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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

Interesting move by the Labour Party

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Brexit: Labour wants UK to stay in EU single market during transition period
In a dramatic policy shift, Labour is pledging to continue UK membership of the EU single market and the customs union during a transitional period following Brexit in March 2019.
The party's shadow Brexit secretary, Sir Keir Starmer, has also not ruled out negotiating the possibility of a new single market and customs arrangement on a permanent basis.
Effectively, a Labour government would try to keep Britain inside an economic union while leaving the political union with the European Union.

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-lab...eriod-11008071

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Why has Corbyn changed his mind? One reason is good old-fashioned poitics

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“It’s good news but I don’t think for one minute Jeremy Corbyn believes it,” said Anna Soubry, former Tory business minister. “This is a tactical move to stuff the government.” Privately, pro-European Labour MPs agree.
Labour wants to push Mrs May into accepting a transitional deal that will force Tory Eurosceptics to swallow, at least for a few years, most of the things they dislike about the EU: budget contributions, European Court jurisdiction, and free movement.

https://www.ft.com/content/2f39d70a-...2-e46f43c5825d

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35914324)

Interesting move by the Labour Party

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-lab...eriod-11008071

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Why has Corbyn changed his mind? One reason is good old-fashioned poitics

https://www.ft.com/content/2f39d70a-...2-e46f43c5825d

You think it's good politics to put forward something that cannot be delivered?

The sooner that people realise that Article 50 has been triggered so after the 2 yrs has expired there will be no "halfway house", no single market etc. the sooner the better.

We will be out of the EU, out of the single market and rid of them. There may well be a transisional period agreed but we will be out of it.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35914324)

You call it an "Interesting move" !

I call it a U-Turn.

Not a good one for millions of former UKIP voters, who gambled and opted for the Labour Party in June's Election just gone, because they indicated they were for a hard brexit.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35914332)

It might however attract the more sensible Tories/LibDems who voted to Remain or want a soft Brexit. There are many Tory MPs who would support Labour on this. It would only take a few to bring this excuse for a Govt. down.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35914336)

It would only take a few to bring this excuse for a Govt. down.

And get a Venezuelan, socialist style government with Corbyn?

No thanks.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35914336)

I'm not sure that it will bring the Government down but it may lead to a different approach to Brexit from Theresa May.

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Anna Soubry, Conservative MP for Broxtowe, said that Labour’s move would terrify some of her colleagues. “If you were a hard Brexiteer you would be very, very nervous because the arguments are shifting. You can see that your hard Brexit is going down the pan.” The former business minister downplayed the odds that she would vote against the government, however.
Another leading Tory Remainer said: “There’s no doubt this gives us leverage. The parliamentary consensus is moving and May’s best hope is to move too.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...exit-0xl09rn5j

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35914345)

I'm not sure that it will bring the Government down but it may lead to a different approach to Brexit from Theresa May.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...exit-0xl09rn5j

anna soubry the drunken old soak says lots of things it's the booze talking :shocked:

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35914324)

This really does show the muddled thinking that is going on in the Labour Party under Corbyn.

How on Earth do they expect Brexit to work with a transitional period which keeps us in the customs union and the common market which would mean we could not implement the new trade deals on which we will rely outside of the EU?

This just goes to show how screwed we would be under the Corbynistas.

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Labour managed to do an amazing thing, they convinced remain supporters they were leavers and leave supporters they were remain.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35914359)

I presume they've been attending the same school of wishful thinking the Conservatives have with their thinking that the EU would be fine with our leaving the EEA and CU while simultaneously continuing to have the benefits of both.

The same one that supplies a train of thought tying the length of any UK transition to the UK's election cycle rather than the needs of UK businesses.

Neither party is especially bothered with negotiation with the European Union or the welfare of our economy and businesses here, both care far more about negotiation with the UK electorate and, especially, media.

I'm just reading comments from a former Vote Leave staffer indicating that, in his opinion, Vote Leave did not advocate leaving the EEA and their literature made a point of making examples of Iceland and Switzerland.

There was also mention of being in a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey. Iceland is an EEA nation, Turkey is mostly within the Customs Union.

Individuals associated with the campaign advocated as such, the campaign as a whole did not.

Obviously this is the same campaign that was running from the 350 million bus, though.

I suppose it's good the debate is happening however I fully imagine a destructive cliff-edge end to the negotiations. The UK has amazing people but has so far utterly failed to achieve anything notable, and the EU has made if a point of being transparent, but in turn weaponised bureaucracy.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35914332)

Not a good one for millions of former UKIP voters, who gambled and opted for the Labour Party in June's Election just gone, because they indicated they were for a hard brexit.

There weren't millions. Transfers from UKIP to Labour comprised about 5% of the total Labour vote. They mostly went to the Tories as they were far less equivocal.

There was a small shift balancing that to an extent of Tories desiring EEA / EFTA membership moving from Conservative to Labour.

I'm working at the moment but might find the graph showing the movements later.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35914358)

anna soubry the drunken old soak says lots of things it's the booze talking :shocked:

Lol. Have you seen the news today. I've seen references to Groundhog Day, so it's not just a trait that exists in this thread. :erm: :D

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35914374)

Labour managed to do an amazing thing, they convinced remain supporters they were leavers and leave supporters they were remain.

And in doing so could alienate both factions when the lies are exposed.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35914382)

And in doing so could alienate both factions when the lies are exposed.

The trouble is politicians of all colours lie so much now not many actually believe them anymore..

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35914383)

The trouble is politicians of all colours lie so much now not many actually believe them anymore..

Yep, goes back to that old joke:

"How can you tell a politician's lying?"
"His lips are moving"

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35914374)

Labour managed to do an amazing thing, they convinced remain supporters they were leavers and leave supporters they were remain.

They've never convinced me about anything except that they can't be trusted - the last election and what has happened since is further proof of that if any were needed.

https://order-order.com/2017/08/29/m...ng-referendum/

John McDonnell claiming that what his party is suggesting now is not respecting the referendum. Well it's what he was saying before the last election anyway... :rolleyes: