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Mr K 08-11-2018 10:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35969648)
Yawn, more claptrap. No the EU is too busy drumming up a E.U. DefenseArmy, that Nick Clegg said would never happen.

Roll on 29/3/19 when we can rid ourselves of this con job joke of a union.
Keep telling you Mick it's defence. We aren't another state of the US (yet!)

On the 29/3 we shall no doubt still be on the/a customs union, following EU rules but with no say. Don't quite know what you think will change.

Mick 08-11-2018 12:05
Re: Brexit
 
Defense or defence - who gives a shit ?

I don't - still same meaning at the end of the day!!!

Mr K 08-11-2018 12:33
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35969686)
Defense or defence - who gives a shit ?

I don't - still same meaning at the end of the day!!!
Sorry Miick, personal irritation of mine, American spellings and phrases creeping in everywhere. Maybe a sign of the way this country is going. We're English/British and proud after all ;)

OLD BOY 08-11-2018 12:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35969673)
Keep telling you Mick it's defence. We aren't another state of the US (yet!)

On the 29/3 we shall no doubt still be on the/a customs union, following EU rules but with no say. Don't quite know what you think will change.
We can only remain in the customs union until the end of the transition period at the latest because we want to strike our own trade deals.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969667)
Well we could have vetoed a EU army.

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Let another reason to stay in the EU IMO: https://twitter.com/DianeJamesMEP/st...39304787202048
No, it's another reason why the EU wants a tariff-free deal with the UK!

Dave42 08-11-2018 13:33
Re: Brexit
 
Dominic Raab gives Remainers an early Xmas present with ‘mindblowing’ admission

The Brexit secretary has only just learned the importance of trade through the Dover-Calais crossing.

https://www.totalpolitics.com/articl...217;-admission

OLD BOY 08-11-2018 13:40
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35969697)
Dominic Raab gives Remainers an early Xmas present with ‘mindblowing’ admission

The Brexit secretary has only just learned the importance of trade through the Dover-Calais crossing.

https://www.totalpolitics.com/articl...ing’-admission
He actually said he didn't appreciate the full extent of it. That's different from saying he didn't know it was important.

Yet another remark taken out of context and blown up out of all proportion to make a story.

No wonder so many people are cynical about what they are told by the media.

denphone 08-11-2018 13:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35969697)
Dominic Raab gives Remainers an early Xmas present with ‘mindblowing’ admission

The Brexit secretary has only just learned the importance of trade through the Dover-Calais crossing.

https://www.totalpolitics.com/articl...ing’-admission
You really could not make up such incompetence by some in HMG.

1andrew1 08-11-2018 13:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35969697)
Dominic Raab gives Remainers an early Xmas present with ‘mindblowing’ admission

The Brexit secretary has only just learned the importance of trade through the Dover-Calais crossing.

https://www.totalpolitics.com/articl...ing’-admission
More Project Fear! :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969698)
He actually said he didn't appreciate the full extent of it. That's different from saying he didn't know it was important.

Yet another remark taken out of context and blown up out of all proportion to make a story.

No wonder so many people are cynical about what they are told by the media.
Is this Project Semantics? ;)

Mr K 08-11-2018 14:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969698)
He actually said he didn't appreciate the full extent of it.
Well the crossing goes from our coast to their coast, it is a mind blowing concept :D

Sephiroth 08-11-2018 17:05
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35969613)
Brexiters were quoting the Working Time Directive yesterday (not 2016) when the fines of Leave.EU and Arron Banks were making headlines. Strange that.
<SNIP>
You're strange. I've said that Aaron Banks is for the clutching-at-straw merchants. I've also said what I've always said about the EU being a con-merchant organisation and explained why.

It beggars belief that several Remainers on this thread are in denial over things like that.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969698)
He actually said he didn't appreciate the full extent of it. That's different from saying he didn't know it was important.

Yet another remark taken out of context and blown up out of all proportion to make a story.

No wonder so many people are cynical about what they are told by the media.
If Raab didn't appreciate the full extent of the importance of Dover-Calais (have I misunderstood?) then what hope is there for us with this cabinet?

OLD BOY 08-11-2018 17:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35969719)
If Raab didn't appreciate the full extent of the importance of Dover-Calais (have I misundderstood?) then what hope is there for us with this cabinet?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Dover only handles 6% of the total amount of freight handled at UK ports, and no doubt he was looking at it in that light.

heero_yuy 08-11-2018 17:54
Re: Brexit
 
Well if the French want to play up the Dutch are only too keen to take the business.

Sephiroth 08-11-2018 18:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969690)
We can only remain in the customs union until the end of the transition period at the latest because we want to strike our own trade deals.

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No, it's another reason why the EU wants a tariff-free deal with the UK!
The EU has no intention of reaching a trade deal with the UK except on their terms - which are being bound to the Customs Union.

Surely that is staring you in the face? The evidence is glaring in front of you.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969727)
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Dover only handles 6% of the total amount of freight handled at UK ports, and no doubt he was looking at it in that light.
Beg to differ

https://www.britishports.org.uk/syst...time_ports.pdf

A snippet:

At present roughly half of the trade passing through the sea ports of the UK is customs free trade with the other 27 members of the EU. Dover is the dominant port for EU trade, accounting for 22% of the total (exports plus imports)
.

Hom3r 08-11-2018 18:31
Re: Brexit
 
I think remoaners are trying anything to discredit the leavers.

If they actually put energy into helping leave it would be better.

OLD BOY 08-11-2018 18:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35969729)
The EU has no intention of reaching a trade deal with the UK except on their terms - which are being bound to the Customs Union.

Surely that is staring you in the face? The evidence is glaring in front of you.



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Beg to differ

https://www.britishports.org.uk/syst...time_ports.pdf

A snippet:

At present roughly half of the trade passing through the sea ports of the UK is customs free trade with the other 27 members of the EU. Dover is the dominant port for EU trade, accounting for 22% of the total (exports plus imports)
.
Firstly, the simple fact is that if the EU doesn't climb down from its high horse, there will be no trade deal. But then you have the Ireland/Northern Ireland border problem, and the EU doesn't want a hard border. Something has to give.

On your second point, that 6% figure was quoted by the BBC just today and it is correct. The figures you quote relate to UK/EU trade. It seems to me that Raab was assuming EU trade could take place from many other ports, but maybe didn't take full account of the impact of that on speedy and frictionless trade. Incidentally, this is a new role for him, so this initial period of office is when you become aware of some finer details which may not have been clear to you before taking on the role.


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