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Project Fear has hit a new low by 2 former Prime Ministers telling those in Northern Ireland that leaving the EU would lead to the break up of the UK and that the troubles could return to said country. They also claim it will trigger another referendum on Scottish independence. (See today's news on BBC..) This has been described by those in NI as very dangerous talk. Just how low are Remain prepared to go to win this vote?

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I also heard that In-supporters, have exhausted the In Campaign's stocks of Blinkers and Rose Tinted Glasses ;)

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I know, I know..

We had things then you don't have nowadays - rickets, diphtheria, asbestosis, Hitler...


Ahhhhh, the good old days.... :D

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I thought that was because the Brexiteers had bulk purchased them, in place of any detailed plans.... ;)

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....smallpox, polio, whooping cough, sherbet dabs, cold war...

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And two world wars..

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The good old days :)

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About the same as Leave. They are both as bad as each other ..

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We can't produce detailed plans for something that has never been done before! :shrug:

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Somehow I think the EU is more likely to help create WWIII than prevent it. We'll see whether they've learned anything much from the Ukraine situation in due course.

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Quite.

Whatever option is taken as a result of the referendum there is NO certainty. HMG, with supposedly the best minds working on forecasts etc. is constantly getting its predictions wrong so let's not pretend that anything's certain other than death, taxes and duplicitous politicians. Can they say with any certainty what's going to happen in the EU/Eurozone over the next months/years? Clearly not so let's not pretend anyone can be certain of anything except what we know has happened to date.

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Brilliant! Thank you ..

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What is there to learn? Ukraine was caught between two nations and many inside in Ukraine did not want closer ties with Russia, maybe remembering the last time, and closer ties with Europe. Now that's not a great divide to have in a country but it's not the EU's fault that people desired to be closer to Europe politically than Russia. The deal from the EU was not accession but a association agreement although even if it was to begin accession talks it would still be the decision of the Ukrainian people.

It was Russia who attempted to subvert that and it was eventually Russia again who invaded Ukraine and took over the Crimean Peninsula.

As far as I can see the only fault of the EU is entering talks with Ukraine against the will of Russia.

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Russia made it clear over twenty years ago Damien when communism fell for the west not to expand to it's border's and that it wanted a buffer between them and NATO. Both NATO and the EU agreed at the time but have chosen to ignore it and advance ever eastward what did they expect it was a stupid move on both parties and the people suffering for it are ukrainians. Like it or not both NATO and the EU are responsible for heightening tensions in that area and if Russia was intending to be more aggressive well good job western alliances you really outflanked them.

The EU doesn't respect independent sovereign nations it views them as an impediment to the creation of the federal superstate and that's not opinion it's been said many different times by many EU representatives not quite as bluntly as I put it but the intention is the same. I have no particular love for Russia and certainly not for Putin but if we are so damn stupid to hand Russia excuses then I have to question those making decisions in the EU and NATO as they clearly are not capable.

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http://news.sky.com/video/1709623/ar...ing-350m-to-eu

Remember members, this is OUR TAX MONEY. that goes to the EU

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And the reason why people cannot get to register, is simply shocking. And that its down to IT gone mad.

If we cannot work it, and we have great technology, then we might as well give up. We have major companies in this country, and then cannot fix it.