Cable Forum - Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

Remoaner misinformation again!

The question on the ballot paper was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?".

By your logic all those who voted to remain can be discounted therefore 100% of those who voted were leavers.

A 100% result cannot be argued with.

Irrelevant when you are already in :) That is what all the legal challenge was about. Pendantic I know. But true. We had to come out as we were already in.

Doesn't take away from the fact that Tony Blair apparently signed the Treaty of Rome in 1957. Proves some people really didn't know what they were voting for.

Osem	07-09-2017 17:20

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Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 35915635)

So he was about in 1957 then? And here was me thinking that we didn't join until 1973 as well. Gosh history is being rewritten well today.

Next thing you will be telling me that from 2019, £350 million a week will be spent on building new hospitals. Mind you, reading through some of the posts it looks like 60% of the population (those that didn't vote to leave) will have to emigrate if they express an opinion so at least the existing hospitals will have spaces (mainly for EU migrants for the immediate two years afterwards anyway).

Well he was around in 1957 yes as he was born in 1953 but it was a bit too early for him to be much involved in politics.

Yes we joined the EEC in 1973 a very different animal from what the EU has since become and therein lies much of the problem - a European Economic Community comprised of a small number of broadly similar nations as opposed to a European Union heading inevitably towards a single European state comprised of a much larger number of very different nations.

I explained my error re the Lisbon treaty (which I wrongly called the treaty of Rome in my original post*) but maybe you were so occupied worrying about having to emigrate that you missed that bit. You're not denying the role Blair played in any of that or that it resulted in powers being ceded to the EU are you? That would be rewriting history you know.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=2799

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He wasn't as I'm sure you know.

It was the Lisbon treaty I was referring to. Blair signed the UK up to the new European Constitution which then culminated in the Lisbon Treaty actually signed by Brown after Blair's resignation. The end result, so far as the UK's sovereignty is concerned, was the same and it's hardly surprising that having been deprived of one promised referendum then, those of us who want to leave the EU might be just a bit sensitive about the same politicians trying to undo the vote we were finally allowed to have.

Bircho

07-09-2017 17:25

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35915652)

Well he was around in 1957 yes as he was born in 1953.

I explained my error re the Lisbon treaty (which I wrongly called the treat of Rome in my original post*) but maybe you were so occupied worrying about having to emigrate that you missed that bit. You're not denying the role Blair played in any of that or that it resulted in powers being ceded to the EU are you? That would be rewriting history you know.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=2799

Ok. So this Treaty of Lisbon. Just remind me what powers they grabbed from us (or do you mean that things now went to the European Parliament which were voted on by democratically elected European MPs instead of being decided on by 27 people round a table).

Osem	07-09-2017 17:35

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Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 35915654)

If you read my post you'll see I specifically stated the powers weren't grabbed they were effectively ceded to Europe by PM's of various governments and Blair promised a referendum on the subject which he then reneged on, thereby preventing the electorate from have their say at the time.

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Of course certain of our own governments have effectively ceded powers to the EU in the past. Whilst those powers can't be said to have been 'grabbed' by anyone, they're no longer within parliament's sole control, the effect on the UK's sovereignty is exactly the same and that is what led to the referendum result. We were asked whether we wanted to stay or leave the EU and gave our answer. Blair signed the Treaty of Rome having promised that there'd be a referendum on it but reneged on that promise. So no the EU didn't grab those powers from the UK, they were effectively donated by a PM whose love of the EU is very well known and who is still today trying to undermine the referendum result. Yet another politician who only respects democracy when it yields the required outcome. Quelle surprise.

Ignitionnet

07-09-2017 18:45

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Predictably and inevitably the Standard are putting the boot in on this issue.

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a3629186.html

This is a very interesting one. Opinions run a range from considering it akin to The Enabling Act of 1933 through to that any dissension on it is akin to being a traitor to the UK.

The House of Lords have voiced their concern.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/09/6.jpg

Something along these lines is required to ensure a smooth exit from the European Union. This particular version? Really not.

David Davis took the government of the day to court to ensure the sovereignty of Parliament but now he's trying to bypass it. John Redwood has reverted to doublespeak.

ianch99

07-09-2017 19:20

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The whole thing started with folly and now has reached farce. Maybe fiasco is next? :)

1andrew1

07-09-2017 21:37

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35915592)

Yep we all know Brexit is happening but personally l welcome Ignitionnet well thought out articulated posts as nowt much of that seems to be coming from our elected politicians currently or from some on here.

I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.

Osem	07-09-2017 23:32

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It's nice to see the Eurocrats being so mature again.

https://order-order.com/2017/09/07/barnier-eats-words/

ianch99

07-09-2017 23:41

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35915697)

I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.

I agree. The only way is up, right? :)

Remind me, how is "debate" defined again on this forum?

daveeb

07-09-2017 23:58

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35915707)

I agree. The only way is up, right? :)

Remind me, how is "debate" defined again on this forum?

you lost snowflake we're leaving ;):):erm::dozey::(:angel::monkey::o::D

;)

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35915697)

I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.

Currently unsurpassed i'm afraid.

TheDaddy

08-09-2017 05:06

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35915588)

thanks it's nice to be noticed :tu:

Makes a change for you to :)

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35915697)

I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.

Some didn't want the level raised before the vote, why would they want it raised now

ianch99

08-09-2017 09:23

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35915710)

you lost snowflake we're leaving ;):):erm::dozey::(:angel::monkey::o::D

;)

Yup, that's about right ...

Osem	08-09-2017 11:32

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35915710)

you lost snowflake we're leaving ;):):erm::dozey::(:angel::monkey::o::D

That's a tad selective. There's plenty of reasoned debate in this thread an others on the EU subject.

Hugh	08-09-2017 12:16

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35915740)

That's a tad selective. There's plenty of reasoned debate in this thread an others on the EU subject.

True, but there's also a plethora of what he stated...

Kursk

08-09-2017 12:22

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35915697)

I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.

Oh, it'll be a 'bunch' of fun.

Returning from a ban for ad hominem attacks on forum members and admin, I just hope the foul-mouthed braggart can keep his smugness in check and manners on display :rolleyes:.

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