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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

A bit of light entertainment at Phorm's expense - b3ta's photo challenge this week is "Advertising from the future" and one member has already dished up a Phorm-related offering:

http://www.b3ta.com/board/8270099

:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter (Post 34524473)

So now Kent is redefining the concept of yes as anything that isn't a resounding no. And this is a company that wants people to talk to it one to one?

The public meeting concerns me some. I can't help but think there will be lots of Phorm drones there lapping up every word Ertregrul says. Will Dr Clayton and those who oppose Phorm be given the same chances to speak as Phorm? Will it be recorded and posted in full for those who can't get there to see?

Part of me thinks Phorm has got something lined up here and their PR drones will be there in force.

Now if I was the paranoid type I'd start to think along the lines of the "Anonymous" organisation who protest against the Church of Scientology. A lot of them wear V masks to mask their identity...

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I'm getting a 502 error on there too. My comment is:

"Hi Rory, as you may be aware if you've been following any of the various discussions about Phorm, the opt-out "presented" by Phorm is based on a cookie. This means that although you've said "no" to receiving adverts your web activity is still mirrored to Phorm's systems.

Many people have made it clear to Virgin Media (of whom I am currently a customer) that an opt-out has to guarantee that their data goes nowhere near Phorm's systems.

Mr Etregrul's assertion that "neutral polling that this is something they [customers] want." is complete and utter hogwash. Internet advertising is a bugbear, a nuisance and is tolerated with a heavy heart by many.

Solutions are available which minimise the amount of advertising a user is exposed to and I use a number of them myself. The difference it makes in the speed of a page downloading is considerable.

Mr Etregrul's logic is flawed and is that of a spin doctor trying to fight off a growing resistance.

Check The Register's ever growing report file on Phorm at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_roundup/

Phorm is (in my view) illegal and offers nothing of value to the broadband customer. I will not be opting in and I will be advising everyone I know to have nothing to do with Phorm."

This is why it is so important to get as many people there as possible. Dr Richard Clayton is heavily out numbered on the list of speakers, he needs our support as much as we need to raise our own issues. I would be deeply disappointed if after all the work over the past 2 months, no-one in the area can muster up the motivation to attend.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[QUOTE=CaptJamieHunter;34524473]
Now if I was the paranoid type I'd start to think along the lines of the "Anonymous" organisation who protest against the Church of Scientology. A lot of them wear V masks to mask their identity...

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Well I'm up for heading up to London wearing a V mask, Next question is where do I buy one?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by LadyMinion (Post 34524479)

Very amusing :)

Alexander Hanff

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[quote=Winston Smith;34524483]

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Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter (Post 34524473)

Now if I was the paranoid type I'd start to think along the lines of the "Anonymous" organisation who protest against the Church of Scientology. A lot of them wear V masks to mask their identity...

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Well I'm up for heading up to London wearing a V mask, Next question is where do I buy one?

V masks are available from Forbidden Planet. Of course wearing masks in London can be a bit dangerous...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter (Post 34524473)

Mr Etregrul's assertion that "neutral polling that this is something they [customers] want." is complete and utter hogwash. Internet advertising is a bugbear, a nuisance and is tolerated with a heavy heart by many.

I wouldn't get too wound up by that, this is old material for Kent.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post1085.html

That was from the second web chat they did in mid march, so he's got nothing new really. Broken record syndrome, he's on the desperate side now I think if he's resorting to that line again after all this time.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Fair enough, I don't mind turning up wearing one, but I would rather not be the only one. Any more volunteers? I don't want to be the only one shot.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by JackSon (Post 34524493)

*nods* but if I can get the comment posted then I get a potentially wider audience for it than posting it on El Reg. Spreading the education :)

On the speakers' list for this meeting, who else is listed? Will there be a code of conduct in force? (Public meetings I've heard about from work colleagues have often been dangerous and rowdy affairs)

If Dr Clayton is outnumbered then how can the meeting be an independent and fair one?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

As Kent Kurtugurl has some Russian connections, if I was being paranoid, I would worry about Polonium radiation poisoning...

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Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter (Post 34524500)

Details of the event can be found here (including the list of speakers):

http://www.8020thinking.com/events

Don't forget to email 80/20 Thinking in advance to let them know you are coming (as is requested on the event web page).

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

It's fair because they've decided the meeting should be opt-in rather than opt-out.

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The "V for Vendetta" mask is an excellent idea by the way.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Ravenheart (Post 34524504)

Move over Lolcats.. here's a lol phorm

http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/V...px?ciid=896279

http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/V...px?ciid=836361

BT logo.... *twitch* *twitch*

Just another thought - if people are going to attend the meeting and hand out flyers, etc, there may be local bye laws about such. And taking photos anywhere in London can end up getting you stop and searched.

I note that the panel discussion does not feature Dr Clayton. Where is the impartiality there?

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34524514)

The "V for Vendetta" mask is an excellent idea by the way.

Alexander Hanff

I can't claim the idea - that was something I saw a few weeks back :)

A quick check and they're Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£4.99 from your local Forbidden Planet, though your local sci-fi store might well stock them as well.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

now we need to do a Phorm version of the V speech :P

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This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-ÃƒÆ’Ã‚ -vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.

I'll see what I can do