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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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I note that the Repeal Bill is so wide in its scope that a Minister could use the powers granted by the Bill to modify the Bill.
This section really seem a good idea? Section 2 means the restrictions in sections 3 and 4 may be removed, section 1 ensures this is at the sole discretion of the Government. I'm sure there'll be some junk amendment attempts that should be thrown away but this needs work. It's an affront to democracy, not respecting it, to sideline Parliament entirely in this manner. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/09/1.jpg |
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What I find sad but unsurprising is that the Leave campaign went on and on about "taking back control" and Parliamentary sovereignty and yet when this flawed Bill is put forward they are quiet. Maybe they hate the EU so much they are prepared to accommodate Leaving at any cost |
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---------- Post added at 20:17 ---------- Previous post was at 19:58 ---------- Meanwhile, this looks like the kind of crazy idea the Darling Buds of May (Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill) would have dreamt up back in the day. No wonder the business community is not rushing to sign it! It's lifted from the playbook of China or Russia. Quote:
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Didn't have long to wait till the repercussions of that leaked document start to hit home!
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I don't get how anyone claiming that Brexit will bring sovereignty and democracy can support that bill without amendments.
It does something the EU doesn't, it makes Parliament no longer sovereign. Ministers none of the population voted into their roles can amend legal acts with no Parliamentary scrutiny, debate or vote. If you support the bill as it stands you don't support Parliamentary sovereignty or Parliamentary democracy. It's agreed something along those lines is needed, but most definitely not what's proposed. If, as we keep hearing, the people voted for democracy and Parliamentary sovereignty respecting their votes is rejecting executive power grab and ensuring Ministers have the bare minimum they need, that they will be heavily scrutinised and that the final say on the end product is taken by Parliament, if not the people, though it should probably be Parliament. We are a representative Parliamentary democracy, not a direct or delegation one after all. In its current form the Government could make a complete and utter cock up of Brexit. They could either leave us the EU's bitch, paying huge amounts into the budget forever, or they could leave us unable to fly planes due to no Open Skies agreement with no access to nuclear materials due to not replacing Euratom and massive queues at borders for freight, crippling JiT split chains. We could do nothing over this. Our MPs would get no vote and no opportunity for debate. Whatever side of the wider debate you are on I can't see how this can be supported without beign obsessed with leaving the EU at any cost - even your and your elected representative's ability to scrutinise and vote on the end result. You like this bill there's got to be something higher up your priority list than either sovereignty or democracy. This curls a great big one out all over both of them. Incidentally when the PM claimed the Lords were in favour she lied. They are absolutely not in favour of what she has put forward, just the concept that some use of Prerogative powers is needed, not their use subject to vague and worthless restrictions, as Ministers get to interpret the restrictions and can remove them at their discretion. |
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i wish the remoans would bring out a new record something no so repetitive would be nice .:blah:
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At the moment there is so much that can't be done by the UK parliament because the EU has grabbed control. The complexity of it all, just shows how much control the EU has. The priority to change all legislation that is controlled by the EU to be brought under sole UK control instead. No major initial amendments are going to be made. Any further amendments can come later and be set by the UK parliament in the normal way of things.
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So you say: "At the moment there is so much that can't be done by the UK parliament because the EU has grabbed control"
I say "For example" You say that there are a number of EU regulations etc. But where have they "grabbed control". Or to be specific, please could you detail me any single one of them where the EU have "grabbed control" over us. |
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It is totally irrelevant what they are and even if 100% of the UK population agrees with something. The point is that if 100% of the UK population disagreed with something, then nothing could be done. |
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Of course certain of our own governments have effectively ceded powers to the EU in the past. Whilst those powers can't be said to have been 'grabbed' by anyone, they're no longer within parliament's sole control, the effect on the UK's sovereignty is exactly the same and that is what led to the referendum result. We were asked whether we wanted to stay or leave the EU and gave our answer. Blair signed the Treaty of Rome having promised that there'd be a referendum on it but reneged on that promise. So no the EU didn't grab those powers from the UK, they were effectively donated by a PM whose love of the EU is very well known and who is still today trying to undermine the referendum result. Yet another politician who only respects democracy when it yields the required outcome. Quelle surprise.
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