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nomadking 20-09-2019 19:25
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Or a lot to gain in trade terms by freezing the UK out.
How? If they could produce it themselves, they would've done so a long time ago.
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Electricity and gas prices could spiral as almost 90% of Ireland’s total energy requirements are imported, and most of it comes from or through the UK.
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There are 3 ferry routes operating between France and Ireland offering you combined total of 8 sailings per week. Irish Ferries operates 1 route, Cherbourg to Dublin which runs 3 times weekly. Brittany Ferries operates 1 route, Roscoff to Cork which runs 2 times weekly. Stena Line operates 1 route, Cherbourg to Rosslare which runs 3 times weekly.
The Cherbourg-Rosslare journey takes 17 hours. Plus the extra time to get to Cherbourg and from Rosslare.

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Protecting the Single Market isn’t “sinister” any more than the UK wouldn’t entertain closing the border but allowing immigrants to walk the Channel Tunnel freely.
Imposing a "single Irish economic zone" by the backdoor is sinister.

1andrew1 20-09-2019 19:29
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Imposing a "single Irish economic zone" by the backdoor is sinister.
It's not imposing if the respective Governments agree. And it's scarcely through the back door as it's what we have at the moment.

Pierre 20-09-2019 19:32
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Protecting the Single Market isn’t “sinister”
Who said it was? I missed that bit.

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It's not imposing if the respective Governments agree. And it's scarcely through the back door as it's what we have at the moment.
It won’t happen. They say that putting in border controls would impact the GFA and upset the republicans? Well anything that looks like we are enabling the reunification of Ireland.................well that would also scupper the GFA, expect UDF/UDA and the rest to kick off.

1andrew1 20-09-2019 19:36
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It won’t happen. They say that putting in border controls would impact the GFA and upset the republicans? Well anything that looks like we are enabling the reunification of Ireland.................well that would also scupper the GFA, expect UDF/UDA and the rest to kick off.
I'm not arguing that point, just explaining that it's neither imposing or sinister.

nomadking 20-09-2019 19:41
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It's not imposing if the respective Governments agree. And it's scarcely through the back door as it's what we have at the moment.
UK Parliament has turned it down 3 times, and not being able to get out of it, is imposing. Especially under ever continuing threats of violence.


Who gets to run and control this "single Irish economic zone", whatever that's meant to mean. And of course over time, what it means will expand relentlessly, taking over more and more.

jfman 20-09-2019 19:41
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How? If they could produce it themselves, they would've done so a long time ago.
Wrong. No incentive to. Can’t compete with UK goods on Single Market terms. Now there’s incentive.

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Imposing a "single Irish economic zone" by the backdoor is sinister.
It’s hardly sinister. They’re either operating in the same economic zone or they are not. The people of the occupied six counties weren’t consulted when England invented the idea of Brexit.

Pierre 20-09-2019 19:50
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I'm not arguing that point.
:tu:

Still won’t happen though, for those reasons.

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Wrong. No incentive to. Can’t compete with UK goods on Single Market terms. Now there’s incentive.



It’s hardly sinister. They’re either operating in the same economic zone or they are not. The people of the occupied six counties weren’t consulted when England invented the idea of Brexit.
Won’t happen, it’s a dead end discussion.

The status quo on the island of Ireland must and will prevail, above all else.

jfman 20-09-2019 20:00
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We shall see. Brexit makes the status quo untenable economically for the occupied counties who do not want to leave the EU.

Sephiroth 20-09-2019 20:01
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We shall see. Brexit makes the status quo untenable economically for the occupied counties who do not want to leave the EU.
You really are a provocactive piece of work. "The occupied counties ...". Tut tut.

jfman 20-09-2019 20:03
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You really are a provocactive piece of work. "The occupied counties ...". Tut tut.
“British controlled territory on the island of Ireland”.

As it’s under direct rule is that better?

However you disagree over the definition the EU will no more accept a gaping hole in the single market than Britain would an uncontrolled flood of migrants via a back door.

1andrew1 20-09-2019 20:03
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36010925)
UK Parliament has turned it down 3 times, and not being able to get out of it, is imposing. Especially under ever continuing threats of violence.

Who gets to run and control this "single Irish economic zone", whatever that's meant to mean. And of course over time, what it means will expand relentlessly, taking over more and more.
If a Brexit withdrawal agreement happens, it will be something close to what Theresa May put to Parliament. The more controversial aspects may be tweaked and rebranded. The DUP is getting fearful of the consequences of no deal which include a united Ireland, so look set to be more flexible with proposals from BoJo than May. I always agreed that Brexit should be led by a Brexiter as it couldn't then be argued that the Government wasn't doing its best, and I think BoJo will help bring the DUP on board.

Pierre 20-09-2019 20:05
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Brexit makes the status quo untenable economically for the occupied counties who do not want to leave the EU.
Very interesting turn of phrase you use there. “ Occupied counties”. What do you mean by that?

Antrim is as much a part of the UK as Yorkshire.

You forget that at your peril.

Hugh 20-09-2019 20:07
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But what if it was up to your wife whether she lost her job or not? Would she voluntarily leave her job if she didn’t have to?

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The problem is, is that the backstop has now become Brexit.

Neither side will climb down now, so now they would have to Engineer a solution that both keeps and removes the backstop so both sides can claim a win.
No, she would remain in her job... ;)

Pierre 20-09-2019 20:10
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“British controlled territory on the island of Ireland”

As it’s under direct rule is that better?
At present because the power sharing assembly can’t get their act together.

What is undeniable is that it is part of the UK.

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However you disagree over the definition the EU will no more accept a gaping hole in the single market than Britain would an uncontrolled flood of migrants via a back door.
Well, when it comes down to it. The nation state trumps the EU, so they can whistle.

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No, she would remain in her job... ;)
Great stuff. The EU should then relent, thanks for clearing up that analogy.

jfman 20-09-2019 20:10
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36010936)
Very interesting turn of phrase you use there. “ Occupied counties”. What do you mean by that?

Antrim is as much a part of the UK as Yorkshire.

You forget that at your peril.
Peril? Don’t make me laugh.

I’ve explained my definition before.


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