Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34787090)

However if you are speeding (ignorance is not an excuse btw) and you hit someone then yes, you made a decision (or were negligent, it's your responsibility to check your driving within the limit) and broke the law. This results in a death then YES you deserve to go to jail but should your punishment be the same as someone who went out intending to murder someone? No.

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34787101)

Are you talking about killing people on the road, or killing people in general?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34787102)

He's talking about killing in general.

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34787099)

That is a stupid argument really. nobody that kills on the road meant to kill anyone either.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34787109)

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34787114)

You're being pedantic as usual.
only one of them is in the UK. and two of them are the same to make the numbers up :D

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34787118)

Mmmmmm, new definition of pedantic I hadn't come across before - correcting factual inaccuracies. ;)

Thanks for pointing out the duplicate link, Gareth - now fixed.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34787087)

Chris is not arguing for the perpetrator. He is just not arguing exclusively from the victim's family's point of view. He is arguing from a neutral standpoint. Justice has to be done, and it has been but it should be proportionate to the crime. It may not seem so when you look at it purely from the point of view of someone losing their life but it's important to remember he did not mean to cause a death.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34787127)

Getting it completely wrong is not a "minute detail", imho.:D Your statement was factually incorrect.

re the name, sorry about that - you just strike me as a bit of a Gareth. ;)

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34787120)

...and the name's Gary, not Gareth.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34787127)

Getting it completely wrong is not a "minute detail", imho.:D Your statement was factually incorrect.

re the name, sorry about that - you just strike me as a bit of a Gareth. ;)

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34786750)

I believe Derek was talking about the guy's pension, which was contributory - why should he lose that?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34787098)

It's not a reward, it's what he earned as a result of his career until the point he is booted out and sent to jail. I don't see why he should lose his pension as well.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34787098)

It's not a reward, it's what he earned as a result of his career until the point he is booted out and sent to jail. I don't see why he should lose his pension as well.

Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34787566)

If he did that to my child I would hunt him down and ensure he could never drive again, make of that what you will.