 23-03-2010 21:44
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If a mod wants to remove that YouTube link. It was a video of Messi's 2nd goal at the weekend.

NoKnowledge 23-03-2010 22:26
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No need, the Youtube mods have done it for you

theres a link in this news piece anyways

Damien 23-03-2010 22:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34986034)
No need, the Youtube mods have done it for you

theres a link in this news piece anyways
Sid Lowe is a great football writer! He is also on the Guardian's Football Weekly Podcast which is also very good.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rK6vyUQ6kQ

nffc 24-03-2010 00:11
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w00t 12 straight home wins, club record. :)

Shadow Demon UK 24-03-2010 21:03
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Quote:
Manchester United has confirmed it is freezing ticket prices next season.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8585755.stm


Looks like the protests are doing some good...

Damien 24-03-2010 23:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34986695)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8585755.stm


Looks like the protests are doing some good...
Yup! The Glazers covered the difference with the sale of Green and Gold Scarfs :D

Russ 24-03-2010 23:25
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Unless the Glaziers have got a LOT more planned then I can't see this changing anyone's opinion of them.

Niles Crane 25-03-2010 02:52
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Everton are now 7 points off 4th place and only 3 points behind Liverpool. It would be great if they snatched the last CL spot, at least finished above Liverpool.

superbiatch 25-03-2010 09:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34986968)
Everton are now 7 points off 4th place and only 3 points behind Liverpool. It would be great if they snatched the last CL spot, at least finished above Liverpool.
They did us a favour last night, i thanked them personally ;)

Acidphire21 25-03-2010 10:15
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a point against Villa for us last night and im more than happy with that as i expected to lose.

Derek 25-03-2010 14:06
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I'd like to thank Tony Mowbray for being so useless and making sure that Rangers loss last night wasn't dwelt upon by the media.

Damien 25-03-2010 14:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34987150)
I'd like to thank Tony Mowbray for being so useless and making sure that Rangers loss last night wasn't dwelt upon by the media.
I have to say that I rated Mowbray, I can't understand what has happened at Celtic! :erm:

TheDaddy 25-03-2010 16:01
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Mowbray sacked....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/8586352.stm

nffc 25-03-2010 17:30
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Aww, shame. He was doing well :p

Derek 25-03-2010 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34987254)
Mowbray sacked....
:cry: :cry:

Damien 25-03-2010 19:43
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So there I was, 10:40am. Waiting on the Arsenal Membership Site sitting in a virtual queue to buy Arsenal vs Barcelona tickets and at 11:20 I was in!. Quite a lot of yellow areas, indicting low amount of seats available. No worries! I got mine sitting at about the half-way line, Upper Tier, a few rows back. Great Seat!

So I filled in my card details, then came the VISA protection thing and then BAM Firefox crashed just after submission and did not process my order. :mad: By the time I got though the queue again they had sold out.
:mad::mad:

Stupid pile of Rubbish.

Arthurgray50@blu 25-03-2010 19:44
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See no one would believe me, l said when Mowbray went to Celtic, he was the wrong guy.

Celtic are a big club, and deserve a big name, and Mowbray wasn't it, don't forget, he managed WBA and they got relegated, he is useless.

Shadow Demon UK 25-03-2010 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34987430)
So there I was, 10:40am. Waiting on the Arsenal Membership Site sitting in a virtual queue to buy Arsenal vs Barcelona tickets and at 11:20 I was in!. Quite a lot of yellow areas, indicting low amount of seats available. No worries! I got mine sitting at about the half-way line, Upper Tier, a few rows back. Great Seat!

So I filled in my card details, then came the VISA protection thing and then BAM Firefox crashed just after submission and did not process my order. :mad: By the time I got though the queue again they had sold out.
:mad::mad:

Stupid pile of Rubbish.
Don't worry, you can watch Messi tear you apart on TV instead of paying £50 for the pleasure ;) :)

Derek 29-03-2010 13:28
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Gazza declines even further. :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/8592771.stm

Quote:
Former England footballer Paul Gascoigne has been charged with drink-driving.
Such a shame for such a talented footballer to end up like this.

Damien 29-03-2010 13:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34987540)
Don't worry, you can watch Messi tear you apart on TV instead of paying £50 for the pleasure ;) :)
Typical United Fan. Arsenal are quite capable of screwing games up all by themselves without help from Messi Thank you very much.

Niles Crane 29-03-2010 19:16
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A few of the many reasons why i love German football and why the Bundesliga is the most attended league in Europe:

Quote:
Manchester United's Champions League quarter-final at Bayern Munich on Tuesday is not only an on-field contest between two of Europe's great clubs - it also represents a clash of two very different financial philosophies.

While at United the talk is of takeovers, Bayern supporters are safe in the knowledge that such a scenario is unlikely to ever unfold at the Allianz Arena.

The system by which Bundesliga clubs are regulated, with an emphasis on strict financial rules and licensing, means Bayern are debt-free, allowing the club to offer some tickets for as little as 12 euros (£11) in a world-class stadium.

That is a world apart from the Premier League model of light-touch regulation that has allowed the United States-based Glazers to saddle United with debts of £716.5m.

It has become a debt too far for thousands of their fans, so much so that the Red Knights, a group of wealthy United followers in alliance with the Manchester United Supporters' Trust is attempting to wrest control of the club.

Stuart Dykes is a Manchester United fan living in Germany. He also supports Schalke and pays 13 euros (£12) to stand in the Veltins-Arena and watch his team.

The cost of the ticket includes free public transport to the stadium from certain areas. Membership of the Gelsenkirchen club costs him 96 euros (£86).
Quote:
  • Bundesliga clubs broke the 2bn euro (£1.8bn) level for the first time in 2008-9
  • It was the seventh successive season in which an attendance record was set - averaging 42,000 a game
  • Average ticket price: 20.79 euros (£18.70) - about twice as much as in the Premier League
  • The Bundesliga is the European champion of sponsorship deals - 573m euros (£515m)
Full Article

gazzae 29-03-2010 21:52
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We'll the company which runs the football club maybe debt free, but I'm sure other companies in the Bayern group aren't. Otherwise how did the pay for the new stadium and spend around £80 mil last summer

Damien 29-03-2010 21:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34990394)
We'll the company which runs the football club maybe debt free, but I'm sure other companies in the Bayern group aren't. Otherwise how did the pay for the new stadium and spend around £80 mil last summer
Arsenal have cleared a very good slice of the debt from their stadium, which was already turning profits because the increased gate receipts covered the interest + payments. Although the sale of £40 million worth of players (well, "worth") helped. It seems impossible Munich could afford the stadium and £80 of gate receipts when their prices are lower than Arsenal who still have outstanding debt despite what I mentioned above.

As for United their finances are a joke. I am glad the fans noticed after the bond issues were released. It's incredible. Liverpool have debt but it's nothing compared to United who, even given their huge profit making ability, needed the sale of a £80 million pound player to make a profit of £40 million. None of the losses included paying back any of the debt which has continued to increase and now the debt payments are increasing. It's a joke. How the FA ever let those morons take over the club is beyond me.

Niles Crane 29-03-2010 22:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34990394)
We'll the company which runs the football club maybe debt free, but I'm sure other companies in the Bayern group aren't. Otherwise how did the pay for the new stadium and spend around £80 mil last summer
As the article emphasises; sponsorship and advertising i would imagine.

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Professional football at Bayern is run by the spin-off organization FC Bayern München AG. AG is short for Aktiengesellschaft, and Bayern is run like a joint stock company, a company whose stock are not listed on the public stock exchange, but is privately owned. 81.82% of FC Bayern München AG is owned by the club, the FC Bayern München e. V. (e. V. is short for Eingetragener Verein, which translates into "Registered Club") and 9.09% each by sports goods manufacturer Adidas, and automobile company Audi which are also major sponsors of the club.[6] Adidas acquired its shares in 2002 for €77m. The money was designated to help finance the Allianz Arena.[60] In 2009 Audi paid €90m for their share. The capital will be used to repay the loan for the Allianz Arena quicker than originally planned.[6]

Bayern's main advertising partner and current holder of the jersey rights is Deutsche Telekom. The main supplier of the club is Adidas. Other premium partners include Audi, Coca-Cola, Lufthansa, Nikon, Siemens, and Sony Ericsson.[61] In previous years the jersey rights were held by Adidas[62] (1974–78), Magirus Deutz and Iveco[63] (trucks / 1978–84), Commodore[64] (computers / 1984–89) and Opel[65] (cars / 1989–2002).

Bayern is led mostly by former club players. The club President is Uli Hoeneß. He has been in office, formerly as general manager of the club, since 1979. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge is the chairman of the executive board of the AG.[66] The supervisory board of nine consists mostly of managers of big German corporations. They are Herbert Hainer, Uli Hoeneß, Timotheus Höttges, Helmut Markwort, Dieter Rampl, Fritz Scherer, Rupert Stadler, Edmund Stoiber, and Martin Winterkorn.[67]

After record revenues of €328.4 Million in 2007–08 and an after tax profit of €2.1 Million,[5] Bayern reported revenues of €303.8 Million and a profit of €2.5 Million in 2008–09.[6] According to the latest Deloitte's annual Football Money League, Bayern was the fourth richest club in the world in 2009, generating revenues of €289.5 Million.[68]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Baye...on_and_finance

gazzae 29-03-2010 23:20
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Thought as much, stadium isn't paid off yet, the debt resides in another company - Allianz Arena München Stadion GmbH

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The net profit after taxes is not a typo. Karl Hopfner remarked that it was an effect he had “not experienced before”. The complications in the figures can be assumed to result from the subsidiary Allianz Arena München Stadion GmbH which continues to operate at a loss. The after tax profits represent a nearly 20% increase over the previous season.

Hopfner detailed the Audi stock purchase, which will take place in 3 stages
between spring 2010 and March 31, 2011. Audi’s stake in the club will be equal to Adidas’, 9.09 percent. This amounts to 2 million shares at total price of €90 million. Hopfner added that €163 million of the €346 milllion sum spent to build the Allianz Arena has been repaid. Hoeness had previously stated that the lion’s share of the Audi cash influx will be used to defray costs associated with the debt incurred on the stadium construction, which published reports estimate at €30 million per year. The pay off of stadium debt is seen as the key to long term growth for the club, as the stadium is the only part of the club that runs at an annual loss
http://bayern.theoffside.com/champio...l-meeting.html

sherer 30-03-2010 00:25
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34990400)

As for United their finances are a joke. I am glad the fans noticed after the bond issues were released. It's incredible. Liverpool have debt but it's nothing compared to United who, even given their huge profit making ability, needed the sale of a £80 million pound player to make a profit of £40 million. None of the losses included paying back any of the debt which has continued to increase and now the debt payments are increasing. It's a joke. How the FA ever let those morons take over the club is beyond me.
Man U FL PLC are a public company trading on the stock market. ANYONE can take them over and the FA can't do a thing about it.

I blame Edwards who never really wanted the club in the first place

yesman 30-03-2010 01:01
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34990547)
Man U FL PLC are a public company trading on the stock market. ANYONE can take them over and the FA can't do a thing about it.

I blame Edwards who never really wanted the club in the first place
Eh ?

sherer 30-03-2010 11:01
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Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34990570)
Eh ?
United were bought by their shares off the stock market so the FA couldn't do anything about who the owner is. Damien was saying why didn't the FA stop this take over but unless the FA bought all the shares instead what could they do ?

He has done nothing illegel so they can't stop him buying the club on those grounds. Unless they setup a licencing system whereby clubs have to have no debt to enter the league, which wouldn't be a bad thing, then I can't see anything the FA can do

yesman 30-03-2010 20:22
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34990695)
United were bought by their shares off the stock market so the FA couldn't do anything about who the owner is. Damien was saying why didn't the FA stop this take over but unless the FA bought all the shares instead what could they do ?

He has done nothing illegel so they can't stop him buying the club on those grounds. Unless they setup a licencing system whereby clubs have to have no debt to enter the league, which wouldn't be a bad thing, then I can't see anything the FA can do
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34990547)
Man U FL PLC are a public company trading on the stock market. ANYONE can take them over and the FA can't do a thing about it.

I blame Edwards who never really wanted the club in the first place
I misunderstood when you said are instead of were :shrug: but never mind.

Up the reds !!

Arthurgray50@blu 30-03-2010 22:41
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Hooray what a result Bayern Munich 2 Man Utd 1:)

Damien 30-03-2010 22:56
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Wonderful play by Munich, excellent. I was very surprised and I have not seen United look so lost and ordinary in ages, probably not since the Champions League Final last year. They just did not have the fight or control you expect. It was a deserved result.

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Let's see what the news on Rooney is.

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Fergie looks shell shocked.

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United will still go though anyway. I suspect we will get the 'Club X in Crisis' stories tomorrow regardless.

Shadow Demon UK 30-03-2010 22:57
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34991238)
Wonderful play by Munich, excellent.

I thought they were very average, we were just worse. I didn't see this great Ribery everyone is on about who supposedly is worth nearly as much as Ronaldo. I think he beat Neville for pace just once in the entire match, that says it all. If we pull ourselves together we should be alright at OT, hopefully they will try and sit back and with their poor defence we should be able to get a few. Not too bad a result considering how we played.

LEE1 30-03-2010 23:16
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never seen a united team lose the ball as much at least we only need to win 1-0 at ot so not to bad more worried about sat if rooneys not fit.

Damien 30-03-2010 23:18
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34991249)
I thought they were very average, we were just worse. I didn't see this great Ribery everyone is on about who supposedly is worth nearly as much as Ronaldo. I think he beat Neville for pace just once in the entire match, that says it all. If we pull ourselves together we should be alright at OT, hopefully they will try and sit back and with their poor defence we should be able to get a few. Not too bad a result considering how we played.
True. I think it's uncommon to see United play so badly and hence presumed Munich were playing really well.

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Originally Posted by LEE1 (Post 34991259)
never seen a united team lose the ball as much at least we only need to win 1-0 at ot so not to bad more worried about sat if rooneys not fit.
Despite the impression people seem to have they are not a one man team. In recent games Rooney has dominated the headlines but performances from Nani, Berbatov and Park have had bigger effects on the game (mostly thinking of Fulham and Liverpool here). They should be fine.

Arthurgray50@blu 30-03-2010 23:27
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I don't care what anyone says, Rooney has to stop diving like a woose, he ran into the box and just dived, disgusting.

United were not at the best tonight, it was cracking game, and the best team won on the night, and if Utd play like that at OT, they will go out.


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