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Mal 22-05-2009 08:14

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34799571)
If you were Hull FC, who would you sooner face, a first team that hopes to play in the Champions League finals three days later or the second string who will be out to impress and will not pull out of every 50/50 ball, or even every 60/40 ball come ot that. ;)

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34799921)
That ain't sense, sense would have been to say nothing, the rule states you should field a strong team, that's all, Uniteds second string should be good enough to beat Hull, just like they should have been good enough to beat the Hammers a couple of years back. Dick Scudamore speaking out will come back to bite some one big time in the future, for instance if Fulham get to the Europa final this time next year who'll be able to complain when they field their second string? The team that gets relegated because of it, the team that misses out on winning the league because of it?

For me, I agree with Iadom here. Which team would you want to play? A team that will be just looking to get through the match uninjured for Wednesday or a team who will be looking to take their chance to impress their manager?

Russ 22-05-2009 14:36

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...up/8063160.stm

What a surprise...

Julian 22-05-2009 14:58

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34800114)

That's a shame.

The FA had a chance to take the first steps towards eliminating the disgusting habit of spitting in football.

No other sportsmen find it necessary. There is NO reason for it, is there any wonder we have to endure kids doing it everywhere too??

Saaf_laandon_mo 22-05-2009 15:09

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 34800121)
That's a shame.

The FA had a chance to take the first steps towards eliminating the disgusting habit of spitting in football.

No other sportsmen find it necessary. There is NO reason for it, is there any wonder we have to endure kids doing it everywhere too??

Don't you want to punch Notsofabregas in the face for walking around like that. Baring his teeth.. Chin Out... What an idiot.

TheDaddy 22-05-2009 15:13

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Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34799926)
For me, I agree with Iadom here. Which team would you want to play? A team that will be just looking to get through the match uninjured for Wednesday or a team who will be looking to take their chance to impress their manager?

If you read it again I am agreeing with him to. There is a bigger picture here though and Scudamore has opened up a can of worms for the future by saying what he did.

Russ 22-05-2009 17:25

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A bit of good news though... http://beta.news.sky.com/skynews/Hom...eague_Outburst

Let's hope the Premiership's premier cheater gets stamped on from high.

CHiLL 22-05-2009 18:47

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34799555)
the thing is you can have as many or as little players in your squad as you like so if we wants he can field 11 players from the youth team.

It's only the champions league that has a squad of 26 but even there teams manage to field weakened sides with kids etc anyway.

It is a tough one and not sure which side is right to be honest as can see both sides of the arguement

I thought they still had a first squad of 25, and out of that they chose the starting 1. (Not including the youth team)

kingbuxton 22-05-2009 21:07

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Kuszczak - Neville - Ferdinand - Brown - Fabio - Martin - Gibson - Fletcher - Tosic - Welbek - Macheda.

If that lot play to their potential Hull will get battered. Especially look out for Lee Martin and Tosic. Martin has been awsome for the reserves this season, put on some bulk and pace. Tosic is going to be a star next season, suprised he hasn't made some 1st team appearances.

I think we may suprise a few people.

sherer 22-05-2009 23:51

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34800350)
Kuszczak - Neville - Ferdinand - Brown - Fabio - Martin - Gibson - Fletcher - Tosic - Welbek - Macheda.

If that lot play to their potential Hull will get battered. Especially look out for Lee Martin and Tosic. Martin has been awsome for the reserves this season, put on some bulk and pace. Tosic is going to be a star next season, suprised he hasn't made some 1st team appearances.

I think we may suprise a few people.

well we won 4-3 against Hull at home with a stronger side and fielded a stronger side against Everton in the semi final of the cup and didn't even get a shot on target. There is no way on earth that side will batter Hull

kingbuxton 23-05-2009 00:48

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fielded a stronger side against Everton in the semi final of the cup
Wasn't that much stronger and we outplayed Everton for most of that game, bar a pathetic Pen decision could have been in another final. Lets see what happens. Some good players that nobody has heard of in that team.

Mal 23-05-2009 00:55

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34800132)
If you read it again I am agreeing with him to. There is a bigger picture here though and Scudamore has opened up a can of worms for the future by saying what he did.

Sorry about that, :)

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34800350)
Kuszczak - Neville - Ferdinand - Brown - Fabio - Martin - Gibson - Fletcher - Tosic - Welbek - Macheda.

If that lot play to their potential Hull will get battered. Especially look out for Lee Martin and Tosic. Martin has been awsome for the reserves this season, put on some bulk and pace. Tosic is going to be a star next season, suprised he hasn't made some 1st team appearances.

I think we may suprise a few people.

The few times that I have seen Lee Martin, he has not really impressed me. I hope that he has improved in the reserves.

Kuszczak will no doubt give us a few scares through the match. He never looks safe and confident in goal.

kingbuxton 23-05-2009 01:33

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The few times that I have seen Lee Martin, he has not really impressed me. I hope that he has improved in the reserves
He never impressed me, at 1st team or reserve level. What I have seen of him this season he looks a lot better. Kuszczak doesn't impress me, great shot stopper, terrible on crosses. They will all have to play to their potential no doubt about that, Hull are no mugs, but they are good enough to get a result.

---------- Post added at 23:33 ---------- Previous post was at 23:29 ----------

Lets hope I am not on here Sun night saying sherer was right :D the Press, in typical "Big game on the way" fashion have left us in a terrible situation, we have to go out of our way to try and send Hull down, if we don't we are damned. Kinda pathetic, but expected.

Shadow Demon UK 23-05-2009 17:15

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For the scousers :)

CHiLL 23-05-2009 17:34

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34800725)
For the scousers :)

Why do you hate the scousers so?

Hugh 23-05-2009 19:24

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He's a Man U fan - cockneys never have liked Scousers..... :D

Russ 23-05-2009 19:27

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Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34800731)
Why do you hate the scousers so?

It's a requirement of being a Man United supporter :)

kingbuxton 23-05-2009 19:41

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He's a Man U fan - cockneys never have liked Scousers
Boooooooooooooooo :D

Shadow Demon UK 23-05-2009 19:47

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Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34800731)
Why do you hate the scousers so?


Where do i start...

kingbuxton 23-05-2009 20:00

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It's just footy, there used to be a lad at work who was a Pool fan, top bloke, but we used to go out of our way to slate each other if Pool or UTD lost on the weekend. It's part of it. Shame he left, 18 titles would have been some serious ammo. And I took some unreal stick through the 80's by the Liverpool Prawn Eater brigade (Yes, Prawn butties aren't a new invention) so it's what goes around comes around.

It's not personal to Liverpool people (well not with me) you can't beat a scouse accent on a lass (again, maybe just me :blush:)

superbiatch 24-05-2009 00:02

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34800805)
It's not personal to Liverpool people (well not with me) you can't beat a scouse accent on a lass (again, maybe just me :blush:)

Nice one laaa! :p:

Although i have to say Liam Gallagher sounding accents don't really do it for me :D But as a place, I quite like Manchester for shopping and nights out :tu:

Russ 24-05-2009 00:09

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Some scouse accents on women are hot but some are really whining and squeaky, like Kerry Katona and Jennifer Ellison.

Anyway, back to the footy :D

kingbuxton 24-05-2009 00:19

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Anyway, back to the footy
Well, tomoz I am toying with not listening/viewing any games, and then watching MOTD and see how it all pans out. The relegation battle this year is a classic. Ever see that "Likely Lads" where they don't want to know the score?

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Nice one laaa!
You're welcome.

Niles Crane 24-05-2009 00:50

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European football doesn't get much mention here, which is a pity.

I've been paying a lot of interest in continental football this season, France and Germany especially and i'm really glad i have. I can honestly say, apart from the Top 4 in England, the general quality, competitiveness and entertainment of the teams in these 2 leagues is superior.

  • Today, VfL Wolfsburg were crowned German champions for the first time in their 54 year history. In fact it's the first title of any kind, they've ever won. 2 years ago they barely escaped relegation and they're the first team to have 2 goalscorers with over 20 goals each (Grafite 28 in 25 matches, Edin Džeko 26 from 32). Results this season include 5-1 over Bayern Munich and today's title clinching 5-1 win over Werder Bremen.

    Just watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO9_YRwYEQc

    Then there's the story of Hoffenheim. A team from a town of 3000, never before in the top flight, topping the league at the Winter break. Had their top goalscorer (Vedad Ibisevic, 18 in 17) not been injured for the whole 2nd half of the season, they'd likely have still been challenging for the title, but eventually they finished 7th, which is still an amazing achievement.
  • As for France, next weekend Lyon's domination will officially come to an end with either Marseille or Bordeaux crowned champions. Either Boardeaux's first title for 10 years or Marseille's for 17.
  • Netherlands - AZ Alkmaar's first league championship in 28 years, Steve McClaren's FC Twente 2nd, Ajax and PSV 3rd and 4th, thus failed to qualify for the Champions League next season.
  • Russia - FC Rubin's first ever league championship.
  • Turkey - Besiktas currently top with 2 games to go, Sivasspor and Trabzonspor close behind, Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe in 4th/5th, the latter have failed to qualify for next season's Champions League and Galatasaray only have a very slim chance.

The tide has clearly turned in many of the big European leagues and "small" clubs can not only compete, but overtake the far richer, historically dominate and successful clubs.

Could such occurrences happen in England, Scotland et al any time soon? Unfortunately, i seriously doubt it and i say that as a "Big 4" Arsenal fan.

Shadow Demon UK 24-05-2009 00:52

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34800911)
Well, tomoz I am toying with not listening/viewing any games, and then watching MOTD and see how it all pans out. The relegation battle this year is a classic. Ever see that "Likely Lads" where they don't want to know the score?


If i tried to do that i know for sure someone will tell me a result and ruin it or i will forget and go onto the BBC sport website or a football thread on various forums and ruin it for myself. The results don't bother me too much, as long as Newcastle go down i'll be very happy :)

(Liverpool losing will also be a bonus :p:)

zing_deleted 24-05-2009 00:58

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34800911)
Well, tomoz I am toying with not listening/viewing any games, and then watching MOTD and see how it all pans out. The relegation battle this year is a classic. Ever see that "Likely Lads" where they don't want to know the score?



You're welcome.


you made me think of this ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM

kingbuxton 24-05-2009 02:03

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you made me think of this
Brilliant :D Watch it, watch it, it's going to move.

That describes why I don't like Sky Sports better than I will ever be able to.

CHiLL 24-05-2009 12:37

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34800795)
Where do i start...

And yet one of your most praised players is from scouse land.

Peter_ 24-05-2009 12:42

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Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34801052)
And yet one of your most praised players is from scouse land.

Where a lot of Everton fans would gladly hang him if they could get the rope over his ears for going to the mancs[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Shadow Demon UK 24-05-2009 12:43

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Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34801052)
And yet one of your most praised players is from scouse land.


If a scouser sees the light and decides to change their ways they can be forgiven ;) :p:

DocDutch 24-05-2009 13:22

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so whos going down then this afternoon? I for 1 hope that its Boro and Newcastle :)

CHiLL 24-05-2009 15:55

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34801060)
If a scouser sees the light and decides to change their ways they can be forgiven ;) :p:

I guess you hate me, considering I'm from Liverpool, and been brought up as a Liverpool supporter (only because every in my high school supported Liverpool) :P

superbiatch 24-05-2009 17:24

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34801060)
If a scouser sees the light and decides to change their ways they can be forgiven ;) :p:

Its not seeing the light that bothers the fans, its the way he flaunts his allegiance to Manchester when in fact if Everton hadn't have given him the chance they did - he might have been a nobody.

As it is, both reds and blues hate him ;)

Derek 24-05-2009 18:01

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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!

The Scottish championship has come home.

Peter_ 24-05-2009 18:02

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34801191)
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!

The Scottish championship has come home.

Who won

Derek 24-05-2009 18:32

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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34801193)
Who won

A British team instead of an Irish one. ;)

Peter_ 24-05-2009 18:35

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34801211)
A British team instead of an Irish one. ;)

I am not really a fan and was not making a joke but I presume you mean Rangers, nice one:)

superbiatch 24-05-2009 18:38

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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34801214)
I am not really a fan and was not making a joke but I presume you mean Rangers, nice one:)

Rangers beat Dundee United 3-0 to take the Scottish Premier League title :) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8062744.stm

Peter_ 24-05-2009 18:42

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Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34801217)
Rangers beat Dundee United 3-0 to take the Scottish Premier League title :) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8062744.stm




Dundee United 0-3 Rangers


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/05/24.jpg
There you go Derek a link and a picture.]

superbiatch 24-05-2009 18:57

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Bad luck Newcastle, the premiership just won't be the same without you :(

SB_07 24-05-2009 18:59

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lol Newcastle.

Julian 24-05-2009 19:17

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Congratulations to Nicolas Anelka on winning the Golden Boot. :)

SB_07 24-05-2009 19:21

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 34801237)
Congratulations to Nicolas Anelka on winning the Golden Boot. :)

Yeah, don't think many would have chosen him at the start of the season!

Glad Ronaldo didn't get it.

Russ 24-05-2009 19:33

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Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34801133)
I guess you hate me, considering I'm from Liverpool, and been brought up as a Liverpool supporter (only because every in my high school supported Liverpool) :P

Just to clarify there should never be hatred for supporters, only the team. Hatred is what played a huge part in the hooligan element of the 70s. I've said this before, on the terraces we're all fans but on the pitch it's war.

Shame indeed without Newcastle. I always enjoyed the 6 points they gave us each year.

yesman 24-05-2009 19:49

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It will do Newcastle good to go down, it did us good back in the 70's.

Meanwhile back at the top......
Is it only a three horse race now ? With Arsenal finishing fourth but 18 points adrift.

The Final Table

pedantic 24-05-2009 20:04

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How ironic...

Ryan Taylor gets relegated with Newcastle. He scored his 2 goals this season against Newcastle, playing for Wigan. Had he been signed in the summer, Newcastle would have been safe.

Niles Crane 24-05-2009 20:06

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Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34801256)
It will do Newcastle good to go down, it did us good back in the 70's.

Meanwhile back at the top......
Is it only a three horse race now ? With Arsenal finishing fourth but 18 points adrift.

The Final Table

As Liverpool finished 11 points adrift last season, and both they and Arsenal 21 points the season before, i can categorically say; no, it isn't.

Arthurgray50@blu 24-05-2009 20:31

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Being a Spurs fan, and have a soft spot for Toon, l really feel sad for them, they are a great club, and you can't get fans any better, they live and breed football, and the person l blame for this is Ashley, He had all the money to buy, he sacked a good manager, and now look.

They should bounce back, but they should not have gone down in the first place, Up the toon.

DocDutch 24-05-2009 20:47

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the bargain bin is going to open soon :) there are some good players in the Toon and Boro :) see what ya can get for little money :D :D :D :D

Russ 24-05-2009 20:50

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Michael Owen perhaps ;)

DocDutch 24-05-2009 21:15

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too old for the top 4 clubs really .... perhaps something for Bolton or Spuds but dont see him at either ManU or Arsenal especially.

okay exeption is Chelsea where they do like their OAP's

Russ 24-05-2009 21:16

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He won't get in to the top 4 but he's still premiership material. He'll be back.

Pushkar 24-05-2009 21:37

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34801312)
He won't get in to the top 4 but he's still premiership material. He'll be back.

He's really not, ask any Newcastle fan that - your looking at when he was decent, he hasn't got anything left in the tank. I can't say he got the best service this season at Tyneside, but he really didn't try - especially in the second half of the season.

Good thing he'll leave this summer.

Matty_ 24-05-2009 21:54

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I agree, Michael Owen is class, and you don`t normally lose that. How old is he now? not even 30 yet, if he manages to do a stint without injury( that`s the risk any potential buyers faces) he could even force his way back into England reckoning.
Could be worth Man City gambling ~5 million, if it pays off it would be a masterstroke, nah who am i kidding it`s City he`d rupture another cruciate in his first game right after scoring.

Feel sorry for Newcastle supporters, imo Newcastle United needs to be run by geordies to get the best out of the club.

p.s. Good luck to Man U on the 26ᵀᴴ from a Man City fan :bigcry:

Shadow Demon UK 24-05-2009 23:17

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Whats the difference between Alan Shearer and Newcastle United?



Alan Shearer will be on Match of the Day next year :D

Mal 24-05-2009 23:21

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Sorry to buck the trend here, but I thought that it was hilarious when the barcodes were relegated, especially when the other results went their way and they still mucked up. ;) :D

I would just love it if they went down again next season... ;)

Julian 24-05-2009 23:34

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Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34801368)
Sorry to buck the trend here, but I thought that it was hilarious when the barcodes were relegated, especially when the other results went their way and they still mucked up. ;) :D

I would just love it if they went down again next season... ;)

OK Mal, I'll ask..... why?

Mal 24-05-2009 23:50

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 34801376)
OK Mal, I'll ask..... why?

Why what?

kingbuxton 25-05-2009 00:46

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Michael Owen perhaps
If he can keep fit, still the best goal poacher in the Prem.

Glad we won, how much stick would we have taken, based on chances, the battering I predicted should have happened. Shame Tosic didn't play, God knows where MUTV got that team from.

No Rio, that is a worry for Wed. But Brown is back, that is a huge plus.

Mal 25-05-2009 00:48

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34801408)
Glad we won, how much stick would we have taken, based on chances, the battering I predicted should have happened. Shame Tosic didn't play, God knows where MUTV got that team from.

No Rio, that is a worry for Wed. But Brown is back, that is a huge plus.

Shame that Fergie didn't put Tosic on a lot earlier than he did, to see what he is capable of.

kingbuxton 25-05-2009 01:27

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Shame that Fergie didn't put Tosic on a lot earlier than he did, to see what he is capable of
He looks the part, it's always hard to say when all you see is reserve footy, look at Rossi. Sometimes you see a player and he looks like he has bit of something about him, fingers crossed for this lad, Left Wingers always seem to be a rare breed.

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I would just love it if they went down again next season
I would assume he is having a bit of a laugh at the old Keegan rant from a few years back.

Russ 25-05-2009 01:30

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 34801376)
OK Mal, I'll ask..... why?

Keegan, when he was in charge of Newcastle, once said he'd "love it" if they beat Man United. Which they didn't.

Mal 25-05-2009 01:38

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34801422)
He looks the part, it's always hard to say when all you see is reserve footy, look at Rossi. Sometimes you see a player and he looks like he has bit of something about him, fingers crossed for this lad, Left Wingers always seem to be a rare breed.

Hopefully he will show it in the first team.

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 34801376)
OK Mal, I'll ask..... why?

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34801422)
I would assume he is having a bit of a laugh at the old Keegan rant from a few years back.

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34801423)
Keegan, when he was in charge of Newcastle, once said he'd "love it" if they beat Man United. Which they didn't.

Julian hasn't got back to clarify what he was unsure off, concerning my original post, so I cannot answer. :shrug:

kingbuxton 25-05-2009 01:39

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Feel sorry for Newcastle supporters, imo Newcastle United needs to be run by geordies to get the best out of the club.
Do you think that is the downfall? The old "Heart on your sleeve" issue. Not sure Shearer is management material, I think Newcastle need a proper manager, someone with experience. Reminds me of UTD after Ron was boss, Ferguson had to scrap everything, and rebuild it, and I mean EVERYTHING, that's what Newcastle need, a Ferguson or a Wenger.

Julian 25-05-2009 10:58

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Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34801385)
Why what?

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Originally Posted by Mal
I would just love it if they went down again next season...

But it looks like it's been answered. :)

DocDutch 25-05-2009 10:59

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I just hope the Toon can do a Leeds :D

Matty_ 25-05-2009 11:55

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34801426)
Do you think that is the downfall? The old "Heart on your sleeve" issue. Not sure Shearer is management material, I think Newcastle need a proper manager, someone with experience. Reminds me of UTD after Ron was boss, Ferguson had to scrap everything, and rebuild it, and I mean EVERYTHING, that's what Newcastle need, a Ferguson or a Wenger.

Not really the manager i was refering to, allthough i don`t think old Al is management material tactics wise. Since the whole Mike Ashley cockney barrow boy crew took charge everything seems to have gone to pot...

I also think Newcastle fans think they have a divine right to be a top club just because they have a huge fan base. We all know that`s not the case.
Wonder who the next "night in shining armour" will be?

My money`s on the dream team of Shearer, Hanson and Lineker :knock:

kingbuxton 25-05-2009 13:15

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Not really the manager i was refering to
Yeah, I was having a late night ramble :sleep:

nffc 25-05-2009 17:25

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Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34801518)
Not really the manager i was refering to, allthough i don`t think old Al is management material tactics wise. Since the whole Mike Ashley cockney barrow boy crew took charge everything seems to have gone to pot...

I also think Newcastle fans think they have a divine right to be a top club just because they have a huge fan base. We all know that`s not the case.
Wonder who the next "night in shining armour" will be?

My money`s on the dream team of Shearer, Hanson and Lineker :knock:

I agree, Ashley had a perfectly good manager in Allardyce who could have turned them around but impatience forced him out, he wouldn't have got them relegated though.

Keegan coming back was a joke, the guy did nothing much in his first spell apart from spending money, and did nothing at Fulham or England another manager could have, and then repeated his cheque book at Man City... been out of the game for ages, but brought back to put smiles on the faces of fans, until he was exposed as crap again... that said, the board didn't help bringing in Wise (who has done what?) to oversee transfers and buying players the manager doesn't want.

No-one would work in that situation so Kinnear was probably the only choice to take it on - on paper a good appointment, did well with Wimbledon although that was long in the past, got Luton promotion and survived relegation in his first season with Forest, experienced head who keeps it simple and stabilises things - not a long term thing but fine as a caretaker. Personally I think had Kinnear not been taken ill then they would have stayed up, they were 13th after the WBA game. Hughton had no experience and Calderwood was new to the Championship - and was sacked for being in the relegation zone with us, having taken two attempts to get promotion, and having never managed in the Premiership - clearly only appointed because of his connections with Hughton and Wise. Shearer was a gamble - the hope that a total novice would lift the place enough to get momentum... In the end, Calderwood contributed to one relegation and but for Billy Davies, would have been two.

Be quite funny to see the pundits get it though, after they always go on about tactics and how the managers get it wrong.

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Just some stats...

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...081005,00.html after Kinnear's first game NUFC were 18th with 5p from 7 games

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...090207,00.html after the WBA game, the day Kinnear was hospitalised - 13th with 27p from 25

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...090321,00.html after Hughton/Calderwood's last game - 18th with 29p from 30

Ending position 18th, 34 from 38

Keegan - average ppg 0.71, 27 points per season
Kinnear - average ppg 1.22, 46 points per season
Hughton/Calderwood - average ppg 0.40, 15 points per season
Shearer - average ppg 0.63, 24 points per season

Only Kinnear would have kept them up on PPG basis. Derby got 11 points last season, H/C were almost as bad.

kingbuxton 25-05-2009 17:40

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Only Kinnear would have kept them up on PPG basis
What was Allerdyce score at Blackburn?

nffc 25-05-2009 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34801809)
What was Allerdyce score at Blackburn?

13 points from 17 under Ince, they finished on 41 from 38, 28 pts from 21 games - 1.33 per game, 61 for a season, which would put them 7th.

superbiatch 25-05-2009 18:35

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Congratulations to Burnley - one of my bestest mates is a burnley fan, the banter should be good fun :D

TheDaddy 25-05-2009 18:39

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Bet Sheff Utd sue 'em

matt-h 25-05-2009 18:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34801838)
Bet Sheff Utd sue 'em

Nah


Old Colin Wan....err Neil Warnock isnt there anymore

Matty_ 25-05-2009 18:52

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Gotta agree with every point you made there, Kinnear would most likely have kept them up even if it was only just.
The whole Mr Curly coming back was just a complete waste of time(keep the fans happy..!) and lost points on the board, something Newcastle desperatly needed.

On a differant subject, who does everyone think is manager of the year?

IMO there are 3 candidates...

1- Alex ferguson. If Man U go on to win the european cup it`s hard to argue against.
2-David Moyes. Done an absolutely fantastic job at Everton with limited resources, plus bringing players in from the academy and buying others at good value. Allways seems to get the best out of his players and elevates the club to a position which amazes.
3-Roy Hodgson. Again like David Moyes, has that ability to forge a team which isn`t that great on paper and move them to a level which seems beyond the squad. Also the style of football Fulham have played this year has been a joy to watch, that giant of a defender hangaland(probably spelt wrong) and the striker nevland look top notch.
Glad Dickson Etuhu is playing well also (here`s hoping his brother gets a chance)

:beer:

Niles Crane 25-05-2009 19:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34801842)
Gotta agree with every point you made there, Kinnear would most likely have kept them up even if it was only just.
The whole Mr Curly coming back was just a complete waste of time(keep the fans happy..!) and lost points on the board, something Newcastle desperatly needed.

On a differant subject, who does everyone think is manager of the year?

IMO there are 3 candidates...

1- Alex ferguson. If Man U go on to win the european cup it`s hard to argue against.
2-David Moyes. Done an absolutely fantastic job at Everton with limited resources, plus bringing players in from the academy and buying others at good value. Allways seems to get the best out of his players and elevates the club to a position which amazes.
3-Roy Hodgson. Again like David Moyes, has that ability to forge a team which isn`t that great on paper and move them to a level which seems beyond the squad. Also the style of football Fulham have played this year has been a joy to watch, that giant of a defender hangaland(probably spelt wrong) and the striker nevland look top notch.
Glad Dickson Etuhu is playing well also (here`s hoping his brother gets a chance)

:beer:

Moyes spent £15m on 1 player. A club record. Prior to that, he spent £11m on 1 player, the previous club record. Hardly limited resources, is it?

CHiLL 25-05-2009 19:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34801844)
Moyes spent £15m on 1 player. A club record. Prior to that, he spent £11m on 1 player, the previous club record. Hardly limited resources, is it?

It is compared to the bigger teams in the league, and even the teams who finish lower. He is doing extremely well with the money he uses. How much less has he spent per season than say Spurs?

Matty_ 25-05-2009 19:31

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Manchester City spent 30 odd million on one player and he`s not that good.
15 million seems to be about what you need to spend nowadays to get a better than average player who is known about.

Still made a slight profit last year http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...on/7788657.stm

This is from a while back, i`d like to know what ammounts each club spent last year

premiership spending 2002-03 - 2006-07 season

Chelsea £268.30m
Liverpool £58.07m
Tottenham £37.30m
Newcastle £35.65
Man United £34.95
Aston Villa £31.45m
Middlesboro £19.85m
Charlton £13.65m
Bolton £11.55m
Everton £9.95m
Arsenal £9.90m

Maybe not limited resources but again IMO he does seem to do well with what he`s got. Certainly better than some managers who have spent similar/more cash.....

pedantic 25-05-2009 19:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34801855)
This is from a while back, i`d like to know what ammounts each club spent last year

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/

kingbuxton 25-05-2009 21:31

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Spurs - £356Million! Would never have expected that much. And Man Utd £190Million in sales! Considering we are the 2nd biggest spenders - to come out with a per-season spend that is comparable to Man City and then taking Trophies Won into consideration, that's some decent transfer activity. I suppose the fact we won so much with a team that cost very little can bias that slightly. However, remove Peter Kenyon from our outgoing and that £391 would (could) have been somewhat smaller.

Also £260Mill from Arsenal pretty much knocks the old "Wenger doesn't spend" out of the park, but again, £180Mill in sales. £4.6Mill a season. For all the things about him I don't like, very good manager Wenger.

Edit: What I mean is more the myth that Wenger is gutless when it comes to spending.

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Quote:

Congratulations to Burnley
More local teams the better - off to Burnley after a midweek ECL is better than off to Southampton. It's nothing personal against the Sheff Utd/Birmingham and Wolves of the world, but it's always the same teams that bounce Up/Down. It's refreshing to get some different teams/fans n stadiums.

Still gutted PNE missed out.

Damien 25-05-2009 21:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34801934)
Spurs - £356Million! Would never have expected that much. And Man Utd £190Million in sales! Considering we are the 2nd biggest spenders - to come out with a per-season spend that is comparable to Man City and then taking Trophies Won into consideration, that's some decent transfer activity. I suppose the fact we won so much with a team that cost very little can bias that slightly. However, remove Peter Kenyon from our outgoing and that £391 would (could) have been somewhat smaller.

Also £260Mill from Arsenal pretty much knocks the old "Wenger doesn't spend" out of the park, but again, £180Mill in sales. £4.6Mill a season. For all the things about him I don't like, very good manager Wenger.

Edit: What I mean is more the myth that Wenger is gutless when it comes to spending..

Well Arsenal have sold nearly as much though, it's not as if he has a blank cheque to sign players. Hence Arsenal being 11th. On average Arsenal spend £5 mill a season compared to £11 mill as is the case with United. While since '02 United have spent £18 mill, Spurs £19! and Chelsea a wooping £26 mill on average :O While Arsenal remain around the same at £4 mill.

Arthurgray50@blu 25-05-2009 21:47

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Well done to Burnley, but they had great help from pathetic referee Mike Dean, l counted FOUR appeals turned down for United. With the problem he had with United, he should not have taken the game. Good game poor decisions.

kingbuxton 25-05-2009 22:16

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Quote:

Well Arsenal have sold nearly as much though, it's not as if he has a blank cheque to sign players
Not having a go at him, this season especially, there seems to be this myth that he is scared to spend! That shows he isn't. Like I said, his sales/spend ratio is unreal. To put a team top four on a per-season spend of £5Mill takes some doing. And the fact that Spurs are way above him snuffs the "well the teams below fourth can't compete" out before you can say it. Probably as well he doesn't have a blank Cheque on tap ;)

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Quote:

With the problem he had with United, he should not have taken the game
Do you mean on that game only, or is there previous between Dean n Sheff Utd?

Quote:

l counted FOUR appeals
Penalties? Sorry, I didn't see the game.

Arthurgray50@blu 26-05-2009 00:03

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I am not even a supporter of either club, but there was a prob between United and Dean from a previous occasion, and it all seemed to go Burnley's way, Good luck to Burnley, but l believe that next season, the people who arrange ref's for game's should not allow ref's to go to games, that there has been a manager prob.

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I have just watched comments made by Celtic fans, towards Gordon Strachan, who has resigned as manager, To me, its the players on the pitch that have to perform, not the manager, and to be honest Celtic can't win everything, l would love to see another club in Scotland apart from the big two.

kingbuxton 26-05-2009 00:36

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Can't really find anything about him bar a couple of Reds in a Sheff Derby.

But.........

Quote:

He was originally appointed to referee the 2006 FA Cup Final at the Millennium Stadium on May 13, 2006, but the Football Association took the unusual step of replacing him with Alan Wiley after concerns were raised about his ability to be impartial towards Liverpool, who are based near Dean's home town in the Wirral.
So I guess that is another Ref (Howard "You'll Never Walk Alone" Webb) that I would rather not see in charge of Pool v UTD games.

Didn't know Strachan had gone, done nothing but win trophies, fans hate him, go figure. Next Newcastle manager??

Damien 26-05-2009 10:14

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Quote:

Didn't know Strachan had gone, done nothing but win trophies, fans hate him, go figure. Next Newcastle manager??
Shearer will stay I reckon! But yeah, The Celtic fans (who complained) can go screw themselves if they hate a manager just because they didn't win this season. Morons. I think it's possible Strachan might end up at Sunderland though.

Matty_ 26-05-2009 16:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34801862)

Nice 1, some interesting reading there.....

Anyone gonna take a punt at what the score will be tommorrow?

I reckon 1-1 (Utd to score first) then penalties, then...............:confused:

matt-h 26-05-2009 16:24

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Im hoping it will be a lot more open that last year ( nerves dont do well with ET and penalties ) BUT i do think if we can get at Barca then we will win .

Both teams are excellent going forward but we have a solid back 5 and barca dont. Which could make all the difference with any luck.

Im not going to stand up and say we WILL win but i think we stand a good chance.

Shame the haul wouldnt include the FA Cup for the proper treble ( which we already have rafa - another fact for you ) but hey ho.

Russ 26-05-2009 16:25

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Hmmm, the only problem with being a smug Man United fan is if we have a successful season but lose something big (like tomorrow's game) then each fan of every other team legally earns the right to mercilessly gloat for a minimum of 2 months. So I'm really hoping for a 2-1 win and a trophy retention.

Saaf_laandon_mo 26-05-2009 16:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34802387)
Hmmm, the only problem with being a smug Man United fan is if we have a successful season but lose something big (like tomorrow's game) then each fan of every other team legally earns the right to mercilessly gloat for a minimum of 2 months. So I'm really hoping for a 2-1 win and a trophy retention.

I think Utd will win 2-1 too. And I'm hoping that they do win too. There is a very good article in the back pages of today's Sun by Ian Wright, and his reasons for a Utd win are exactly how I feel. I'm not saying it just cause Barca beat us in the semis (I've honestly got over that now) but I do hope that Utd can win and shut up the likes of Platini, Blatter, all the football 'purists' who keep insisting that Barca deserve to win the CL due to the way they play football, how many goals they've scored, how they have the best players in the world blah blah blah.

Russ 26-05-2009 16:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34802392)
I think Utd will win 2-1 too. And I'm hoping that they do win too. There is a very good article in the back pages of today's Sun by Ian Wright, and his reasons for a Utd win are exactly how I feel. I'm not saying it just cause Barca beat us in the semis (I've honestly got over that now) but I do hope that Utd can win and shut up the likes of Platini, Blatter, all the football 'purists' who keep insisting that Barca deserve to win the CL due to the way they play football, how many goals they've scored, how they have the best players in the world blah blah blah.

I respect that but you do understand I'm going to expect a lot of gloating and urine extraction if Barca win yes? Don't disappoint me, I would do the same back.

Saaf_laandon_mo 26-05-2009 16:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34802396)
I respect that but you do understand I'm going to expect a lot of gloating and urine extraction if Barca win yes? Don't disappoint me, I would do the same back.

In all honesty Russ, if Barca do win, I'll not be extracting the urine. I would love Fergie to win back to back finals (i have a lot of time for the guy), and there will be a tinge of sadness if he doesn't do it.

Russ 26-05-2009 16:52

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*unexpected*

OK well, I'm aware I'm a typical smug United supporter and part of that means we have to take it on the chin if we lose. If we win then it's going to be unbearable in here. If we don't...you lot have free reign to ensure we never forget it :spin:

Damien 26-05-2009 16:53

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I want Barca to win so Henry gets a Champions League medal :)

Saaf_laandon_mo 26-05-2009 16:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34802405)
I want Barca to win so Henry gets a Champions League medal :)

That's another reason I dont want Barca to win.... I hate Henry and his smugness. Used to pee me off at Arsenal and he still does now, with all his raising of shoulders and raising of the arms everytime he was having a poor game and blaming others. If it goes to pens tomorrow I hope he misses one.

matt-h 26-05-2009 17:08

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Russ,

At the end of the day ( cant believe i just put that..lol ) the only fans that can legitimately take the mickey if we lose will be Barca fans.

The Mickeys and citeh ( 40 points behind is world beating is it? ) can whistle. Its not like they were in the final is it fella.


If we lose , we lose and were beaten by a better team on the night. If we win i'll be running up and down my street screaming like a girl but not caring a jot

:D


Wonder if platini will try to get himself in the pics with the trophy likelast year if we win it again.

Cant wait to see the Sir Matt ( Whos birthday it would have been today) mosaic in the crowd .

Russ 26-05-2009 17:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by matt-h (Post 34802420)
Russ,

At the end of the day ( cant believe i just put that..lol ) the only fans that can legitimately take the mickey if we lose will be Barca fans.

You don't understand - us United fans are (usually correctly) seen as smug and arrogant when it comes to our team. When United win we ram it down everyone's throats. Now that's fine as long as we expect it back if we lose.

I think we've upped the smugness this season so I'm expecting a LOT of stick if Barca win. We will have earned it.

matt-h 26-05-2009 17:23

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Oh im not saying i dont expect it , most citeh followers i know will explode with giddyness , i just wont listen to the buffoons...

hehe

Niles Crane 26-05-2009 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34802405)
I want Barca to win so Henry gets a Champions League medal :)

Agreed. Along with Sylvinho (it's hard to believe he's 35 now, his Arsenal period just seems like yesterday), although he must already have one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-om5keQspw

I'm not bothered about Hleb though.

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Possibly the worst injury and/or tackle i've ever seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyHCs7Fcs34

SB_07 26-05-2009 21:24

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Henry FTW.

Saaf_laandon_mo 26-05-2009 22:07

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FTW?


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