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Re: US Election 2016

I wonder if there has ever been a single incident as costly as that tape in US Elections? Famous moments like Kennedy/Nixon sure but did any of them move the polls so much?

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If Wikileaks and Russia had anything that good (They claim to have loads but clearly they're more of the same) They'd be out right now in response to Trump's tape. What they have released isn't enough to soften the blow and is surely evidence itself there isn't really anything to derail the campaign.

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If l am not wrong, wasn't Bill Clinton going to impeached for his 'he had that affair' What Trump is doing is to try and put the shoe on the other foot.

The emails from Hilary were checked out by the FBI. You cannot get bigger than that.

When Hilary was a lawyer - she was doing her job, protecting her client.

I think Trump will destroy USA if he wins. He may be a wealthy businessman. BUT can he run the toughest job on the planet - l don't think so

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35862865)

You're missing the points a bit.

Bill Clinton going to impeached for his 'he had that affair' What Trump is doing is to try and put the shoe on the other foot.

This is a very shady area, a lot of people believe Bill Clinton did a lot more than merely have an affair and that's what Trump brought up and went after. It's all well to remember 'Allegedly' is a key word here. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations He admitted affairs with two and settled a harassment case with Paula Jones.

The emails from Hilary were checked out by the FBI. You cannot get bigger than that - Albeit two key people were given immunity deals for what now appears to absolutely nothing. One of these key people was found to have been trying to edit emails that were under the investigation of the FBI, something which is a federal offence. So naturally the whole thing has been sketchy from the start. That's why Trump brought it up. Trump is suggesting the FBI botched the entire thing and there's naturally good reasons to believe they did. - My Input, Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/us...stigation.html

When Hilary was a lawyer - she was doing her job, protecting her client. - This was Trump being clever, days after being brought up on his nonsense he uses Hillary protecting a man from a rape charge. The point in this case he made was Hillary was then caught laughing about the case. He tried to make her look hypocritical. - General Explanation

My input on the Lawyer situation. It was to my understanding she never wanted the case. Her laughing was never to points about rape or the victim. It was just twisted that way, not by Trump but by others for years previously. Trump merely brought it back up to use as ammo. A little digging and research into the subject will reveal that most of the story is warped in trying to make Hillary look pretty bad. So whilst Trump wasn't lying, he wasn't exactly presenting the proper facts of it. Source: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ghed-about-it/

This isn't me agreeing with anything, this is me explaining the ideas behind his statements in my own words and using sources to help you better understand what Trump was getting at. So you see, even if the last point is borderline BS, which it is, it doesn't matter, it makes her look bad because people are happy to eat it up without even questioning it. She laughed, but did she laugh at a 12 year old rape victim? No. Do people believe she did before or after? Yes. Trump used it for this exact reason. Again he's using facts but they're very skewed in his favour.
These weren't arguments presented in the form you think they were, they were presented in the form of attacking Clinton and her husbands reputation. They had nothing to do with any debate really.

Whilst I'm sure it makes for an entertaining watch, all in all it's a pretty embarrassing exchange between two people looking to lead a country in which Trump is the more embarrassing of the two. The only point here I even lean towards is the FBI investigation was a botch job from the offset, it was a monumental failure and more and more things surface that show just how badly it was conducted and Trump would be correct in calling for a separate investigation. Other than that it was just childish at best. Rather than appeal to undecided voters it was both sides attacking the credibility of the other in attempts to gain voters from each side.

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I wonder if there has ever been a single incident as costly as that tape in US Elections? Famous moments like Kennedy/Nixon sure but did any of them move the polls so much?

Has there ever been someone bring up Rape and harassment in a debate before? Serious question. One has to wonder if this is the most ridiculous Presidential run up there's ever been. Not like we need an answer to that.

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Looks like the debate last night might not have stemmed the bleeding: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...h-trump-229536

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Donald Trump shed any pretense of trying to hold his party together Monday, pouring gasoline on an already scorching confrontation with Republican leaders in Washington as they reckon with their nominee's spiraling campaign.

Trump swung hard at House Speaker Paul Ryan, who announced he was abandoning efforts to help elect Trump earlier in the day. His team highlighted the number of voters who pledged to vote only for Trump and no other Republicans. And Trump's Virginia state director convened a protest outside the headquarters of the Republican National Committee, accusing the party of bailing too quickly on their only chance to stop Hillary Clinton.

and http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...answers-229556

The RNC is coming close to abandoning Trump altogether and trying the salvage the house and senate races.

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If it wasn't already done before it's done now. Be pretty amazed if Trump won.

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Trump needs some game-changer. Wikileaks did a leaked a bunch more e-mails today but there is nothing really there other than gossip about campaign staff. It's also an issue no-one knows if they should be trusted as genuine or not.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35862885)

Said it above, there's clearly nothing massive as they'd be dropping it all right now when it's needed most. Bar a JFK moment, this is done. Aligning with the Russians will have people questioning the credibility of the documents as you've stated.

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This story: http://europe.newsweek.com/vladimir-...k-508635?rm=eu

Is a indication as to why people might not trust the Wikileak e-mails and why people should be concerned about Trump and Russia.

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This is not funny. It is terrifying. The Russians engage in a sloppy disinformation effort and, before the day is out, the Republican nominee for president is standing on a stage reciting the manufactured story as truth. How did this happen? Who in the Trump campaign was feeding him falsehoods straight from the Kremlin? (The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment.)

The Russians have been obtaining American emails and now are presenting complete misrepresentations of them—falsifying them—in hopes of setting off a cascade of events that might change the outcome of the presidential election. The big question, of course, is why are the Russians working so hard to damage Clinton and, in the process, aid Donald Trump? That is a topic for another time.

For now, though, Americans should be outraged. This totalitarian regime, engaged in what are arguably war crimes in Syria to protect its government puppet, is working to upend a democracy to the benefit of an American candidate who uttered positive comments just Sunday about the Kremlin's campaign on behalf of Bashar al-Assad. Trump’s arguments were an incomprehensible explication of the complex Syrian situation, which put him right on the side of the Iranians and Syrians, who are fighting to preserve the government that is the primary conduit of weapons used against Israel.

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Maybe there'll be calls to re-run the election if the US gets the 'wrong' result in the form of Trump. Now where have I heard that before?... :confused:

;)

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35863015)

Maybe there'll be calls to re-run the election if the US gets the 'wrong' result in the form of Trump. Now where have I heard that before?... :confused:

;)

Trump is the only one so far suggesting he won't accept the loss: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.7a9e484e1d4e

And no doubt RT, Sputnik and the alt-right American blogs will fuel those conspiracy theories.

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Whatever happens there'll be cries of 'foul' but those on the losing side will clearly cry the loudest... ;)

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35863019)

Whatever happens there'll be cries of 'foul' but those on the losing side will clearly cry the loudest... ;)

We'll see, Trump has the advantage in that case of Putin weighing in.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35863014)

This story: http://europe.newsweek.com/vladimir-...k-508635?rm=eu

Is a indication as to why people might not trust the Wikileak e-mails and why people should be concerned about Trump and Russia.

Not really.