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Sephiroth 28-03-2020 12:55
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Even bearing in mind the coronavirus issue, I think Boris will find it unplatable as well as risky politically to extend the transition period. He is anxious to show, over the shouts of 'liar, liar' that he can deliver what he promised.

As I understand it, negotiations are continuing via videolink. Far better than trotting back and forth between here and the Continent. It's about time we stopped jetting around the world to have talks with overseas governments. It's not necessary these days.
A very important factor about not extending the deadline is to keep the EU on the back foot. They no longer have the upper hand and, through their arragance, they know it.

Of course there's little harm in an extension whereby a worthwhile gain for the UK is offered, but I fear the EU is too far up itself do to that.

Finally, I suspect that Boris & co have reasoned that a no-deal outcome is a workable outcome for the UK, preserving its sovereignty and if that's going to be the case, sooner rather than dragging it on to later with all the noise that will bring. Leave properly and get on with the reshape.

OLD BOY 28-03-2020 14:44
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36029364)
A very important factor about not extending the deadline is to keep the EU on the back foot. They no longer have the upper hand and, through their arragance, they know it.

Of course there's little harm in an extension whereby a worthwhile gain for the UK is offered, but I fear the EU is too far up itself do to that.

Finally, I suspect that Boris & co have reasoned that a no-deal outcome is a workable outcome for the UK, preserving its sovereignty and if that's going to be the case, sooner rather than dragging it on to later with all the noise that will bring. Leave properly and get on with the reshape.
Yes, it really is. There is little point in having a slanging match with the EU. They either want a tariff free trade deal with the UK or they don't. The choice is theirs to make.

Sephiroth 28-03-2020 15:58
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36029375)
Yes, it really is. There is little point in having a slanging match with the EU. They either want a tariff free trade deal with the UK or they don't. The choice is theirs to make.
A perfect, concise analysis.

jfman 28-03-2020 16:06
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36029389)
A perfect, concise analysis.
So many negotiators employed by both sides tells me it's much more nuanced than the simplistic offering by Old Boy.

Similarly the state of our economy by then might may change the dynamics somewhat.

Sephiroth 28-03-2020 16:14
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So many negotiators employed by both sides tells me it's much more nuanced than the simplistic offering by Old Boy.

Similarly the state of our economy by then might may change the dynamics somewhat.
But that doesn't alter the apex point. The negotiators follow the mandate given from the apex. If that changes ....

Hugh 28-03-2020 16:16
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Yes, it really is. There is little point in having a slanging match with the EU. They either want a tariff free trade deal with the UK or they don't. The choice is theirs to make.
But the challenge is the time limit that has been set (which was our choice) - every other trade deal has taken years, if not decades.

Sephiroth 28-03-2020 16:30
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36029392)
But the challenge is the time limit that has been set (which was our choice) - every other trade deal has taken years, if not decades.
Extension, extension, extension. This was May's downfall and the election result tells Boris what must be done. We are in step with the EU now - if they get their finger out something sensible could be achieved,

Btw, this fishing rights business is exactly the pivot around which major concessions or bigger matters can be obtained. If the Dutch, Germans, Polish and others can no longer find herring in their shops ... (we'll have to eat them - they're delicious).

Remainers want extension, Leavers don't. The old conflict and this has to be broken now we've left the EU.

jfman 28-03-2020 17:07
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36029395)
Extension, extension, extension. This was May's downfall and the election result tells Boris what must be done. We are in step with the EU now - if they get their finger out something sensible could be achieved,

Btw, this fishing rights business is exactly the pivot around which major concessions or bigger matters can be obtained. If the Dutch, Germans, Polish and others can no longer find herring in their shops ... (we'll have to eat them - they're delicious).

Remainers want extension, Leavers don't. The old conflict and this has to be broken now we've left the EU.
But that’s the thing Seph. Leave has won.

An extension shouldn’t be viewed though the leave/remain prism. It should be about our economic interests.

Sephiroth 28-03-2020 17:21
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But that’s the thing Seph. Leave has won.

An extension shouldn’t be viewed though the leave/remain prism. It should be about our economic interests.
I understand your point. So, perhaps the prism through which this could be examined is economy/sovereignty.

jfman 28-03-2020 17:28
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I understand your point. So, perhaps the prism through which this could be examined is economy/sovereignty.
We’re a sovereign nation both ways Seph. We would enter an extension with our eyes open, and an end date in sight.

Mr K 28-03-2020 18:23
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It's laughable anybody is even wasting their time on Brexit at the moment.

1andrew1 28-03-2020 18:52
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It's laughable anybody is even wasting their time on Brexit at the moment.
Agreed, those staff should be seconded to support their nations' health services. We can pick up in a year's time.
Peoples' lives are more important.

Sephiroth 28-03-2020 19:01
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Agreed, those staff should be seconded to support their nations' health services. We can pick up in a year's time.
Peoples' lives are more important.
Not agreed. Peoples' lives are being attended to. Brexit should not be ignored.

1andrew1 28-03-2020 19:23
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Not agreed. Peoples' lives are being attended to. Brexit should not be ignored.
Brexit has happened.

Sephiroth 28-03-2020 19:32
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Brexit has happened.
Pleae don't be obtuse. The hand "Brexit" in this thread covers the future relationship with the EU.


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