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Well Barnier has made positive noises about it, and May met Merkel this week. Its almost as if they've given their ok already. Doubtless they'll be some detail but the main part of the deal seems to be done, if anything we might have to give more as we are in a position of weakness, and keep changing 'red lines' and the EU hasn't budged an inch.

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Have you now reached the end of your deliberations on the White Paper, Mick? I know that you were reserving judgment; is the above now your judgment?

I think that any deal will be sweetened with money and that will tip it for the countries you mention v a clean Brexit where the financial sums would presumably be limited to that required by law and reputation.

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I think you are being deliberately obtuse to suggest Barnier and Merkel are the sole decision makers here, they are not - Barnier is EU's mouth piece, he has to go back to Brussels and get every EU Member State agreement on the deal, only takes one country to veto it and the deal is effectively dead.

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Yes I have and I have come to the stark conclusion that it is not Brexit.

It is Bremain for sure.

Us Brexiteers will not stand for this rejection of Democracy, we will revolt and riot if necessary, let the revolt begin en masse, you Remainers may have had your #StopBrexit marches and protests over the last two years but I consider this to be war, did you Remainers think we should just lie down should the Democratic result of the referendum, not be enacted exactly as we voted for?

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The White Paper hasn't been published yet.

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Do you want a referendum on the final deal then?

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My bad, my original phrasing was along the lines of "From what you've read about the White Paper..."

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A "common rule book" on which we would have no say whatsoever.


As this is all meant to allow a TWO-WAY flow of goods, I assume that the EU would also have to track goods and if sent to the UK, the UK tariff charged and the money sent to the UK. Can't see that happening.

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No because we have already had a referendum with a result of leaving the EU, this means complete departure from every aspect of it. I don't know how many more times I have to say that.

The question on the ballot paper did not ask if we should partially remain in the EU, it was either leave or remain, leave had over a million more votes.

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Maybe James Cleverly's article will make you reconsider? He's a Brexiter.
https://brexitcentral.com/brexiteers...workable-plan/

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It's the customs arrangements that I am most concerned about. I am reserving my judgement until I know more about that.

It is essential that we have the ability to trade with the rest of the world on terms acceptable to us. Anything less would be a betrayal.

The room for maneouvre lies in the arrangements we make for customs in relation to goods to and from the EU. If that can be kept separate from our trade with the rest of the world, we will have a good basis to proceed with Theresa May's plan.

If the EU reject this proposal, it will be academic anyway and we revert to WTO rules. That suits me just fine.

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Nope, no compromises. One option is on the table only - that is to leave, you don't offer a democratic process, ask the people to vote and then ignore that vote because those in power don't like the answer given.

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Andrew, this is a discussion forum and we don't have to justify every statement we make with a link. You can Google this just as much as I can.

However, here's one I agree with.

https://www.capitalandconflict.com/b...ood-bad-trade/

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:clap::clap:

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If Theresa May's White Paper addresses my concerns over free trade, I am prepared to be persuaded of the benefits of this compromise. After all, the main gripe of Remainers is the damage to our trade with the EU that they see as an inevitable consequence of Brexit.

If this deal allows us to trade effectively with the rest of the world outside of EU regulations, prevents the free movement of people, brings back our sovereignty, whilst maintaining favourable trading arrangements with the EU, what's not to like? We would be in keeping with the voters wishes in that we leave the EU, but without damaging EU trade.

The EU can take that or leave it. I don't care either way. Both options can be made to work for Britain.

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It is pointless being persueded by this compromise ATM as it needs the EU to agree. At present I cannot see them accepting it.

What I would like to see is any remainer or brexiter point me to where article 50 allows for this compromise. I'm willing to be educated.

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Frankly, I hope they don't accept it and we go the WTO route. At least we will be able to say we tried.