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You sound like idiot MP Chris Loader, he's delighted the supermarkets are struggling and the supply chains are falling apart because we'll all be able to visit the local farmer for our milk just like in the good old days, wonder if the inner city folk have occurred to him at all. You then have David Davis blaming businesses for not being better prepared, you couldn't make it up

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Whilst Frost moans on about a deal he himself negotiated, Ireland and Northern Ireland seem to benefiting at GB's expense.

Republic of Ireland
Northern Ireland
https://encompass-europe.com/comment...rthern-ireland

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I haven’t the inclination to fact check that article, or to research what it’s leaving out as well as what it’s putting in, but its stated editorial aims don’t lead me to assume it’s being even handed.

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I’m not delighted that supermarkets are struggling. I don’t see the comparison.

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He’s moaning about the EU’s ridiculous interpretation of the deal, actually.

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I can imagine you are devoting your fact-checking time to some of the more colourful claims coming out of Manchester. ;)

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International treaties like that aren't open to interpretation.

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He got made a Lord on the strength of that deal, we'll have that back if the deals not good enough

To be fair I don't think you are delighted to see them struggling, was just your comment about the farm shop, it reminded me what that idiot said the other day and how he's not been held to account for his moronic words, for the record I don't believe you want anything other than this to be a success, like most of us really for that matter

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I wouldn't count on it.

If it was anything close to a success, Johnson and his foot soldiers would be crowing about it. Anybody old enough to remember, "Yeah, but vaccines!"

Brexit has been downgraded from "sunny uplands" to "no difference in trade" to "understandable adjustments". I shudder to think what the next downgrade will be and genuinely hope there isn't one.

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The vaccines delivered by the NHS, which they've also been keen to downgrade and we know what the next downgrade will be, David "thick as mince" Davis came out with it yesterday, it's businesses fault for not planning better, this is the man who bare in mind said it'd be business as usual the day after we left but now because it isn't business as usual instead of taking responsibility he's blaming businesses for not planning better

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Everything is open to interpretation. The sandwich example mentioned earlier comes to mind. The EU choose to require details of the content of each sandwich individually labelled instead of a batch of like sandwiches. How mad is that?

Goods rejected because information was set out in the wrong colour ink - another example.

The devil, as they say, is in the detail.

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It’s funny we know (and accept) capitalism relies on just in time trading but since 2016 private enterprise had to pre-empt the policies of 3 PMs, outcome of 2 GEs, all kinds of transitional arrangements and deals.

At some point - and I’m keen to hear the threshold from those who voted for Brexit - Government is responsible on some level for macroeconomic planning. As I think Hugh has said before we are all in this now regardless of how we voted in 2016.

The cynic in me might just think that for the politicians our economy is secondary to the needs of venture capitalists and tax dodgers. “Hard working families” don’t help you dodge £300,000 stamp duty.

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There's been no change in the way that rules for Third Countries are implemented. The way that such rules have been applied has been clear for all to see for years.

The only change has been that we've become a Third Country because of Brexit. Frost and Johnson knew the implications of what the UK signed up to.

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You may pray for us to become a third world country, Andrew, but it's not going to happen. If you cannot understand that major change creates problems that then need to be fixed, I'm not sure where you've been all your life.

Putting this in a cable context, when we changed over from analogue to digital, there were major problems with stuttering, pixellation, etc in our area, and I reckon this could well have been a nationwide problem. It went on for months, and customers in my area were asking to go back to analogue, it was so bad.

But the problems got fixed, and look where we are now. It's the same with Brexit. We have problems arising from the change, they will get fixed, and we won't be looking back. You must see that this is not a permanent set of problems, surely!

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To be honest, it could have been better planned, but the disruption caused by the remoaners was such that this was practically imposible. And then, of course, the pandemic hit.

With more time, we could have done so much better, but in the circumstances, the time was simply not there.

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None of this waffle actually tries to remotely address the points I've made.

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There’s no but. It absolutely could have been better planned. The opposition parties don’t control the Civil Service. Nor do they control the timescale.

Absolutely we could have done better with more time. But these were active political choices to trigger Article 50 (with no plan) and reject an extension to the transitional period. As you say - the pandemic hit - but an active political choice was made to not use that as reasonable justification for an extension to use that time to plan better. That wasn’t a “remoaner” choice.

So I ask again at what point do you accept the Government are accountable? Five years? Ten? Twenty? Fifty?

You’ve also confused a third country with a third world country in your response to Andrew.

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I simply don't agree with your points, Andrew. There are those who go around thinking the end of the world is nigh, and others who have a more positive attitude.

And of course, there's the left wing opposition that just wants to rubbish everything the other side do. There's a clue there as to why Labour is still out of office despite the government's unpopular efforts to deal with the recession (the severity of which was caused by Labour). The Conservatives remain in office and popular because in the end, the majority of people see that the government is heading in the right direction, and actually do listen to the public.

The electorate voted for Brexit, it was implemented (with a faulty deal brought about by remoaners), there are implementation problems and they will be fixed.