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As I see it those businesses will close, the public won't support higher prices to pay these wages when there's a cheaper foreign option, £30 an hour for picking broccoli and we still won't do it and I disagree with you and David "thick as mince" Davis about what industry would and wouldn't have known, I remember them begging for advice and being left to fend for themselves

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But Industry was told by the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union / Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union, David Davis that "There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside".

Are you saying Industry should have planned for things they were told weren’t going to happen?

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You said time was against the government so I explained it could have had longer if it had wanted to.

I'm not sure that using inflammatory language (which we've been requested to avoid) makes for a constructive debate Old Boy and I encourage you to rise above it.

With an 80-seat majority, I can't see what trouble could have been caused. Waving a few EU flags in Parliament Square?

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At the rate we’re going, there will be no trade with the EU so there won’t be an alternative cheap labour option. If Macron gets his way, that is!

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Apparently, we should now all have believed Project Fear all along and it's our fault for not doing so!

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There is no other word I can remember that describes those remainers who won’t accept the democratic decision of the British people.

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You'll have to try a bit harder. But the point you're trying to make is void as Johnson had an 80-seat majority.

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The issue was it didn't know as the deal was only signed on Christmas Eve!

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He'd be the first to moan if someone called him a brexshitter though

Don't know why you're fixated with the EU, it's a big old world we opened ourselves up to and we'll see how patriotic we really are when it comes to shopping and paying the price

The latest lie they're peddling is that it was all part of their plan all along, wonder why they kept it to themselves and labelled those telling the truth liars and Project Fearmongers

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Just seen this. Exactly. It's the opposite of trouble that would have occurred during this 12-month extension - planning and mitigation.

Unfortunately, these days I struggle to tell the difference between posts from Conservative supporters and posts from Jeremy Corbyn supporters. They all seem to be laying the blame at the door of hardworking British business as a cheap scape goat for their Party's failings.

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So if a Labour Government gets into power (I know, I know, very unlikely, but for the sake of discussion), how would you describe those who spoke out against any policies they implemented, as those policies would have been due to the democratic decision of the British people?

Would they be "traitors"?

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That's probably not true if you previously only ever imported from or exported to the EU. At worst if you were an exporter, you had to complete Eurostat submissions monthly and that was if you exported a lot.

In my company, we were lucky in that we have an EU based warehouse that shipped to EU and non-EU countries so there was some experience of the requirements for various levels of trade agreement with the EU. This meant we could war game various scenarios from no deal upwards on what might be required to ship to the UK.

The biggest difficulty was that we and our customers didn't know what was going to happen. For trade compliance lovers, our company ships using 'Delivered at Place' or DAP Incoterms meaning that we ship to our customer but they are liable for import clearance and duties. My customers did not know what that would mean to them until the 24th December. They could have some guesses but no clarity until a week before the deal, if any, would come in to effect.

in the meantime, our 12 customer service representatives had to be trained up on trade compliance issues that might or might not happen while at the same time handling the year end rush for orders and invoicing. We also had to sandbox test our order handling system for the most likely scenarios to make sure that they would all work if needed.

My company was lucky in having the resources in place to try and make this all as smooth as possible. Even then, the disruption was considerable with a team of 8 people working on this full time by November 2020. This is why they won an award from our CEO! Smaller companies would not have the resources to make the transition as smooth as it was for my company.

It's much like the old y2k thing - not much happened but that was because many, many people were working in the background to make sure nothing happened

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A great post - thanks for taking the time to share your practical experience with the Forum.

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Yes, shame it'll be poo pooed by people who know better coz they read it on Facebook or have a feeling

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That'll be the brexshitters then..:erm: