Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Sadly that seems to be a domestic incident, common in all countries.
If they didnt have a gun they would likely have used a knife, as often happens in the UK.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Yep, people flip out all the time, but when they don’t have access to firearms they generally do less damage.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

An understandable but strange response.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/sta...741568/video/1

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

and what is that link to ?

Please dont just post links, post some details as well.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

2 SWAT team members suspended for attending and entering the building without permission.

Understandable in that dispatch need to know where they are but does it mean in the future it's like being back at school?

"Please Sir/Miss there's a school shooting happening and students are being shot. Can I go? Please? I'd really like to put a stop to it."

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

No surprise but Florida Prosecutors have today seeked the Death Penalty for Nikolas Cruz for the shooting deaths of 17 Students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Not sure state sanctioned murder is the cure ,and it most certainly won't bring any one back.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

The fact these atrocities and shootings keep happening in that country prove the death penalty is useless.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

No it doesnt.

People still drink drive, should we stop banning them from driving, as its clearly useless, and doesnt work. :dozey:

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http://thehill.com/homenews/state-wa...mpression=true
Secession - that ended well for them the last time they tried that...

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

They are not the only state that is prepared to take drastic action if gun control proceeds much further but it's a symptom of a larger issue that's happening in the states where rural people feel overwhelmed by the urban population. It would take a politically suicidal president that attempted any watering down of the 2nd amendment and as soon as lots of dead americans showed up on the news support would quickly evaporate as there is a very large group within the firearms community there who would rather fight and die then surrender their firearms.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

No one is saying give up their arms, just have them well regulated - licenced, insured, and kept safely and securely; that is the NRA "all or nothing" argument, except they don't apply it to bazookas or grenade launchers.

For instance, civilians can buy a 150 round drum magazine for an AR-15 - this is just insane.

Anyway, States can't just pass a local law saying they are seceding - they would have to amend the US Constitution (as there is nothing in there about States leaving, only joining), and amending the Constitution requires approval of the amendment by either
1) two-thirds of each branch of Congress or
2) two-thirds of states at a specially-formed constitutional convention, with the amendment then being ratified by three-quarters of the states.

This is difficult enough that it has been done only 17 times in 227 years, excluding the passage of the Bill of Rights shortly after the Constitution itself was ratified.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Actually Hugh at a recent meeting a gun control advocate let slip that if given an inch (banning of the bumpfire stock) they would take a mile and go for total gun ban their agenda has been well known for sometime. As for seceding from the united states they are the latest but not the only ones to be considering it so they must think it can be done if necessary and they would know better then you or me. What's seen as nuts here is the norm there and I'm sure there are things about the UK that some americans think is nuts it's an american issue and we don't have to agree just respect their wishes and they respect ours.

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Any links to that ‘slip’? Once again, that is NRA fear-mongering - remember Obama taking away all the guns and putting gun owners in FEMA camps? Me neither, as it didn’t happen...

Re ‘respect their wishes’, that’s why they leave a legal framework, Constitution, and Judiciary - people (be they States, cities, groups, or individuals) can’t just say stuff and expect it to be so, such as ‘we’re going to secede if you do something we don’t like’; if that is a valid premise, what’s to stop Cities leaving States?

I’m sure a lot of Americans think our NHS is a Socialist single-payer conspiracy, but I can live with that, rather than being one of the 600k who get bankrupted each year by medical bills (in the USA).

Update.
tbf, Republicans in SC have form for this sort of thing (putting forward Bills that have no chance - they have recently put foward SC H3473 Amusing, coming from a State that receives 8 times the amount of money from the US Governnment than it pays in Federal Taxes.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

https://youtu.be/MKVi8H1AQGs That's the only clip i can find of it about 3 minutes in the clip starts, it has been taken down from the march for lives website which was where i first watched it they clearly didn't want to advertise their agenda. This was nothing to do with the NRA at all and given the recent behaviour of the NRA they are very far from the gun rights powerhouse many here believe even ignoring that historically the NRA has been responsible for two of the biggest gun control legislative measures.