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Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35991643)

Got it in one. Our record on this is pretty good in comparison with just about anywhere else. Any excuse to take to the streets and cause trouble.

It's not just about wealth, though. It is a lack of sensible regulation in some of these countries.

As the world goes up in smoke, the UK says to itself, "We'll be fine. After all, we did our (token) bit for the planet" ... yup, that will work out just fine :)

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35991648)

As the world goes up in smoke, the UK says to itself, "We'll be fine. After all, we did our (token) bit for the planet" ... yup, that will work out just fine :)

Totzlly missed the point! The UK is not the issue!

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35991680)

Totzlly missed the point! The UK is not the issue!

You may find this informative.

https://breakingenergy.com/2014/09/2...ing-countries/

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The inevitability of pollution in developing countries has been demonstrated by the Environmental Kuznet Curve. The EKC is a hypothesized relationship between indicators of environmental degradation and income per capita. According to the theory, environmental pollution and degradation increase in the early stages of economic growth, get to a peak point, and reverse in such a way that the environment improves at high income levels. This is based on the fact that developing countries desire industrialization and economic growth and tend to consume more cheap energy. There is also need for developing countries to build roads and rail tracks and develop massive infrastructure to promote economic growth. Such activities that are required at the take-off stage of economic development are substantially energy-intensive.

The important role of industrialization in the development process of developing countries cannot be overemphasized. There is need for structural transformation from small-scale agriculture to industrialization in order for developing countries to experience inclusive and pro-poor growth. However, industrialization requires massive use of energy resources which could lead to pollution and environmental degradation. China would not have achieved the impressive economic growth and development it has recorded in recent years if she had cared about pollution at the initial stage of development. Other developed economies like the OECD are also focusing on environmental sustainability after achieving considerable growth and improvement in the living standard of their citizens. The Chinese economic model is energy intensive, with strong focus on investment and industrialization, and is being adopted by a number of developing countries.

In conclusion, developing countries in their quest for economic development and poverty reduction are expected to put economic growth, energy for all and industrialization at the fore front of their goals before giving consideration to environmental issues. Therefore, compelling developing countries like those in Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia to pursue environmental goals, particularly reduction in CO2 emissions, will require substantial economic, technological and financial support from developed countries and the international community to compensate for the economic losses associated with reducing pollution.

tl:dr - we polluted the crap out of our countries and the planet in the past, developing countries need to do the same to get to a level of industrialisation/GDP to take their countries out of poverty level, if we lead by example they will follow.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35991681)

You may find this informative.

https://breakingenergy.com/2014/09/2...ing-countries/

tl:dr - we polluted the crap out of our countries and the planet in the past, developing countries need to do the same to get to a level of industrialisation/GDP to take their countries out of poverty level, if we lead by example they will follow.

Yeah, yeah!

And the practical sustainable solution is...

This is just an outpouring of frustration. We are where we are. And the solution is...

Looking forward to your response is... (looking forward to your practical solution, Hugh, our saviour!)

Yeah, right!.

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Irony - like steely, only softer...

Solution - lead by example, help those who are earlier in the economic development lifecycle than us by showing the benefits (as we benefit by buying things they produce which creating pollution, such as mobile phones, tablets, laptops, PCs, TVs - we take the products, but berate them for producing them).

But I’m sure you knew all that...

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35991683)

Yes, but isn't that what we are already doing? We are cleaning up our act faster than other countries, which is why these protests are pointless.

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IMO we're doing it all wrong. We should be pumping more crap into the atmosphere to reduce the amount of harmful sunlight getting through :D

Global warming reared it's head after we decided that smog and industrial pollution was bad for us

What we need is another Krakatoa . . .

In the year following the 1883 Krakatoa eruption, average Northern Hemisphere summer temperatures fell by as much as 1.2 °C (2.2 °F).[12] Weather patterns continued to be chaotic for years, and temperatures did not return to normal until 1888. :p:

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Middle class Eco yobs eh

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35991698)

Middle class Eco yobs eh

Adam Boulton did a number on one of them the other day, it was great to watch

https://youtu.be/_IPFRjLBqo8

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I’m very put off by the fact he says millions of people will starve.

Millions of people are already starving in Africa. Do they not count as a part of an ongoing global catastrophe?

I still don’t hear anyone using the key word overpopulation.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35991700)

He’s a wise man that Thanos

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35991708)

https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Ian_Plimer.htm

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There is no problem with global warming. It stopped in 1998. The last two years of global cooling have erased nearly 30 years of temperature increase."
Ian Pilmer - 8 July 2009

What Science Says
The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record

I don’t suppose the fact that he is a senior executive and shareholder* in a number of Australian mining companies, and thinks that Carbon Reduction measure impact their profitability, has anything to do with his views...

*He is currently the non-executive deputy chairman of KEFI Minerals, independent non-executive director of Ivanhoe Australia Limited, chairman of TNT Mines Limited, non-executive director of Niuminco Group Limited, non-executive director of Silver City Minerals Limited, and director of Roy Hill Holdings and Queensland Coal Investments.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35991709)

https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Ian_Plimer.htm

I don’t suppose the fact that he is a senior executive and shareholder* in a number of Australian mining companies, and thinks that Carbon Reduction measure impact their profitability, has anything to do with his views...

*He is currently the non-executive deputy chairman of KEFI Minerals, independent non-executive director of Ivanhoe Australia Limited, chairman of TNT Mines Limited, non-executive director of Niuminco Group Limited, non-executive director of Silver City Minerals Limited, and director of Roy Hill Holdings and Queensland Coal Investments.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35991681)

So, your practical solution is what?

Come on, Hugh, this is not a straight forward matter. Before you pump billions into a proposal, you need to make the case.

Given that even the scientists admit that they cannot be 100% sure that global warming is man-made, you really do need to keep an open mind.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35991786)

Instead of looking at the background from which people come, would it not be a better idea to actually listen to what they are saying?

No, of course, because that would expose the futility of your arguments.

Address the post, and stop trying to divert attention from the truth.

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So, your practical solution is what?

Come on, Hugh, this is not a straight forward matter. Before you pump billions into a proposal, you need to make the case.

Given that even the scientists admit that they cannot be 100% sure that global warming is man-made, you really do need to keep an open mind.

Hugh's post does address the issues. Click on the thumbnail he posted to see a list of the flaws in the clip.

Far better to spend your time on an authoritative programme.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...ange-the-facts

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After one of the hottest years on record, Sir David Attenborough looks at the science of climate change and potential solutions to this global threat. Interviews with some of the world’s leading climate scientists explore recent extreme weather conditions such as unprecedented storms and catastrophic wildfires. They also reveal what dangerous levels of climate change could mean for both human populations and the natural world in the future.