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this must be the case as NTL are offering the new speeds as an option for existing customers to take for a £25 charge - therefore you have the option to remain on the old speeds (until they force you to changeover).

the old tiers wont be available for new customers though.

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Not for certian - but the NTL statement is that existing customers "can upgrade from Q1 2005 for a fee of £25".

I take the "can" as a "can but do not have to", otherwise I would expect "existing customers MUST upgrade" in their somewhere.

I may be wrong - but that is how I read it.
(but as I said - I cannot see why people would not want to :naughty: )

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I must admit i feel sorry for anyone on the same ubr as a warez monkey as you put them :)

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A 40Gb cap is not unreasonable compared to some that exist, BUT bandwidth usage is INCREASING not DECREASING and to be capped to todays reasonable level is tomorrow's unreasonable level.

It will all have to be reviewed at some point when Ultra high bandwidth (VOD for example) become more common place, already any software I do buy is done electronically by downloading the package, this will only increase and IMHO the 40gb cap WILL become restrictive.

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nice to see this is developing into a CAP thread!

zzzzzzzzzzzz

:D

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Who's to say cap will stay as it is? As technology progresses packages progress with it, naturally.

By the time VOD is really widespread most likely DOCSIS 3 will be around and ready to rumble, which will be rather pleasant :)

Nothing stopping future caps being traffic sensitive - certain types of traffic being explicitly excluded or included, just a question of the required hardware being installed for deep application layer inspection of the data.

Likewise nothing stopping traffic shaping (eek swearword!!) being used in lieu of or as an accompanyment to more generous traffic limits.

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sorry :blush:
That really wasn't my intention.

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we can but hope :)

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One point that is being missed is that in reality NTL BB prices are coming down whilst you are getting faster and faster speeds. Prices held with positive inflation means you have to work less hours to pay for them.

DOCSIS 3 ?, what happened to DOCSIS 2 ? ;)

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That's a bit steep! :shocked:

I'm on 2Mbps uncapped with PlusNet for £40.

Have to admit that a 30GB capped 2Mbps product with NTL would be much cheaper, but then I refuse to put up with endless packet loss, modem reboots, slow pings and terminally slow browsing on a 2Mbps product, as I had been getting on 1.5Mbps with NTL. I'm happy to pay more money for better quality and especially a stunningly better level of customer service with PlusNet.

NTL should sort out the network and local problems, plus their customer service, rather than concentrate on increasing speeds at lower prices to attract new customers thus congesting the network further. Sort that lot out, and I'd consider coming back (though I'd be more interested in NTL via ADSL than Cable Modem, as I'm convinced now that ADSL is a better technology in the long run, unless NTL are prepared to re-lay the entire cable network).

Though a little thought I've just had... is this confirmed to be a speed increase on NTL's cable network or is this actually what's going to be offered on their LLU ADSL connections? (or will they offer it on both?).

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As far as I see now, Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m staying on the £17.99 300K with the 30GB a month cap. Although I thought it did not have a cap, but I read different now. :(

What is the point of giving us a faster connection able to download things and use the net more when there is such a low cap. If I had the new 1MB service for £17.99 Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢d go over the 5GB downloading Demoââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s and clips, Music with that speed and does that mean that you loose the connection.:Yikes:

Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s like giving you a Ferrari and giving you 5 miles to drive it, utter madness you can ripe down the road fast as you like but the journey ends rather fast or drive at 2mph and make it last but your sitting on all this power.:rolleyes:

Surly the 5GB a month is wrong?
How much is 5GB in reality to normal usage?

I would only take it if you got a warning that you had the last 1GB free for usage so I could stop all downloads and just use my everyday essentials like browsing, E-mail.

The upgrade looked good even with the Admin fee (£25 ouch) but im not so sure now.:confused:

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Confirmed as being on cable network.
Your area is fixed up now, it was never congested, however following some planned work some things went wrong that took a while to isolate. This has now been done and Woking is sweet again.
ADSL as it is now certainly isn't a better technology, pure copper, distance dependent, 8mbit/1mbit maximum vs hybrid fibre / coaxial network, no distance limitations, current max speeds ~28Mbps down and 4Mbits upstream (on ntl's implementation, can go a little higher with extra kit).
Certainly DSL will progress, however BT have had a max speed on their products of 2Mbit downstream 256k upstream for 4 years since commercial launch, and this is the same rate they trialled 8 years ago.
Whatever technology is the best it's down to what the companies decide to do with it. Virtually everywhere ntl have bb BT do as well, so ntl are competing with BT. Due to it being much cheaper to DSL enable an exchange than lay new cable in a town BT are able to cover much more of the country, so in their mind ntl / Telewest aren't really an issue as they have all these monopoly areas, which is why their product line has been so static, and their main innovations are removing unmetered charging for their bandwidth to smaller ISPs (a work in progress) and introducing massively higher charges for those ISPs that want to be able to use the pipes unmetered in order to get those extra few quid out of ISPs and customers.
Meanwhile their own ADSL ISP is so fed up with the rest of the company's attitude towards growing DSL's abilities and wholesale prices that they are considering unbundling exchanges themselves to have more control.

Fundamentally due to deeper fibre in network cable is the better technology, ntl are by the looks of it by far the more progressive company as well (comparing to BT Wholesale, who supply ADSL connectivity to all ISPs that don't unbundle).

Considerably above average for 300k customers, approximately average for 750k....

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link

...and here

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Ah DOCSIS 2 only really gives higher upstreams, DOCSIS 3 will allow 'bonding' of multiple downstream channels, supplying nominal 56Mbit using 2 channels for example, instead of 28.

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NTL deserve a clap for this, I think maybe the top tier should be higher cap (50 or 60 gig) but in general I like.

1 - Bottom tier is low cap to stop mass downgrading from middle to bottom tier
2 - Middle tier is same cap as now but a speed increase from 750kbit to 2mbit (250%)
3 - Top tier gets a cap increase and double speed

As it stands ntl is just using a soft cap system and I think for at least the first 6 months it will stay that way, they will probably monitor usage and and send out letters to people who really take the **** (900 gig a month), then if they see the problem becoming to widespread then they might introduce a hard capping system.
I also like how finally the bottom tier have a lower cap limit. I will at this time probably stay on the middle tier.