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nomadking 06-01-2010 12:53

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If the 2nd child doesn't return the punch, the 1st child learns that they can punch away with impunity or if the 1st child is looking for a response, they will increase the violence until they achieve a response. The 'Neville Chamberlain' approach doesn't work.

Gary L 06-01-2010 13:01

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34939904)
If the 2nd child doesn't return the punch, the 1st child learns that they can punch away with impunity

Which is why when he does get hit back and he doesn't like it because it hurts. he won't carry on punching with impunity.

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or if the 1st child is looking for a response, they will increase the violence until they achieve a response. The 'Neville Chamberlain' approach doesn't work.
What response does he want? a black and blue beating?

another subject, another thread I think. ;)

zing_deleted 06-01-2010 13:01

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34939904)
If the 2nd child doesn't return the punch, the 1st child learns that they can punch away with impunity or if the 1st child is looking for a response, they will increase the violence until they achieve a response. The 'Neville Chamberlain' approach doesn't work.


The Dave approach is if someone punches me punch them harder and repeatedly until they are unable to or no longer want to punch you lol

rogerdraig 06-01-2010 16:34

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34939875)
To answer your point directly Damien if i ever find myself being a minority and preparing to make false accusations and lie about people who i have never known smearing their memory i damn well hope everyone would shut me up before i do damage. I really do love the attitude a couple on here have of "we prove our democracy by allowing ourselves to be messed on by anyone that wants to" what a great way of thinking.

If the bnp or the edl or any of those other idiotic groups wanted to march through a muslim area just for the sake of it being a muslim area yes i would also oppose that and call for that to be banned as well. No one is saying remove the right to protest or demonstrate all that is being said is that there are appropriate places to do it and that's where they should conduct said protest\demonstration i don't see whats wrong with that and in no way is it silencing anyone.

People choose place's like this when they don't have a message when they don't have a point and all they do have is the place to use to offend, that isn't something we should ever encourage or allow in a civilised society because it is a form of bullying in itself.

Also i think we have to ask when allowing\banning any protest do the people in the area the protest\demonstration is being planned to take place deserve to have it in their area, have they contributed sufficiently to the root cause of a problem to be protested against and i think we all know the answer to that one on this occasion don't we.

where do you stop once you decide where one can protest does that mean you have to be from london to attend a march there or have to be living next a buisness to protest about what damage they may cause ?

this whole protest against thier protest just gives them the publicity they want

much better to let them march ( not at the same time as any soldiers are being brought back ) and ignore them dont get tv there or press and everyone could just go inside when they turn up that would have a bigger efect on them not doing it more often than anything else

Jimmy-J 06-01-2010 18:17

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If they were just ignored, they'd probably find a more extreme way to gain our attention. Either way, it's inevitable that one day soon, there's going to be blood spilt on our streets because of these fools.

RizzyKing 06-01-2010 19:00

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Roger of course it doesn't what it would mean is you only protest at a place that is the main cause of a problem or a symbol of that problem. Wootton does not deserve this attention and by announcing this these slimeballs have people talking about wootton for the wrong reason not the biggest reason it is usually talked about. I guess if they announced a plan to go march in a cemetary of war dead making their speeches and spewing their hate that would be ok as well with some on here.

Half our problem in this country is we are being too accomadating to people who do not deserve it nor value that accomadation and that shouldn't be an auitomatic right it should be something that is earned by the people of any country. We are so scared nowadays of offending anyone that when the time comes and something should be opposed we just lie down and do nothing because we have got used to doing that.

Hom3r 06-01-2010 19:06

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We have several options.

1. blockage WB from these planned marchers.

2. let them march but everybody turns there back on them (this was done in the past to people who left in disgrace.)

3. let them march and throw shoes at them (A insult to muslims)

IMHO the most legal, and less volitile is number 2.

SMG 06-01-2010 19:11

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34940141)
We have several options.

1. blockage WB from these planned marchers.

2. let them march but everybody turns there back on them (this was done in the past to people who left in disgrace.)

3. let them march and throw shoes at them (A insult to muslims)

IMHO the most legal, and less volitile is number 2.


I prefer No 4, keep em marching to Russia.

Peter_ 06-01-2010 19:14

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We would not be allowed to stage a similar protest in any muslim country because the locals would attack us and probably kill us.

This march must be banned simply because letting it go ahead will be a propaganda coup for all muslims who hate the west.

This march would not be ignored by the media as they know that the would be a massive story to be had here with the distinct prospect of some serious rioting.

Anyone that thinks that this march should be allowed to go ahead need to look in the mirror and say the following out loud.

"Am I really that stupid and gullible to believe that this protest if allowed will go ahead in a peaceful manner"

If you still think yes then you need to give yourself a good hard slap to try and make you come to your senses.

We have enough hand wringing simpering fools as it is in this country, so wake up and smell the coffee.

Hom3r 06-01-2010 19:19

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One thing me must remember about this.

It is not supported by all in the Muslim communties, on a very small number. Lets not tar them all.

Peter_ 06-01-2010 19:21

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34940155)
One thing me must remember about this.

It is not supported by all in the Muslim communties, on a very small number. Lets not tar them all.

Not tarring but without doubt we could not go to any muslim country and do a march like this as they would get very angry.

Hom3r 06-01-2010 19:29

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I know I was just making a statement, targeted at noboby in particlar.

Peter_ 06-01-2010 19:32

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34940173)
I know I was just making a statement, targeted at noboby in particlar.

I am aware of that mate but your post made a perfect sounding board.;)

Arthurgray50@blu 06-01-2010 20:01

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I have been saying for months that this country is so soft, its like butter. This government allows this to go on with this guy, they they still pay his benefit, and allow him and his family to stay in this country. This is the annoying part about this whole damn situation.

He has strong support as well, BUT he still remains in this country, it is like the guy who is in Belmarsh, giving out his demands, and we give it too them, what the hell is going on.

papa smurf 06-01-2010 20:04

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now here's an interesting development [please dont shoot the messenger]



BNP Leaders Vow to Physically Block Islamist Wootton Bassett March

The three highest publicly elected British National Party officials, GLA member Richard Barnbrook and MEPs Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons, have vowed to physically block the road in Wootton Bassett should the authorities permit the threatened Islamist march in that town to proceed.

In an official statement, the BNP announced that it would “defend Wootton Bassett and the memory of our fallen heroes. Nick Griffin MEP, Andrew Brons MEP and Richard Barnbrook AM will block the path of the Muslim fanatics.”

The statement said that the party had warned the authorities after the Luton incident that unless militant Islamism was curbed in Britain, the problem would grow worse.

“Do you remember the outrageous scenes in Luton when our returning soldiers were abused and spat on by fanatical ‘British’ Muslims?,” the statement said.

“The British National Party stated then that this was only the beginning of such vile displays as militant Islam flexes its muscles on our streets.

“We warned the authorities that unless the Government took firm action against these evil haters of all things British, they would become more provocative.

“Well, now as predicted, it’s happened. It has just been announced that the organisation ISLAM4UK, (a platform for the fanatical Al Muhajiroun group) led by Mr Anjem Choudary and a mob of at least 500 Islamic extremists plan to defile the memory of our dead soldiers by marching their hatred through Wootton Basset.

“This is the town through which the flag-draped coffins of our fallen servicemen and women are brought home. It is where families go to pay their respects to our glorious dead as they make the solemn journey to their final resting place. The thought of 500 hateful Islamists desecrating this place and spitting in the face of every true British citizen and the grief-stricken relatives of the dead is truly beyond the pale.

“It must be stopped! We will not have this! They shall not pass!

“The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage.

“However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Basset and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers.

“With this in mind, the British National Party WILL take a stand in defence of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London assembly member use their own bodies to physically block the street and any attempt by Muslim fanatics to insult the memory of our fallen soldiers.

“We appeal to the authorities to do the right thing and arrest these traitorous Muslim fanatics. We are at war. Our men and women are being killed on a daily basis and we are expected to put up with this gross outrage and insult to the families of the fallen. Make no mistake, we are earnest on this issue.

“If the authorities lack the courage and moral fibre to confront this disgusting Muslim march of hate, we believe that the presence of our three highest-profile elected politicians in a peaceful yet highly symbolic defiance of the Muslim mob, will force the Government to ban this vile march.

“If they do not, the PR consequences for them and public support for us will be immeasurable,” the BNP statement concluded.


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