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ianch99 12-12-2022 13:00

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141670)
Yeah, Twitter seems to have terminated the account.

Yup, seems free speech only works the Elon way. Here's the video on YouTube if you're interested:


Ramrod 12-12-2022 13:56

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141665)

I haven't done a deep dive but a quick glance down the 27 pages of the paper produced a couple of concerns. Since the research methodology that led to groupings of Rt/Lt wing bias was somewhat subjective and the authors also admit that the didn't share their raw third party media bias data, I smell a rat.

Pierre 12-12-2022 14:30

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141665)
What a nice man you are :)

Here's a reality check for you:

Twitter admits bias in algorithm for rightwing politicians and news outlets

Very interesting, but not really relevant to what I posted.

1andrew1 12-12-2022 14:34

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141674)
I haven't done a deep dive but a quick glance down the 27 pages of the paper produced a couple of concerns. Since the research methodology that led to groupings of Rt/Lt wing bias was somewhat subjective and the authors also admit that the didn't share their raw third party media bias data, I smell a rat.

Bias is always going to be subjective.

Why do you not apply similar scepticism to Musk's pronouncements?

Ramrod 12-12-2022 14:59

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36141676)
Bias is always going to be subjective.

lol, it's got no place in a research paper :D

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36141655)
If you could provide the links I'm sure Ian would be falling over himself to agree with you.

All he has to do is read Musks twitter feed :)

ianch99 12-12-2022 15:03

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141677)
lol, it's got no place in a research paper :D

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All he has to do is read Musks twitter feed :)

I think you read the article wrong. The bias is in the algorithm, not the research paper. Let's face it, you would claim any research is fake news if it does not match your perspective so your point is moot.

I would welcome articles proving the alternate reality you seek ...

Hugh 12-12-2022 15:05

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https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/...conservatives/

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Fascinating New Study Suggests (Again) That Twitter Moderation Is Biased Against Misinformation, Not Conservatives

Social media companies are often accused of anti-conservative bias, particularly in terms of which users they suspend. Here, we evaluate this possibility empirically. We begin with a survey of 4,900 Americans, which showed strong bi-partisan support for social media companies taking actions against online misinformation. We then investigated potential political bias in suspension patterns and identified a set of 9,000 politically engaged Twitter users, half Democratic and half Republican, in October 2020, and followed them through the six months after the U.S. 2020 election.

During that period, while only 7.7% of the Democratic users were suspended, 35.6% of the Republican users were suspended. The Republican users, however, shared substantially more news from misinformation sites –as judged by either fact-checkers or politically balanced crowds –than the Democratic users. Critically, we found that users’ misinformation sharing was as predictive of suspension as was their political orientation. Thus, the observation that Republicans were more likely to be suspended than Democrats provides no support for the claim that Twitter showed political bias in its suspension practices. Instead, the observed asymmetry could be explained entirely by the tendency of Republicans to share more misinformation. While support for action against misinformation is bipartisan, the sharing of misinformation –at least at this historical moment –is heavily asymmetric across parties. As a result, our study shows that it is inappropriate to make inferences about political bias from asymmetries in suspension rates.

Ramrod 12-12-2022 15:37

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141681)
I think you read the article wrong.

I didn't read the article. I skimmed the actual paper.

Hugh 12-12-2022 16:05

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141658)
Elon Musk booed when brought on stage at a Chappelle concert: https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885/...14514232938497

I don't know why he wants to lean into the celebrity thing.

Vox Populi Vox Dei… ;)

Mick 13-12-2022 14:03

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141658)
Elon Musk booed when brought on stage at a Chappelle concert: https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885/...14514232938497

I don't know why he wants to lean into the celebrity thing.

He’s by default, already celebrity status, being the worlds richest man.

The following, isn’t in direct reply to you, Damien.

All these ill conceived notions that he is racist are utterly pathetic, it’s about these lefty folk needing to stop throwing up the race card, every single time you disagree with something Musk has done, for a start, he’s historically voted Democrat, he supported Obama, he’s the worlds worst racist, if he championed a black man to be president, FFS. :rolleyes:

Because the Dems have turned in to an extremist, woke entity, he’s shunned the Democrats and I do not blame him. He’s allowed to be who he wants to be, he’s allowed to run Twitter, how he chooses so long as it doesn’t break any laws, but these stupid attacks coming from the liberals, you need to look in the mirror, you’re the ones full of hate and division, you’re the ones, who can’t stand it when votes don’t go your way, the left ran Twitter for too long, and it went to your heads, banning folk you didn’t like, mainly conservatives, that is true fascism, you’re happy to see other side silenced, so you are the fascists, it happened, but no more.

But these fascist and racist homophobe accusations need to stop, because it’s utter bullshit.

Damien 13-12-2022 16:57

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141774)
He’s by default, already celebrity status, being the worlds richest man.

I know but he seems to want to reveal the actual celebrity part. Attending Hollywood events, going out with pop stars and doing walk-ons at comedy gigs.

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The following, isn’t in direct reply to you, Damien.
:tu:


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Because the Dems have turned in to an extremist, woke entity, he’s shunned the Democrats and I do not blame him. He’s allowed to be who he wants to be, he’s allowed to run Twitter, how he chooses so long as it doesn’t break any laws, but these stupid attacks coming from the liberals, you need to look in the mirror, you’re the ones full of hate and division, you’re the ones, who can’t stand it when votes don’t go your way, the left ran Twitter for too long, and it went to your heads, banning folk you didn’t like, mainly conservatives, that is true fascism, you’re happy to see other side silenced, so you are the fascists, it happened, but no more.
It's not just them though, is it? It's members of the right who couldn't stand when votes didn't go their way so stormed congress trying to overturn the results of an election and posing threats to elected politicians, it's a right-wing group who tried kidnapping the Democratic Governer of Michigan,, it's the right who are members of Q Anon and Pizzagate conspiracies. These were hateful people. All of this is more serious than banning people on Twitter.

It's just extremists and America breaking apart.

Incidentally, I still don't think it matters who's banned from Twitter. People on the right may have been banned, but now people who posted white nationalist content are back. It's legal in America and Musk can do what he wants besides that. I don't especially fancy seeing that content in my feed so I'll use it less. No great loss to Twitter or me. Same as when I stopped using Facebook as much.

What I would say to people who are angry that Twitter could ban people then do you want Government intervention now? If not, and Musk can do as he likes, then it also stands that the previous Twitter owners could do what they like as well?

Paul 13-12-2022 17:44

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141774)
He’s by default, already celebrity status, being the worlds richest man.

Not anymore it seems :)

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Elon Musk no longer world's richest man.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63963239

Damien 13-12-2022 17:56

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Wow, the Richest man in the world is now French! First the World Cup and now this.

Tesla has gone down 10% in a week. Ouch.

Hugh 13-12-2022 18:24

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141791)
Wow, the Richest man in the world is now French! First the World Cup and now this.

Tesla has gone down 10% in a week. Ouch.

Down 50% in the last year…

Pierre 13-12-2022 21:40

Re: [Updated] Elon Musk $44 Billion Twitter deal back on
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141788)
I know but he seems to want to reveal the actual celebrity part. Attending Hollywood events, going out with pop stars and doing walk-ons at comedy gigs.



:tu:




It's not just them though, is it? It's members of the right who couldn't stand when votes didn't go their way so stormed congress trying to overturn the results of an election and posing threats to elected politicians, it's a right-wing group who tried kidnapping the Democratic Governer of Michigan,, it's the right who are members of Q Anon and Pizzagate conspiracies. These were hateful people. All of this is more serious than banning people on Twitter.

It's just extremists and America breaking apart.

Incidentally, I still don't think it matters who's banned from Twitter. People on the right may have been banned, but now people who posted white nationalist content are back. It's legal in America and Musk can do what he wants besides that. I don't especially fancy seeing that content in my feed so I'll use it less. No great loss to Twitter or me. Same as when I stopped using Facebook as much.

What I would say to people who are angry that Twitter could ban people then do you want Government intervention now? If not, and Musk can do as he likes, then it also stands that the previous Twitter owners could do what they like as well?

Well I’m, on Twitter every day, and I haven’t seen any increase in far right or white nationalist content in my feed. But the constant trans-ideology and vitriol against JK Rowling continues as normal.

The recent Twitter exposés, just prove that Twitter suppressed information at the behest of the FBI and the Incoming Biden administration. Twitter exec in charge of “misinformation” was a very left wing ideologue. Yoel Roth,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-context.html

The question is if Twitter was like this, what about Facebook & Google!

The reason why the machine is now going after Musk is because of what he’s sitting on.

This story is potentially massive, certainly in the public interest and two exposés have come out…….but………not even on the Sky news front page.

Two Elon Musk/ Twitter stories make it to the BBC, both negative to the current regime.

1) Musk no longer worlds richest man
2) charities dismay as Twitter disbands Safety group, although proven that this “safety group” was nothing of the sort.

The thing is anyone on the centre/ centre right, that might have batted away conspiracy ideologues in the past, may look at all this and start thinking differently.


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