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Carth 16-04-2018 15:33

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943791)
The Lab itself has poured cold water on this Russian lie: https://twitter.com/SpiezLab/status/985243574123057152

You aren't reading it right, the lab has confirmed that novichok was present - which isn't in doubt - but made no mention of other toxins that may have also been present.

Quite often it's not what they say, but what they don't say.

Hugh 16-04-2018 17:18

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35943816)
You aren't reading it right, the lab has confirmed that novichok was present - which isn't in doubt - but made no mention of other toxins that may have also been present.

Quite often it's not what they say, but what they don't say.

So, the fact that they didn't confirm that Plutonium wasn't present, means it may have been?

Carth 17-04-2018 00:33

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
'sigh'

the article mentioned BZ toxin, as confirmed by a Swiss laboratory

you said your tweet from the lab has poured cold water on this Russian lie

nowhere in that tweet did it deny the existence of BZ toxin

do you see what I mean ;)

pip08456 17-04-2018 01:16

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35943877)
'sigh'

the article mentioned BZ toxin, as confirmed by a Swiss laboratory

you said your tweet from the lab has poured cold water on this Russian lie

nowhere in that tweet did it deny the existence of BZ toxin

do you see what I mean ;)

The lab has neither confirmed nor denied anything in the tweet.

It is one of the designated labs that is contracted by OPCW. Quite rightly they have stated only OPCW can comment.

They've also advised to wait for the OPCW Executive meeting on 18th April.

Any article published before then can only be supposition.

Maggy 17-04-2018 08:57

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943820)
So, the fact that they didn't confirm that Plutonium wasn't present, means it may have been?

:tu:

---------- Post added at 08:57 ---------- Previous post was at 08:57 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35943878)
The lab has neither confirmed nor denied anything in the tweet.

It is one of the designated labs that is contracted by OPCW. Quite rightly they have stated only OPCW can comment.

They've also advised to wait for the OPCW Executive meeting on 18th April.

Any article published before then can only be supposition.

:tu:

RizzyKing 17-04-2018 12:12

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Carth your stretching nearly as much as the Russian's with this line of argument and given the lab has stated they confirmed the use of novichok and it was novichok that caused the health of the two people in question to suffer what else might have been present is irrelevant as it didn't inflict the harm.

pip08456 17-04-2018 12:38

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35943942)
Carth your stretching nearly as much as the Russian's with this line of argument and given the lab has stated they confirmed the use of novichok and it was novichok that caused the health of the two people in question to suffer what else might have been present is irrelevant as it didn't inflict the harm.

Please link to where the lab has confirmed anything other than "We have no doubt that Porton Down has identified Novichock."

RizzyKing 17-04-2018 13:11

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
They are supporting Porton Down i could have worded it better but you don't support something untrue and certainly wouldn't express support if other agents were present that might have been responsible.

pip08456 17-04-2018 13:34

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35943956)
They are supporting Porton Down i could have worded it better but you don't support something untrue and certainly wouldn't express support if other agents were present that might have been responsible.

Yes Rizzy, you could have worded it better.;)

All the lab has stated is they "have no doubt" PD found Novichok that does not mean no other agents were found.

As I said earlier, the lab is contracted by OPCW and it is up to OPCW and no-one else to release those findings.

We will find out tomorrow if any other agent has been found. Until then anything else is just speculation. Nothing more, nothing less.

Carth 17-04-2018 15:03

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35943962)
All the lab has stated is they "have no doubt" PD found Novichok that does not mean no other agents were found.


We will find out tomorrow if any other agent has been found. Until then anything else is just speculation. Nothing more, nothing less.

Cheers Pip, I'm pleased someone else can see that hardly anything is 'confirmed' apart from Novichok was found to be present.

Speculation and wild shots in the dark from all quarters until more is disclosed.

pip08456 17-04-2018 15:08

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
We should find out tomorrow if the OPCW releases the content of the findings.

Hugh 17-04-2018 19:44

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35943877)
'sigh'

the article mentioned BZ toxin, as confirmed by a Swiss laboratory

you said your tweet from the lab has poured cold water on this Russian lie

nowhere in that tweet did it deny the existence of BZ toxin

do you see what I mean ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35943975)
Cheers Pip, I'm pleased someone else can see that hardly anything is 'confirmed' apart from Novichok was found to be present.

Speculation and wild shots in the dark from all quarters until more is disclosed.

Irony, thy name is Carth...:D

Carth 17-04-2018 20:34

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35944036)
Irony, thy name is Carth...:D

yeah :D I could have had a great career in politics or the media ;)

Damien 18-04-2018 13:35

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...83417847508992

Quote:

The OPCW confirms BZ in samples relating to the Skripal poisoning were positive control samples, not from the site of the attack. This means, yet again, the Russian government has been caught lying about a chemical attack.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/04/7.jpg

Carth 18-04-2018 15:27

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
There we go then, now everyone knows how & why traces of BZ were found.

In my view it makes nobody a liar as BZ is confirmed to be present - just as the Russian bloke said ;)


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