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BenMcr

25-10-2013 11:59

Re: STM always enforced?

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Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35636564)

Sorry i forget that there were differing perspectives with STM over the summer. On 120mb the upload reduction was -50% from when they rolled out the stm trial at the start of the summer until very recently, at the same time those still on 100mb had the -65%. The numbers listed on the site were not what was being applied, at least to those of us who were posting int he STM trial thread on the VM forum.

So for all intents and purposes those of us on 120mb went from the old STM with the 10gb(?) threshold or whatever it was to the new low thresholds and -50% then in the past couple of weeks to -65%.

The policy last year was 75% upload management on 100Mbit http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5...-products.html

When the new traffic management was launched in April, the upload managment on 100 and 120Mbit was 60% / 75% http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadban...agement-policy

So 50% / 65% is a reduction in upload management.

telfordcable

25-10-2013 12:10

Re: STM always enforced?

Upload shouldn't be reduced. I will complaint to ASA but I don't mind if it was 10% reduced.

Kabaal

25-10-2013 12:21

Re: STM always enforced?

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35636570)

When the new traffic management was launched in April, the upload managment on 100 and 120Mbit was 60% / 75% http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadban...agement-policy

So 50% / 65% is a reduction in upload management.

It was supposed to be but it wasn't. A few of us tested it extensively over the summer and 120mb was only getting 50% reduction. 100mb was getting the listed values applied but we weren't, we only went from 50% to 65% recently.

Not that it matters as -65% on an already low upload speed is still draconic.

BenMcr

25-10-2013 12:26

Re: STM always enforced?

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Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35636580)

Fair enough, but the published figures are what VM intended to happen, anything else was an error.

qasdfdsaq

25-10-2013 12:50

Re: STM always enforced?

We all know not to base our expectations on what VM intend to happen. I'm sure VM intended for the 50/100/upload upgrades to not be 1.5 years late...

kwikbreaks

25-10-2013 13:12

Re: STM always enforced?

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35636495)

Nobody's actually clarified whether it's the STM equipment or the shaping equipment which is supposedly being moved from the edge network to the core....

I was always under the impression that STM functionality was built into the CMTS. Certainly it's been mentioned in this thread that the rules are so I'm guessing that the actual throughput monitoring and speed reduction mechanism are too.

qasdfdsaq

25-10-2013 14:54

Re: STM always enforced?

That's what I also thought, but Seph said VM said there will be "breaks in STM" while the equipment is being moved, which doesn't make sense if the equipment for STM isn't being moved.

everyday

25-10-2013 16:26

Re: STM always enforced?

Am I right in thinking that all that have not had STM have been using modem mode? Dosen't an AP give you a different IP address?

Just wondering.

Kushan

25-10-2013 16:32

Re: STM always enforced?

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Originally Posted by everyday (Post 35636703)

Am I right in thinking that all that have not had STM have been using modem mode? Dosen't an AP give you a different IP address?

Just wondering.

I don't think Modem mode vs. non-modem-mode makes a difference. You'll get a different IP from switching but as far as the CMTS is concerned, nothing has changed on its end.

everyday

25-10-2013 16:46

Re: STM always enforced?

Which rules out my theory but thanks for the clarification :)

kwikbreaks

25-10-2013 23:39

Re: STM always enforced?

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35636668)

...Seph said VM said...

Did he mention if it sounded muffled at all? I suspect if the spokesman was seated at the time it may well have been.

qasdfdsaq

26-10-2013 02:26

Re: STM always enforced?

Hahahaha. Took me a while to get it, I'm a bit slow at this time of day :-\

Chrysalis

26-10-2013 06:12

Re: STM always enforced?

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35636312)

excellent news but for all the difference 16% is going to make they had might as well get rid of it altogether. It is a step in the right direction though and hopefully they'll look at getting rid of it after xmas. Everyone should note though that it is downstream only. Upstream is still capped to 50%.

my thoughts also, 16% is pretty low its as good as off, and probably have negligible impact on DS utilisation.

Given the nature of VMs network if US is turned off I expect it wont be pain free.

I also wonder how my area works with these changes as my area had DS utilisation issues many times.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35636595)

We all know not to base our expectations on what VM intend to happen. I'm sure VM intended for the 50/100/upload upgrades to not be 1.5 years late...

what about the lack of 10:1 ratio on 30/60 tiers?

broadbandking

26-10-2013 11:23

Re: STM always enforced?

I have seen a config alittle while ago with 60/6 so I am guessing it has started.

everyday

26-10-2013 12:16

Re: STM always enforced?

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Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35637022)

I have seen a config alittle while ago with 60/6 so I am guessing it has started.

It says it will take a while to get around, in cardiff it's still on the old one.