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etccarmageddon 01-06-2004 12:11

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Originally Posted by towny
'Freak' in the Victorian sense is probably best translated today as 'different'. I'm not sure how far, even back in the 19th century, the freak show was intended to make value judgements on its 'exhibits'. I'm certain that C4 isn't saying these people are in any way worthless (I'm not saying that either).

But there is no doubt in my mind that C4 expects, at least in part, that entertainment value of these particular 12 people being in the house is that they are sufficiently different from the majority of everyday British people that people will want to pay a ha'penny to come and stare at them.

I don't think we have a houseful of 'dwarfs' either. 'Gay' certainly isn't adequate as a single categorisation in this case. They have all got their own particular 'flavour' of sexuality, from the transsexual to the militant lesbian, to two women who aren't avowedly bisexual but have enjoyed liaisons with other women, to the outrageous mincer (who strangely calmed down a lot within about 12 hours of being inside) to the homosexual male who uses the word 'gay' to refer to outrageous mincers who give all homosexuals 'a bad name'.

so we have a houseful of 'exhibits' then?

SMHarman 01-06-2004 12:12

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Although I strongly dislike many of her apparent principles, if the stories of her past are true then she's probably been through things which would push most people over the edge. If she's being loopy now it's probably because of her past experiences.

According to the Mail today it's a load of tosh, she's had the choice to have a normal middle class upbringing, with the benefit(?) of private schooling.

Never lived in London in her life according to her Father.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...5&in_a_source=

She has already proclaimed herself the hardcore Left-wing lesbian of Big Brother.

But the father of Kathryn 'Kitten' Pinder last night said her tales of being a teenage prostitute are a lie - and slammed Channel 4 for the show's obsession with sex. Kenneth Pinder, a retired surveyor, said his daughter was in fact at a £12,000-a-year boarding school at 16, the age when she told fellow contestants on the reality show she was working as a child prostitute in London. She had, however, completed a well-regarded dissertation on prostitution while a university student, so he assumed she must have drawn on that knowledge for her attention-seeking stories on screen.

And Mr Pinder, 57, who had to remortgage the family's detached home to satisfy 'radical' Kathryn's request to go to private school, said the whole family are devastated by her sudden appearance on television.

Prostitution

None had been told she was to take part. Mr Pinder and his former wife Elizabeth-Anne - they split in 1998 - were last night understood to be making desperate efforts to persuade producers to remove their 24-year-old daughter from the programme before more harm is done.

Since she entered the Big Brother house on Friday - publicly kissing her girlfriend Lianda Gibson and giving cameramen her trademark one-finger salute as she did so - she has already became unpopular with fellow inmates and had all her belongings taken.

At his home in St Albans, Hertfordshire, Mr Pinder, who calls his daughter Kat, said: "Kat was having problems at her secondary school in Beverley, Yorkshire, and she chose to go to private school.

"We remortgaged the house, and she chose Denstone College in Staffordshire.

"When she reached the age of 16, she was still at Denstone College. She was still there right to the end of the following academic year.

"She was nearly 17 when she left. She then came home to live with her parents in Beverley.

"She was a full-time student at Wyke Sixth-Form College in Hull and followed on to Hull College doing A-levels.

Private school education

"She studied continuously in Hull and was living in Hull right through university until she got her degree in 2003.
"She missed getting a first-class degree by a whisker and got the departmental prize.
"Only then did she move to Brighton. She never lived in London.
"I do not know why she has said what she has said. Her parents have loved her and cherished her."

He added that she may have found it easy to talk about prostitution on the television show because her degree dissertation had been a comparison of prostitution in London with that in Amsterdam.

Mr Pinder said: "My daughter is a pawn in a much bigger game. The game being played is being perpetuated by Channel 4.

Lies

"Channel 4 has allowed the contestants to be conned.
"I did not know she was even staying with those people until the first programme had been run on the television.
"She kept it all a secret. All the other families were there at the launch.
"People's lives are being destroyed because of this. Her mother has been totally distraught.
"There are frail elderly relatives who have had sheltered upbringings whose lives will be ruined by this.
"It is built on a huge fabrication of lies - had it not been for these vile, pernicious, totally sexual overtones and the fabric of lies around these sexual things and prostitution, there is a lot in there that could be entertaining.
"But you could not be amused by it and entertained by it because of the sexual overtones and the sexual agenda.
"The sexual agenda prevents any semblance of amusement or entertainment. It stifles the entertainment value."
Mr Pinder said he last saw his daughter at her flat in Brighton in April, when he visited her and her girlfriend with Easter eggs and her computer from home.
And he said he wished she had not gone into the Big Brother house at all.
"Obviously I would prefer her not to be on the programme," he added.
"I would not like to go any further than that."

Chris 01-06-2004 12:14

Re: the Big Brother thread !!
 
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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
so we have a houseful of 'exhibits' then?

I believe that's what Channel 4 thinks, yes. There would be no entertainment value in filling the house with respectable middle-class, middle aged commuters from Surbiton. They have been stung by claims that last year's series was a bore and have selected this year's contestants for their perceived shock value. So far, it's proven a successful tactic. They've got me talking about it even though I find the whole thing more than a little degrading.

etccarmageddon 01-06-2004 12:18

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perhaps they could have been more radical and brought some inteligence to the idea of 'exhibits'...

a charity worker, a cancer sufferer, a disabled person, a person with learning difficulties - why not also include these 'types' of people - wouldnt that be infinitely more interesting and surely a lot more can be learnt from people like this than from the current bunch?

Chris 01-06-2004 12:19

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
perhaps they could have been more radical and brought some inteligence to the idea of 'exhibits'...

a charity worker, a cancer sufferer, a disabled person, a person with learning difficulties - why not also include these 'types' of people - wouldnt that be infinitely more interesting and surely a lot more can be learnt from people like this than from the current bunch?

Yes, that would have been interesting (to me, anyway). Sadly, C4 has followed the axiom that 'sex sells' instead. :(

EDIT
On reflection, C4 might have faced accusations of profiting from the misfortune of others had it put various 'disadvantaged' people in the house. Such accusations may have been unfounded but would make a good headline nevertheless.

The way they have done things, they are instead profiting from the vanity and stupidity of people who have chosen to spend two months deluding themselves that the world is interested in who they are and what they have to say.

Russ 01-06-2004 12:40

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Channel 4 can't win - last year they were blasted for having too many 'boring' contestants, this year they're all 'freaks'.

Chris 01-06-2004 12:46

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Channel 4 can't win - last year they were blasted for having too many 'boring' contestants, this year they're all 'freaks'.

Everybody in the public eye is criticised no matter what they do. It's simply the British way. To that extent, no they can't win, and neither can anyone else, no matter what they do.

However, ratings wise, I won't be surprised if they do win this year. Despite the carping, the British public does enjoy a good freak show, and that is what they have been given.

etccarmageddon 01-06-2004 12:50

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Channel 4 can't win - last year they were blasted for having too many 'boring' contestants, this year they're all 'freaks'.

but you can get interesting people without seeking out just loads of sexual 'exhibits'.

Pierre 01-06-2004 12:57

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The way they have done things, they are instead profiting from the vanity and stupidity of people who have chosen to spend two months deluding themselves that the world is interested in who they are and what they have to say.
It's the same every year isn't it? No different this year.

The problem is that the format is getting tired. People aren't interested in the people in the house becuase they know what they are there for.

The format of "celebrity" reality shows is more interesting.

But people will watch Big Brother. However, I predict rating will drop to new lows.

etccarmageddon 01-06-2004 15:24

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Emma = Kathy Burke

Russ 01-06-2004 15:38

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Lol!!

And aparently Kitten used to be called Perry (Kevin and Perry) because she used to look, sound and act like her :D

etccarmageddon 01-06-2004 15:56

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Lol!!

And aparently Kitten used to be called Perry (Kevin and Perry) because she used to look, sound and act like her :D


kitten = dog

Russ 01-06-2004 18:39

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Anyone else watch BBLB? Was it just me or did there seem to be a bit of frostiness between Dermot and Chris Moyles?

Charlie_Bubble 01-06-2004 23:57

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Anyone else watch BBLB? Was it just me or did there seem to be a bit of frostiness between Dermot and Chris Moyles?

Yeah, I think Dermot is a fairly straight up kind of person. He follows his script etc. closely and I think Moyles has caused a bit of bother with BB in the past. I think Dermot was a bit wary and tbh Moyles did seem like he might kick off about something at any moment.

Charlie_Bubble 01-06-2004 23:58

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Awww, poor young Stuart:

http://bigbrother.channel4.com/bigbr...ry.jsp?id=5536


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