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Or, Redwood was playing Snap and the EU was playing Texas Hold ‘Em... ;)

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China, India and the USA to name three.

New Zealand, Brazil, Australia to name another three.

In fact there aren’t that many that do.


http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/cou...nts/#_in-place

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Look - there are two camps here.

1/
Those who favour the economic arguments and the lower risk in that respect of remaining in the EU.

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Those who place sovereignty above being regulated by the EU. This faction is further spurred by the EU’s attitude to negotiations.

Add to that mix an incompetent guvmin and we get to the ridiculous situation where even prominent Leavers are opining that remaining is better than the current TB deal.

The UK is in real turmoil and much of the future is in Parliament’s hands. With Leave/Remain now united in rejecting TB’s folly, the crisis will only deepen.

However, the best bet, and it is a gamble, would be for a new PM to call the EU’s bluff, go for no deal and see if the EU panic.

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It’s really the only game in town.

Leave, just walk away, like you threatened at the very beginning.

See how quickly things would get sorted out. I think very quickly.

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Just leave as the referendum demands. THEN talk a trade deal. Anything else is a sell out.

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why would they panic it us that has the much weaker hand in these talks

it not them that fall of cliff edge it us yes they lose a bit but we lose much more
it not them that be only one in world with 0 trade deals it us and there is countries all ready objecting to our WTO terms
it not them that have a medicine shortage it us ect

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Still banging the Project fear drum I see Dave..... :rolleyes:

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I would prefer to know what the deal is before jumping to the conclusion that no deal is the best option. All we have at present is media speculation.

If we feel that the proposed deal TM has negotiated is not good for the UK, then certainly, we go for the full monty. But it is too early to judge now.

Some of the stuff people are complaining about TM has already said no PM would agree to. We shouldn't be losing our nerve at this stage in particular. For God's sake, let the woman see what she can do before we criticise her. For the umpteenth time, this is a negotiation! All these 'noises off' are a distraction and playing into Barnier's hands.

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Cabinet ministers voiced doubts at PM's preferred Brexit plan from the start.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46175150

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Still signed up to it though didn't they ?

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A cabinet split from top to bottom.

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The only cards TM holds are a bunch of Jokers ..

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Maybe they have put down their religious texts, done their due diligence and realised the reality of the current situation?

The country needs to be able to make an informed consent: the very basis of our Democracy.

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/statu...15908387618816

I looked up Democratic Centralism. Fits the bill perfectly:

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Sigh. The country made their informed consent in June 2016!!! :rolleyes:

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Incorrect .. as we can now all plainly see ..

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It wasn't informed as the leave deal was not done and various leave politicians offered contradictory messages eg still staying in EEA, not staying in the EEA.
The UK Government should have negotiated with the EU without the disadvantageous time pressure of Article 50 which favours the hand of the EU then offered the country the two choices.