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banjo 02-06-2014 14:02

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35703386)
At the risk of infractions, I have long had my view of who killed her. I am not the only one who thinks that. What upsets me is that nobody has investigated the parents (or if they were investigated it was kept quiet) for negligence and bad parenting. If they can leave children alone on holiday in a foreign country, they can do it in this country.

Quite right :tu:

Pierre 02-06-2014 14:08

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35703422)
I said leave your property.

Makes no difference, the distance from my decking area to the house is about the same distance as the Tapas bar to the McCanns apartment.

So if I lived on a 1000 acre estate, as long as I stay on my property that's alright is it?

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Would you also do this in a foreign country and not in opinion of your safe surroundings of your home.
I'd weigh up the risks, same as anyone.

I live in a secluded area, many ways in and out, If I was to consider my home safe, am I not being as complacent as the McCanns?

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Originally Posted by Pauls9 (Post 35703430)
Perhaps you should carry a baby alarm with you?

only works if the baby cries.

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Point I'm making is, as I did in the other thread on this topic:

Is that people do what the McCanns did, at home, across the country all the time. Especially in the summer.

Even if you only have a house with a small garden, if you're outside, and the kid is inside, it is no different.

And all those with conspiracy theories about the McCanns, evidence, evidence, evidence. You really think they haven't been investigated??? get real.

weenie 02-06-2014 14:09

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35703427)






My BBQ had my child and two cousins staying, we are partied down the far end of the property, we went and checked on the kids peridoically

Just as the McCanns did.[COLOR="Silver"]

Did they? :shrug: We only have there word on that.

Pierre 02-06-2014 14:14

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703440)
Did they? :shrug: We only have there word on that.

I don't know them, do you?

What reason would you have to doubt their word?

They look like two sensible people to me.

peanut 02-06-2014 14:18

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35703444)
I don't know them, do you?

What reason would you have to doubt their word?

They look like two sensible people to me.

That's the point isn't it. To you they are, to most others they aren't. No one would leave their kids whilst they go off their property for a meal in a foreign country. No matter what the distance is.

How would it look if they said they didn't check on the kids periodically? I'm sure they had to say that to make themselves look that little bit more responsible especially under the circumstances.

Arthurgray50@blu 02-06-2014 14:21

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Members are forgetting one small little thing.

Where the McCanns were having a meal with friends. The children were being checked every 30 minutes by BOTH family and friends.

I still say that NO parent is at fault. Every parent has there own way of looking after there OWN kids. I have done it many times. Itsthe way you do it.

weenie 02-06-2014 14:23

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35703444)
I don't know them, do you?

What reason would you have to doubt their word?

They look like two sensible people to me.

No I don't, but I can not understand how just day's later they went out jogging, he went and played a game of tennis if nothing had happened. I can only speak for myself but I would have been searching for my child rather than going out for a game of tennis or for a run, and definitely not letting my other children out my sight.

Pierre 02-06-2014 14:24

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35703446)
That's the point isn't it. To you they are, to most others they aren't.

Most others? got the numbers to back that up? or for "most" do you mean "you"

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No one would leave their kids whilst they go off their property for a meal in a foreign country. No matter what the distance is.
Really? again what have you got to back up that statement, or for "no one" do you mean "you"

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How would it look if they said they didn't check on the kids periodically? I'm sure they had to say that to make themselves look that little bit more responsible especially under the circumstances.
Idle speculation

peanut 02-06-2014 14:25

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35703448)
Members are forgetting one small little thing.

Where the McCanns were having a meal with friends. The children were being checked every 30 minutes by BOTH family and friends.

I still say that NO parent is at fault. Every parent has there own way of looking after there OWN kids. I have done it many times. Itsthe way you do it.


And if they were being watched by the abductor, 30 mins is plenty of time to take the child. What if they had a baby sitter?

banjo 02-06-2014 14:28

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35703444)
I don't know them, do you?

What reason would you have to doubt their word?

They look like two sensible people to me.

Harold Shipman looked like a nice and sensible person !!

Pierre 02-06-2014 14:30

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703450)
No I don't, but I can not understand how just day's later they went out jogging, he went and played a game of tennis if nothing had happened.

That has nothing to do with it, people deal with grief the best way they know how.

I was 17 when my dad died, after I was told, I went out and played football with my friends

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I can only speak for myself
good that's a start.

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I would have been searching for my child rather than going out for a game of tennis or for a run, and definitely not letting my other children out my sight.
Even if I believe the jogging/tennis bit. What's it to be? going out searching or looking after the other kids.

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35703453)
What if they had a baby sitter?

Now that is a sensible point.

weenie 02-06-2014 14:32

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Both one parent could search and the other look after the children.

peanut 02-06-2014 14:32

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35703451)
Most others? got the numbers to back that up? or for "most" do you mean "you"



Really? again what have you got to back up that statement, or for "no one" do you mean "you"



Idle speculation

To be honest, I really hope you are a minority in your way of thinking and I will go as far as saying that you are. I would just put it down to common sense whether or not it is or isn't the right thing to do.

Pierre 02-06-2014 14:35

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by banjo (Post 35703456)
Harold Shipman looked like a nice and sensible person !!

Yes, and he was caught. Evidence was found.

But until such evidence is found to build a case against the McCanns I have no reason to doubt them.

If the Portuguese and British police have failed to build a case against them, I doubt a load of discussion forum conspiracy trolls can.

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35703460)
To be honest, I really hope you are a minority in your way of thinking and I will go as far as saying that you are. I would just put it down to common sense whether or not it is or isn't the right thing to do.

Have you, never ever, left a child in the house sleeping whilst you've been outside, in the gaden or something?

If not, fair enough, but I would bet you are in the minority.

weenie 02-06-2014 14:39

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
The McCanns why do so many people seem to dislike them.
http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co...hate-kate.html

Pierre 02-06-2014 14:45

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703463)
The McCanns why do so many people seem to dislike them.
http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co...hate-kate.html

Again written by somebody who doesn't know them.

Reason no. 3

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Dressing fashionably with well-groomed hair, make-up, and jewelry,
they definitely did it then

weenie 02-06-2014 14:48

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
I just think they should admit some fault by leaving there children that's all. It was wrong IMHO whether people agree or not that is my opinion.

MalteseFalcon 02-06-2014 14:49

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
A very interesting read, I only hope the truth comes out soon.

weenie 02-06-2014 14:53

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
The only one who has been let down here is Madeline McCann by who, you decide I know where I lay the blame.

Pierre 02-06-2014 14:58

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703467)
I just think they should admit some fault by leaving there children that's all. It was wrong IMHO whether people agree or not that is my opinion.

and you're absolutely entitled to it.

And I agree with you, of course they are responsible 100%. They are totally at fault.

I'm sure their life is a living hell, if was me it sure would be.

I just don't like the more "holy than thou" attitude some people take, when they are probably just as guilty in taking a few risks and being complacent when it comes to their kids.

And I absolutely have no time whatsover, for the conspiracy trolls, who try to make out the McCanns have tried to cover up her death.

weenie 02-06-2014 15:00

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35703465)
Again written by somebody who doesn't know them.

Reason no. 3

Dressing fashionably with well-groomed hair, make-up, and jewelry,

they definitely did it then

I would imagine most Mother's with a recently missing child, looking good would be the furthest thought from there mind, but hey that's just my opinion.

I never once said they did it, but you are right no one is perfect.

Pierre 02-06-2014 15:09

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703476)
I would imagine most Mother's with a recently missing child, looking good would be the furthest thought from there mind, but hey that's just my opinion.

That's not an opinion, that's an assumption.

One you can't make unless you've spoken to "most" mothers with a recently missing child.

It's been 7 years, how long must she look scruffy to satisfy you?

martyh 02-06-2014 15:10

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703467)
I just think they should admit some fault by leaving there children that's all. It was wrong IMHO whether people agree or not that is my opinion.

I'm sure they do ,i'm sure that not a day goes by that they wish they had done a thousands things differently and blame themselves 100% but why the hell should they admit any of that to you or any other internet judge

weenie 02-06-2014 15:13

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Then they should stop doing interviews then and refusing to accept blame when asked about leaving their children alone.

Pierre 02-06-2014 15:22

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
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Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703481)
Then they should stop doing interviews

Doing interviews is what has kept this story alive and kept the high profile, so much so that the police are still out there looking for her.

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then and refusing to accept blame when asked about leaving their children alone.
Well, of course they are to blame, nobody else is.

martyh 02-06-2014 15:24

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703481)
Then they should stop doing interviews then and refusing to accept blame when asked about leaving their children alone.

I rather think that the interviews they do are largely responsible for keeping the case active

weenie 02-06-2014 15:29

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35703479)
That's not an opinion, that's an assumption.

One you can't make unless you've spoken to "most" mothers with a recently missing child.

It's been 7 years, how long must she look scruffy to satisfy you?

The looking good part was the day after her child went missing, not 7 years later.

Pierre 02-06-2014 15:35

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703490)
The looking good part was the day after her child went missing, not 7 years later.

That piece did not stipulate a time frame against that reason.

TheDaddy 02-06-2014 18:13

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703470)
The only one who has been let down here is Madeline McCann by who, you decide I know where I lay the blame.

I know who I'd rather lay the blame with, the person that took her.

Hugh 02-06-2014 18:33

re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Could I remind posters that someone has already been found guilty of Contempt of Court for publishing allegations that linked the McCanns with their daughter's disappearance.

Repeating these allegations on a Forum is 'publishing'.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21534603

weenie 02-06-2014 18:53

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35703546)
I know who I'd rather lay the blame with, the person that took her.

Of course it was the person that took her, he took her away from her family at the end of day.

weenie 02-06-2014 19:10

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35703555)
Why not a woman?

Because a man was seen near the apartment carrying a child, sorry for writing man it could have been a woman. The person who took her is to blame.

TheDaddy 02-06-2014 22:42

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35703552)
Of course it was the person that took her, he took her away from her family at the end of day.

Oh of course, the fact she was taken seems to be forgotten by some people in their haste to vilify her parents for their negligence or worse.

Arthurgray50@blu 02-06-2014 23:16

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
'That' man could have been a woman in disguise ?. We have to look at various things. That 'man' has been discounted by police.

However, a 'person' was seen carrying a child near to the spot where she went missing.

What l find hard to believe and this is what l hate about some holiday island, and that includes this country.

As a holidaymaker, if l 'see' something that is not right. My 'parent' instinct comes into play. And l would interfere if needed.

I remember going on holiday three years ago, and a woman walked past me and clouted a man round the face. I went and tried to help the poor guy. thinking l was doing a good deed. It turned out to be the husband.

But this is what is wrong, we see things But dont doing anything and then complain that it is ruining the holiday trade.

Hom3r 03-06-2014 15:09

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
My views have been posted in the thread I first started when Maddie first went missing, I can't post a link as for some reason my phones browser won't let me search.

alferret 03-06-2014 16:17

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu:35703634
'That' man could have been a woman in disguise ?. We have to look at various things. That 'man' has been discounted by police.

However, a 'person' was seen carrying a child near to the spot where she went missing.

What l find hard to believe and this is what l hate about some holiday island, and that includes this country.

As a holidaymaker, if l 'see' something that is not right. My 'parent' instinct comes into play. And l would interfere if needed.

I remember going on holiday three years ago, and a woman walked past me and clouted a man round the face. I went and tried to help the poor guy. thinking l was doing a good deed. It turned out to be the husband.

But this is what is wrong, we see things But dont doing anything and then complain that it is ruining the holiday trade.

You go around assuming that something is wrong and start interfering because in your eyes it's wrong O moral high ground you'll be walking around with a broken nose for the whole if every holiday season.
Where do you get off telling people how to behave because you "think" your in the right and the other party is wrong. You'll never have all the facts, you'll never see the whole story unfolding, you know nothing, that is unless your "God" and you see everything.

richard s 03-06-2014 16:53

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
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Originally Posted by alferret (Post 35703756)
You go around assuming that something is wrong and start interfering because in your eyes it's wrong O moral high ground you'll be walking around with a broken nose for the whole if every holiday season.
Where do you get off telling people how to behave because you "think" your in the right and the other party is wrong. You'll never have all the facts, you'll never see the whole story unfolding, you know nothing, that is unless your "God" and you see everything.


Its up to arthur if he buts his nose in a gets it punched... There seems to be a personal attack on arthur because he thinks differently from other people, he may be wrong he may be right. Who is to say who is right or wrong.

Just don't reply (take the bate so easily).

Arthurgray50@blu 03-06-2014 18:10

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Thanks richard s.

The biggest problem we have today, is that IF people see something happening anywhere they are, they dont interfere.

If l saw a person struggling with a child, adult and that person struggling starts shouting. No one in there own mind will just walk past and let them get on with it.

I have a duty to my wife and kids to do what l think is right. Yes, they might tell me to mind my own business, but at least l have tried to find out what is wrong.

I always remember what a family member said to me. They saw a drugs and sexual attack happening in front of them and just walked past. The following day, we found out that a girl had been raped.

I know that this comment is different to the main thread, BUT, if l saw something strange happening - l would interefere, then my conscience clear.

peanut 03-06-2014 18:42

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35703775)
Thanks richard s.

The biggest problem we have today, is that IF people see something happening anywhere they are, they dont interfere.

If l saw a person struggling with a child, adult and that person struggling starts shouting. No one in there own mind will just walk past and let them get on with it.

I have a duty to my wife and kids to do what l think is right. Yes, they might tell me to mind my own business, but at least l have tried to find out what is wrong.

I always remember what a family member said to me. They saw a drugs and sexual attack happening in front of them and just walked past. The following day, we found out that a girl had been raped.

I know that this comment is different to the main thread, BUT, if l saw something strange happening - l would interefere, then my conscience clear.

I see what you're saying but when a child is like 2 years old, the child ain't going to be telling you something is wrong. You wouldn't have noticed anything wrong at the time so in this case it is a bit pointless.

On the other people don't interfere because they might look and idiot, get stabbed, get sued, the list is now quite extensive, so the safest best is to ignore your surroundings. - That said it's good to know not everyone is like that but it is a risk.

Stuart 03-06-2014 20:46

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35703550)
Could I remind posters that someone has already been found guilty of Contempt of Court for publishing allegations that linked the McCanns with their daughter's disappearance.

Repeating these allegations on a Forum is 'publishing'.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21534603

It's also worth reminding members that even without the threat of contempt of court, the libel laws still apply and carry hefty penalties.

Qtx 03-06-2014 21:15

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
In my opinion....her actions and emotions were not normal after Maddy went missing. You could assume it was for a few reasons including guilty of something terrible or perhaps she has a condition which affects emotions, such as aspergers, sociopath or something like that. Whether right or wrong, I have a gut feeling there is something not right with the parents.

Gary L 03-06-2014 21:35

Re: Madeline McCann - New search
 
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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35703847)
In my opinion....her actions and emotions were not normal after Maddy went missing. You could assume it was for a few reasons including guilty of something terrible or perhaps she has a condition which affects emotions, such as aspergers, sociopath or something like that. Whether right or wrong, I have a gut feeling there is something not right with the parents.

She's always come across to me like he's her carer sort of thing. not all there if you like. he does all the talking. and she just looks pretty far into space.

but I'm sure that's not the case. she probably is quite normal really. just my observation.

HopAlong 08-06-2014 18:30

Search for Madeleine
 
Hello everyone, please forgive me if this question has already been asked and answered I am new to the forum and posting for the first time!

I am unsettled by the lack of news coverage on the search for Madeleine McCann which is ongoing in Portugal and in particular the decision to search the drains and sewerage systems. Why was this not done 7 years ago? It seems to me to be one of the first places that should be checked in the case of a missing child! I have had several conflicting theories of my own over the years but I am at a loss to understand what is actually going on with the investigation at the moment, there is a lack of information forthcoming in my opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27713826

idi banashapan 08-06-2014 18:33

Re: Search for Madeleine
 
There are a number of questions which should be answered here

HopAlong 08-06-2014 18:39

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Absolutely!! She should be made to answer these questions! She should be shouting anything she knows for all the world to hear in an effort to find her daughter!

Chris 08-06-2014 18:41

Re: Search for Madeleine
 
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Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35705136)
There are a number of questions which should be answered here

There's nothing to answer there, but insinuations of the kind which already led several newspapers to pay significant damages.

Armchair detectives. :rolleyes:

idi banashapan 08-06-2014 18:46

Re: Search for Madeleine
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35705139)
There's nothing to answer there, but insinuations of the kind which already led several newspapers to pay significant damages.

Armchair detectives. :rolleyes:

I couldn't even tell you if they have been answered or not to be honest. But the fact that some of those questions are listed, implying they haven't, does seem odd. One might even say that if they haven't, it's not only concerning, but strange, if they can directly aid the answering of what happened.

HopAlong 08-06-2014 19:30

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Those are the questions asked by the Portugese Police that Kate McCann refused to answer.

Chris 08-06-2014 19:32

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrsRebus (Post 35705154)
Those are the questions asked by the Portugese Police that Kate McCann refused to answer.

Would that be the same Portuguese police that have signally failed to make any progress in this case whatsoever, and are now scurrying round the countryside under the direction of proper coppers from the UK? :scratch:

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35705142)
I couldn't even tell you if they have been answered or not to be honest. But the fact that some of those questions are listed, implying they haven't, does seem odd. One might even say that if they haven't, it's not only concerning, but strange, if they can directly aid the answering of what happened.

I'd be wary of accepting the implications of anything on any website. Anyone can set one up you know. ;)

HopAlong 08-06-2014 19:40

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Yes, thank you I am aware of that!

idi banashapan 08-06-2014 20:32

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35705156)
I'd be wary of accepting the implications of anything on any website. Anyone can set one up you know. ;)

Does that include some of the rather forceful and authoratitively presented opinions found on this site too?!? ;)

Chris 08-06-2014 20:35

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35705177)
Does that include some of the rather forceful and authoratitively presented opinions found on this site too?!? ;)

Absolutely. It's all gash, in the end. :D

Arthurgray50@blu 08-06-2014 22:02

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
I think the only time that really discuss this is - if when and when something is actually found.

I feel really frustrated at the fact that although tourism is excellent for any country. The most important thing is to find out what actually happened.

Don't forget, that at the time of her disappearance, there was a Paedo found murdered, just after.

There were also known phaedos in the area, PLUS several 'attempted' attacks and burgalries in the area. This is FACT

Derek 28-04-2015 16:39

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Goncalo Amaral, the police chief who led the initial investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has been ordered to pay her parents £357,000 in damages because of hurt caused to them following the publication of his book “The Truth of the Lie”.

The Civil Court of Lisbon also banned further sale of the book in which Mr Amaral claimed Madeleine had not been abducted, but had died in an accident in Praia da Luz.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ibel-case.html

Obviously some will now claim the courts in Portugal are also part of the cover up.

techguyone 28-04-2015 18:08

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
I suppose that's one way to stop people from 'saying the wrong thing' just sue them to death.

I'll simply say,the poor kid would never have *gone missing/killed/abducted* if the MCCanns had been responsible parents and stayed with their children.

I wouldn't have thought I could have been sued for writing that as it is the truth.

I don't suppose anyone knows what happens to all this loot that they get from various sue sprees, does it go to Charity or a good cause? that would go down a lot better than if it wasn't.

heero_yuy 28-04-2015 18:23

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Seems to me that the McCanns are making plenty of money out of this. As for what happened to Madeleine I will keep my own council.;)

Julian 17-09-2015 15:36

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Cost of ongoing investigation over £10 million to UK taxpayers

And another 2 million budgeted for the next year.

TheDaddy 17-09-2015 17:30

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35798590)
Cost of ongoing investigation over £10 million to UK taxpayers

And another 2 million budgeted for the next year.

Bit of a kick in the teeth for all the other families with missing children who the tax payer contributes pretty much bugger all to finding

Osem 17-09-2015 19:53

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
It is curious just how much time, money and effort is being directed at this sad case. I can't imagine 99.9% of other victims of child abduction are handled and resourced in the same manner and I have to ask why not?

Julian 18-09-2015 00:06

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Without a new lead a line should be drawn.

OLD BOY 23-09-2015 18:28

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35774335)
I suppose that's one way to stop people from 'saying the wrong thing' just sue them to death.

I'll simply say,the poor kid would never have *gone missing/killed/abducted* if the MCCanns had been responsible parents and stayed with their children.

I wouldn't have thought I could have been sued for writing that as it is the truth.

I don't suppose anyone knows what happens to all this loot that they get from various sue sprees, does it go to Charity or a good cause? that would go down a lot better than if it wasn't.

It used to be common practice at holiday camps in the UK (eg Pontins) to have their staff listening out for crying children in the chalets, who would then contact parents who were at last getting a bit of relaxation.

It is all very well to criticise parents who do this sort of thing, but it has been pretty common practice over the years.

This 'holier than thou' attitude really isn't very helpful. We should all be concentrating on finding out the evil person who abducted this child and stop demonising the McCanns.

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35798680)
Without a new lead a line should be drawn.

If all lines of inquiry are exhausted, unfortunately I must agree.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35798619)
It is curious just how much time, money and effort is being directed at this sad case. I can't imagine 99.9% of other victims of child abduction are handled and resourced in the same manner and I have to ask why not?

H'mm. Maybe it would be better if the police re-directed their resources away from motorists and historic abuse cases into those areas that the public consider more important (eg burglaries)!

heero_yuy 23-09-2015 18:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35799827)

This 'holier than thou' attitude really isn't very helpful. We should all be concentrating on finding out the evil person who abducted this child

If you believe that is the scenario.

Chris 23-09-2015 18:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35799846)
If you believe that is the scenario.

Belief of anything else belongs in the same category as 9/11 truthers, moon landing hoaxes and Obama birth certificate conspiracists.

All the available evidence says Madeleine McCann was abducted by person(s) unknown. Damages claims have ensued against those who have indulged their inner armchair detective with baseless speculation.

nomadking 23-09-2015 19:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35799852)
Belief of anything else belongs in the same category as 9/11 truthers, moon landing hoaxes and Obama birth certificate conspiracists.

All the available evidence says Madeleine McCann was abducted by person(s) unknown. Damages claims have ensued against those who have indulged their inner armchair detective with baseless speculation.

Well "abducted by person(s) unknown" is also "baseless speculation". It's all a matter of "well that is what must have happened" with no actual proof. Entering a room that happens to have 3 children in it, with the very high risk of somebody else coming along to one of the other rooms in the building(possibly from the FREE child-checking service that the resort had), which was also subject to frequent visits to somebody from the Tapas group. How likely is that?

heero_yuy 23-09-2015 19:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35799857)
Well "abducted by person(s) unknown" is also "baseless speculation". It's all a matter of "well that is what must have happened" with no actual proof. Entering a room that happens to have 3 children in it, with the very high risk of somebody else coming along to one of the other rooms in the building(possibly from the FREE child-checking service that the resort had), which was also subject to frequent visits to somebody from the Tapas group. How likely is that?

QED. :tu:

Osem 23-09-2015 19:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35799827)
It used to be common practice at holiday camps in the UK (eg Pontins) to have their staff listening out for crying children in the chalets, who would then contact parents who were at last getting a bit of relaxation.

It is all very well to criticise parents who do this sort of thing, but it has been pretty common practice over the years.

This 'holier than thou' attitude really isn't very helpful. We should all be concentrating on finding out the evil person who abducted this child and stop demonising the McCanns.

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If all lines of inquiry are exhausted, unfortunately I must agree.

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H'mm. Maybe it would be better if the police re-directed their resources away from motorists and historic abuse cases into those areas that the public consider more important (eg burglaries)!

Not sure if I detect a whiff of sarcasm but if not, I think speeding, aggressive, dangerous, drunk drivers are very worthy of police attention. Frankly I'd like to see more traffic police. Having been burgled and knowing it's not a pleasant experience, I'd still rather be burgled than mown down by a maniac behind the wheel of a car.

I do agree that there are more important things the police could be spending millions on now, however.

nomadking 23-09-2015 19:24

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
IIRC there was report that she had wandered off from the room on a previous night. If she had done that again, then it could still be accident or abduction, although abduction would still be risky.

Osem 23-09-2015 19:30

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If I'd known my young child had wandered off on a previous occasion, it would certainly have focussed my mind on not letting him/her out of my sight.

Chris 23-09-2015 19:34

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35799857)
Well "abducted by person(s) unknown" is also "baseless speculation". It's all a matter of "well that is what must have happened" with no actual proof. Entering a room that happens to have 3 children in it, with the very high risk of somebody else coming along to one of the other rooms in the building(possibly from the FREE child-checking service that the resort had), which was also subject to frequent visits to somebody from the Tapas group. How likely is that?

Given that you don't seem to understand the role evidence plays in enquiries of this kind, there is little point in engaging in a game of "how likely". I'm afraid there is a little more to it than positing scenarios and then arguing over how plausible they are.

There is an active investigation, led by the Met, which is currently pursuing - on the basis of a thorough review of all the evidence gathered over the last 8 years - the possibility that there was a sexual motive to Madeleine's disappearance. A number of suspects and witnesses have been interviewed in the past 12 months.

The sad fact is, the Portuguese police were culturally unable to understand the McCanns' behaviour both before and after their daughter disappeared, bungled their crime scene investigation and then filled the evidence vacuum with a baseless scenario in which the parents (either accidentally or deliberately) killed their daughter, then did such an expert job of covering it up, that the police could find no evidence of any crime, except of course the fact that a girl was missing. And the McCanns were said to have accomplished all this without prior planning, without any resources beyond the contents of their suitcases and their holiday money, and being away from home in a foreign country.

The idea is absurd beyond parody, but the shocking incompetence of the Portuguese police, and a willingness on the part of certain gullible sections of the British public to believe everything's a cover up (especially if the internet says so) have seen to it that, eight years later, we are still discussing it.

Be absolutely assured, however, that the Metropolitan Police are not pursuing a line of enquiry called "the parents did it".

Anyone interested in how a cold case is actually handled in real life, as opposed to on the telly, might do worse than to read this useful summary here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...the-truth.html

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35799862)
QED. :tu:

Hardly! But there are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

heero_yuy 23-09-2015 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35799868)
deliberately)
Be absolutely assured, however, that the Metropolitan Police are not pursuing a line of enquiry called "the parents did it".

Given over the years they've completely failed to find any creditable evidence....

OLD BOY 24-09-2015 00:40

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35799864)
Not sure if I detect a whiff of sarcasm but if not, I think speeding, aggressive, dangerous, drunk drivers are very worthy of police attention. Frankly I'd like to see more traffic police. Having been burgled and knowing it's not a pleasant experience, I'd still rather be burgled than mown down by a maniac behind the wheel of a car.

I do agree that there are more important things the police could be spending millions on now, however.

I'm sure that the thousands of motorists who have been 'done' for speeding do not consider themselves 'maniacs'.

My wife got caught out doing 33 mph in a 30 mile an hour zone. Does that constitute the driving of a 'maniac'?. It's dangerous driving rather than speeding we should be concentrating on.

The police have got their priorities out of synch with public opinion and this needs to be rectified.

nomadking 24-09-2015 01:02

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There is ZERO evidence for any particular possible scenario, so theoretically ALL options should be open. One avenue has been closed off because of sentiment and not fact.

It is difficult to sort out some of the press claims from what actually happened. Eg IIRC there were reports of "they've taken her" being said on the discovery of her being missing. If true, who was the "they" that was being referred to?
Link
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The Portuguese man said that instead of running back to the tapas bar where the McCanns and their friends were dining Kate McCann screamed: "They've taken her, they've taken her, they've taken our little girl."

Chris 24-09-2015 09:13

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Look, I know you're not going to be convinced by reason. You believe what you believe. Frankly I can live with that. Do however be aware that the British courts place limits on your freedom to express beliefs that damage another's reputation. Insinuating that the McCanns were responsible in some way for their daughter's disappearance, quite apart from being mule-headed, is libellous and has already cost several newspapers a lot of money.

heero_yuy 24-09-2015 09:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35799968)
Look, I know you're not going to be convinced by reason. You believe what you believe. Frankly I can live with that. Do however be aware that the British courts place limits on your freedom to express beliefs that damage another's reputation. Insinuating that the McCanns were responsible in some way for their daughter's disappearance, quite apart from being mule-headed, is libellous and has already cost several newspapers a lot of money.

Curious the zeal with which they persue others who do not dance to their tune.

MalteseFalcon 24-09-2015 09:44

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Putting aside my beliefs on the subject, surely it is high time they forget about this? The chances of her being alive now are slim to none. Why keep throwing taxpayers money after this investigation when there is no way she will ever be returned to Britain.

Ramrod 24-09-2015 10:06

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35799971)
Curious the zeal with which they persue others who do not dance to their tune.

I would too. If that had happened to my child and I was then subjected to the abuse and allegations they have had, I'd be outraged and out for blood.

Osem 24-09-2015 10:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35799951)
I'm sure that the thousands of motorists who have been 'done' for speeding do not consider themselves 'maniacs'.

My wife got caught out doing 33 mph in a 30 mile an hour zone. Does that constitute the driving of a 'maniac'?. It's dangerous driving rather than speeding we should be concentrating on.

The police have got their priorities out of synch with public opinion and this needs to be rectified.

I'm sure they don't and it's perfectly obvious that some will be far more serious offenders than others. Part of the problem we have on our roads is people who believe they're good drivers and clearly aren't - check out any number of the police documentaries on our screens and you will see them in abundance denying they've done stuff which is clear for all to see on video. Had your wife been doing 60 in a 30 her treatment would have been far more severe than it was so the scale of punishments takes the severity of the offence into account doesn't it. I'd imagine since you feel so badly about it neither of you will do it again so job done I'd say, whether there was intent or it was accidental. Incidentally if her actual measured speed was 33 her speedo would have been showing more than that - 35/36 I'd imagine so how is it that she didn't notice that and/or the limit applicable to the road she was on and/or the camera/police car that trapped her for that matter. I bet she will be more careful now and that's what the fines are for and that's why serial offenders, as opposed to people like your wife quite probably, are treated more harshly - they didn't learn the lesson first time around.

Of course being caught doing 33 in a 30 doesn't necessarily make someone a maniac but it doesn't preclude the possibility either because that person may regularly commit more serious offences and not have been caught. I'd have thought that was obvious but there are maniacs on our roads and it is them I am referring to. Speeding is a major factor in dangerous driving as figures for the seriousness of injuries to pedestrians show - far more chance of being killed/maimed at 20mph than 30mph for example. Driving to the limit regardless of the conditions is also stupid yet you'll regularly see drivers doing 70 (and more) on busy motorways in the pouring rain, mist, dark, fog or whatever. I'm sorry but these people are idiots and deluding themselves that they're safe because they're not or are only just over the speed limit is pathetic. If someone killed your wife, God forbid, whilst doing a 30 in a 20 or 35 in a 30 I don't suppose you'd be too happy for the police to tell you they're too busy to prosecute because they're dealing with other things.
What would you say to the parents of a young child you were responsible for killing whilst driving above the speed limit, irrespective of the reasons for doing so? Nobody's saying that speed is the only factor or that obeying the limits guarantees safe driving - it doesn't. But we have to have limits and unless they're enforced people will do what they like on our roads.

Anyway there's a thread or two on speeding here where this has all been discussed before so I suggest you read it and post there if you wish to carry this on.

Chris 24-09-2015 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35799971)
Curious the zeal with which they persue others who do not dance to their tune.

Your post is fairly typical of the approach you'd expect when dealing with a conspiracy theory - every act and circumstance is made to fit into the preconceived narrative.

TheDaddy 03-04-2016 08:49

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Six months to find her, wouldn't hold my breath

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...stigation.html

Maggy 03-04-2016 10:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35799976)
I would too. If that had happened to my child and I was then subjected to the abuse and allegations they have had, I'd be outraged and out for blood.

:clap:

However they are financially able to do so..Not everyone is.:(

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35830596)
Six months to find her, wouldn't hold my breath

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...stigation.html

I am surprised that it has continued this long but I suspect time limit or not this is a case that will still be kept open if on the back burner.

MalteseFalcon 03-04-2016 12:44

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I'm sorry, putting aside my views on this, if they haven't had a sniff of her whereabouts by now, what good is another 6 months going to do? Face it parents, the trail is frozen it's so cold.

And I'm sorry if I sound heartless, if it offends then put me on ignore.

Stuart 03-04-2016 21:13

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35799971)
Curious the zeal with which they persue others who do not dance to their tune.

Sorry for the belated reply, but I did miss this post post until just now..

While the McCanns have been quite ruthless in taking legal action, if someone accused you of either murdering your own daughter or assisting in her abduction, would you roll over and accept it, or take legal action?

TheDaddy 03-04-2016 22:44

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35830740)
Sorry for the belated reply, but I did miss this post post until just now..

While the McCanns have been quite ruthless in taking legal action, if someone accused you of either murdering your own daughter or assisting in her abduction, would you roll over and accept it, or take legal action?


You could argue their negligence assisted her abduction, not that they need to be reminded of that, they must beat themselves up everyday over it and I'm surprised they've kept any semblance of sanity without rehashing things in court every time someone says something they don't like about their daughters disappearance

heero_yuy 04-04-2016 09:57

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35830740)
Sorry for the belated reply, but I did miss this post post until just now..

While the McCanns have been quite ruthless in taking legal action, if someone accused you of either murdering your own daughter or assisting in her abduction, would you roll over and accept it, or take legal action?

Or if I was guilty of a serious misdemeaner and close inspection of alternative narratives might just reveal it...

I'll just put my tin-foil hat on. :D

Chris 04-04-2016 13:04

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
If the microwaves don't get you, the chemtrails will. ;)

Arthurgray50@blu 04-04-2016 21:29

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
I think of two things here.
One the Police have the evidence to proceed further, that's why they have had a further SIX MONTHS to investigate.

Or, if not the case should now be dropped.

But,
Didn't a child reappear recently after disappearing for twenty years.

Hom3r 04-04-2016 21:53

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I can't believe that a post I started 9 years ago is sadly still going.

But there are several things that have happened to her.

1. Can't mention due to laws of the land.

2. She was stolen to order by some uber wealthy person who wanted a white girl as a new daughter.

3. She was taken to be used by men, for reason too sickening to be even thought about let alone written down.

Arthurgray50@blu 04-04-2016 23:46

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Hom3r Points two and three, l totally agree with both.
When it came out, concerning Men. There were reports that there were some Pheadphiles in the area. The same day she disappeared. And that a well known British Phedo had been murdered. And that a man was spotted carrying a child. Away from the villa.

And, it was suggested that she was kidnapped by order.

Nothing surprised me about this disappearance. In fact, it would not surprise me that in a couple of years. She turns up somewhere. Over the years, there have been reports of missing children, turning up suddenly.

On the biggest issue. Did the Parents kill there own child - Definate NO. The British police would not go through all this trouble, if they did. That would be the first thing they would have checked.

Kursk 05-04-2016 01:24

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35830889)
Didn't a child reappear recently after disappearing for twenty years.

Jaycee Dugard disappeared for 18 years and had 2 children with her abductor.

The chances of Madeleine McCann reappearing seem slim but one can but hope. Her parents have experienced a living hell.

kirk1690 05-04-2016 05:17

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35800012)
Your post is fairly typical of the approach you'd expect when dealing with a conspiracy theory - every act and circumstance is made to fit into the preconceived narrative.

Dogs Don't Lie

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35799972)
Putting aside my beliefs on the subject, surely it is high time they forget about this? The chances of her being alive now are slim to none. Why keep throwing taxpayers money after this investigation when there is no way she will ever be returned to Britain.

Follow Gerry's Missing Tennis Sports Bag.... ?

Osem 05-04-2016 14:15

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
There's certainly a whole lot of unanswered questions about so much of his case as I just discovered doing a fairly cursory search just now. Some of it appears quite staggering.

Mick 21-04-2022 22:45

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
BREAKING Suspect charged in Germany over Madeleine McCann disappearance: Portugal prosecutor : - AFP News Agency

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...ice-first-time

pip08456 22-04-2022 00:15

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36119767)
BREAKING Suspect charged in Germany over Madeleine McCann disappearance: Portugal prosecutor : - AFP News Agency

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...ice-first-time

There is no mention of him being charged in that article, just that he has been named as a suspect.

nomadking 22-04-2022 00:34

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Quote:

The publication reported that naming Brueckner as an “arguido” , meaning a named suspect, could be linked to the upcoming 15th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, as Portugal’s statute of limitations has a strict 15-year time limit for serious crimes.
...
Friedrich Fuelscher, Brueckner’s lawyer, said: “I assume this measure is a procedural artifice to stop the statute of limitations.
The McCann's themselves were at one point "arguidos".
No actual evidence required,

Mick 22-04-2022 00:56

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36119779)
There is no mention of him being charged in that article, just that he has been named as a suspect.

Yup. AFP News Agency have since issued a correction:

CORRECTION: Man declared 'official suspect' in Germany in Madeleine McCann case: Portuguese prosecutor (Changes charged to declared 'official suspect') - AFP News Agency.

Paul 22-04-2022 02:09

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Dont they have a new "suspect" every year, none of which ever goes any further.

TheDaddy 22-04-2022 02:17

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36119786)
Dont they have a new "suspect" every year, none of which ever goes any further.

Don't the police out there have a new suspect everytime the funding is close to running out and the investigation might end!!

Mick 22-04-2022 09:28

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Think it’s linked to Statute of limitations in Germany, 15 year limit is almost up.

Hom3r 22-04-2022 13:25

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 
Who would have thought that when I started this post in May 2007, she would still be missing.

Paul 22-04-2022 14:12

Re: Madeleine McCann
 
Its sad she still is, she would have been 18 now.


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