Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996579)

You are making the false assumption that is the only reason anyone would vote for them. Labour have a commitment to a second referendum if they can’t force a general election so can the People’s Vote campaign claim them?

Originally Posted by jfman

So many elections you don’t believe they’d vote for it in a second referendum.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35996570)

If you look at the wording in the article (don’t have link to hand but will dig out) it’s comparing those who advocate a ‘hard Brexit’ vs remain so whilst your data is correct in total it also shows that in direct comparison between leaving with no deal and remaining, remain holds the advantage (at the moment)

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35996584)

Wrong wrong wrong - Labour have a policy of honouring the referendum - I repeat that this is why Labour support went to Lib Democrats.

You are still LYING - pack it in - I have made no false assumption - the data is there - the UK still wants to leave the EU - nothing you say changes this, so stop lying!!!

Yawn - :zzz: clutching at straws with your you want a second referendum mantra, that leave would easily win again based on last nights results, that's why the country doesn't want one. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35996582)

On overall vote share remain vs above wins that cannot be denied there is no mandate whatsoever for no deal

So we get back to the same position as before neither of the main parties want to pin their colours to the mast for fear of alienating voters

The Brexit part I doubt will take a significant share of the vote in a GE

Which leaves BRINO which neither side wants or a 2nd referendum

If the politicians won’t decide the people must a 2nd referendum containing two options

Leave immediately with no deal
Remain

It’s time to shit or get off the pot. The paralysis cannot continue

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35996585)

Remain voters do not have the advatage over leave voters, though, do they?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35996587)

I am sorry (well actually I am not) but this is just not accurate - Remain did not win above leave - Remain has lost 2 elections and a referendum now, when will "some" of you Remainers wake up and accept the Democratic result of 2016, 2017 and now 2019?!?!?!? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996586)

You don’t want one because you know you’d lose. That doesn’t equate to the country not wanting one.

The data is there you are either unable or unwilling to interpret it in a constructive or meaningful way. Which is fine. But it’s completely disingenuous to call another person a liar while misrepresenting Labour Party policy to suit your agenda.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996588)

There’s no way of applying that result to the future referendum. 34 million people voted in the last referendum, many of whom didn’t vote last Thursday but undoubtedly would next time.

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When leave wins the next referendum.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35996592)

The data is there, and it shows the leave won. You've lost again, jfman, and cannot bring yourself to admit it.

Keep chewing, mate, but eventually, you have to swallow.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996586)

You don’t want one because you know you’d lose. That doesn’t equate to the country not wanting one.

The data is there you are either unable or unwilling to interpret it in a constructive or meaningful way. Which is fine. But it’s completely disingenuous to call another person a liar while misrepresenting Labour Party policy to suit your agenda.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35996592)

The data is there, and it shows the leave won. You've lost again, jfman, and cannot bring yourself to admit it.

Keep chewing, mate, but eventually, you have to swallow.

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So much speculation. So little in the way of facts.

Leave won.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996588)

There’s no way of applying that result to the future referendum. 34 million people voted in the last referendum, many of whom didn’t vote last Thursday but undoubtedly would next time.

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When leave wins the next referendum.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35996596)

I am not misrepresenting Labour Party Policy - they ran on honouring the result of the referendum and doing a deal with the tories - You are a liar.

I am very capable of reading and interpreting data, some one links to a piss poor image, who conveniently misses the Tories out of the % total when it campaigned on a leave ticket - gimme a break. :rolleyes:

Remain did not win last night, this is a fact - Strong party for Remain, that's the Lib Dems lost out big time vs. Brexit Party. They are the victors and the country does not want to remain in the EU - also a fact*.

* Data based on 2016 Referendum result, 2017 Election Result and now 2019 EU Elections result.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996595)

It doesn’t show that at all, you are clearly aware of this hence remain unable to present a viable argument.

Remain only has to win once, all the leave victories so far haven’t done it any good.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35996598)

Wrong - there will not be another referendum so stop going on about it FFS. :mad:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35996598)

Wrong - there will not be another referendum so stop going on about it FFS. :mad:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996599)

So where does the second referendum come into Labour Party policy, as agreed by the party conference? Why are you ignoring that inconvenient truth?