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Paul 28-04-2025 18:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Nonsensical posts removed, back to reality please.

jem 28-04-2025 19:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36195601)
I see Donald is doing his bit to get the voters out in Canada today…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1745849931
Yes, good for him. Of course they may not interpret and vote the way he thinks they will.

GrimUpNorth 28-04-2025 20:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I waiting for Canada to invite the American States to join a big beautiful Canada.

Hugh 28-04-2025 21:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36195639)
I waiting for Canada to invite the American States to join a big beautiful Canada.
It’s a size thing - Canada is bigger than the USA…

Mr K 28-04-2025 22:20
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Canada must have a good claim on Alaska. Being in the USA is silly if you look at the map. Looks like it originally belonged to Russia, so Putin might have a claim too. He has a free hand now after all....

Sephiroth 28-04-2025 22:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Canada used to be pink on the map. Wouldn't hurt if ....

Paul 28-04-2025 23:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36195644)
It’s a size thing - Canada is bigger than the USA…
Size wise, yes, only about a 10th of the population though.

---------- Post added at 23:47 ---------- Previous post was at 23:46 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36195646)
Canada must have a good claim on Alaska. Being in the USA is silly if you look at the map. Looks like it originally belonged to Russia
It did, it was purchased from Russia in 1867.

Hugh 30-04-2025 10:31
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Yay for Trump and his Government - he's saved one in three USA'ns lives since 20th January 2025...

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/04/3.jpg

People must share fentanyl-laced pills like kids with lollipops - each have a suck, then give it to the next person; how else could each pill kill five people?

joglynne 30-04-2025 10:49
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I think Mr Trump has always had a problem with maths. I think its the decimal point that confuses him. But even 11.9 million seems a tad overestimated.

papa smurf 30-04-2025 11:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I thought it was called fetnaaal, from listening to the shyte house briefings

Pierre 30-04-2025 13:18
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Dodgy maths aside, if they have indeed intercepted that amount of drugs, it's still something to celebrated.

Their over exaggeration just distracts away from what is a real good news achievement.

1andrew1 30-04-2025 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36195746)
Dodgy maths aside, if they have indeed intercepted that amount of drugs, it's still something to celebrated.

Their over exaggeration just distracts away from what is a real good news achievement.
The trouble is we simply don't know if it is a real good news achievement or not as it's from an unreliable source and at least one figure in the post is demonstrably incorrect.

Chris 30-04-2025 13:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36195746)
Dodgy maths aside, if they have indeed intercepted that amount of drugs, it's still something to celebrated.

Their over exaggeration just distracts away from what is a real good news achievement.
The exaggeration beings the entire claim into question, especially given the veracity of the one making it. Trump doesn’t just exaggerate, he plainly makes stuff up.

1andrew1 30-04-2025 13:54
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I guess Trump's supporters will couch this as part of the tough medicine to cure the USA's ails. Obviously, the rush to import at lower tariffs has had a one-off negative impact on GDP.
Quote:
US economy contracts at 0.3% rate as Trump tariffs prompt import surge

Annualised first-quarter figure comes below expectations and contrasts with previous growth

The US economy contracted by an annualised 0.3 per cent over the first quarter, as companies in the world’s largest economy responded to Donald Trump’s trade war by stockpiling imports.

The slide in GDP for the period was worse than economists’ most recent forecasts and compared with the 2.4 per cent rate recorded for the fourth quarter.

The fall was largely the result of US companies’ rush to accumulate inventory ahead of Trump’s sweeping tariffs, with US Census Bureau data on Tuesday showing the trade deficit for goods hitting a record high in March.

The difference between imports and exports is an important factor in calculating GDP, which also measures domestic consumption, investment and government spending.
https://www.ft.com/content/104ece93-...9-ace4e314ec0c

papa smurf 30-04-2025 15:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36195750)
The exaggeration beings the entire claim into question, especially given the veracity of the one making it. Trump doesn’t just exaggerate, he plainly makes stuff up.
when you take out the dodgy maths and the bull shyte there's nothing left :)

Hugh 30-04-2025 15:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36195749)
The trouble is we simply don't know if it is a real good news achievement or not as it's from an unreliable source and at least one figure in the post is demonstrably incorrect.
Less Fentanyl appears to have been seized this year than in the previous two years (ytd)

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/d...ure-statistics

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1746024904

Paul 30-04-2025 17:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36195746)
Dodgy maths aside, if they have indeed intercepted that amount of drugs, it's still something to celebrated.

Their over exaggeration just distracts away from what is a real good news achievement.
If its true, but can we actually believe the pill count isnt exaggerated as well.

Hugh 30-04-2025 21:14
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This is a real post, not a spoof.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1746043777

For the first time in history*, the answer to the question "is the Pope Catholic" may not be self-evident…

*I know it isn’t going to happen, but the level of sycophantic sucking-up has just reached new depths…

Russ 30-04-2025 21:22
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Surely that ought to be orange smoke?

thenry 30-04-2025 21:31
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There's no need to bring Netherlands into this ;)

Hugh 30-04-2025 21:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36195781)
There's no need to bring Netherlands into this ;)
That's where Lindsay is trying to fit himself into - Trump's nether lands...

Paul 30-04-2025 23:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36195778)
For the first time in history*, the answer to the question "is the Pope Catholic" may not be self-evident…
The pope has to be a baptized catholic male, so the answer would still be Yes.

No idea if Trump qualifies.

Hugh 01-05-2025 08:19
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...b2742739.html#

Quote:
Smith also asked Trump to respond to those who view his actions against Harvard University as an “attack on academic freedom rather than the defense of fairness.”

Trump responded: “Well, I say this. We had riots in Harlem, in Harlem, and frankly, if you look at what’s gone on, and people from Harlem went up and they protested, Stephen. And they protested very strongly against Harvard. They happened to be on my side.”

Russ 01-05-2025 11:01
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Sigh…..

Maggy 01-05-2025 11:22
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The rich b*******s of America must be soooo happy that the incredibly stupid voters keep electing the one person who will NEVER EVER TAX the rich b*******s but will put all the tax burden on the incredibly stupid voters instead.

Mr K 01-05-2025 17:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36195795)
The rich b*******s of America must be soooo happy that the incredibly stupid voters keep electing the one person who will NEVER EVER TAX the rich b*******s but will put all the tax burden on the incredibly stupid voters instead.
Yes but he'll Make Amerca Great Again (and more importantly isn't a black woman).

No sympathy at all for the US electorate, they are mostly stupid.

Itshim 01-05-2025 17:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36195811)
Yes but he'll Make Amerca Great Again (and more importantly isn't a black woman).

No sympathy at all for the US electorate, they are mostly stupid.
The thing you don't get is that Harris was very much disliked , the vote supports this . also Trumps policies had great support, again the vote , even If the implementation is crazy. :dozey:

papa smurf 01-05-2025 18:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36195816)
The thing you don't get is that Harris was very much disliked , the vote supports this . also Trumps policies had great support, again the vote , even If the implementation is crazy. :dozey:
And don't forget it was the biggest bestest victory ever ever in the world, huge huge much bigliest ever in the history of every thing



oops sorry forgot to mention it was biglier than bidens win

Hugh 01-05-2025 19:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36195822)
And don't forget it was the biggest bestest victory ever ever in the world, huge huge much bigliest ever in the history of every thing



oops sorry forgot to mention it was biglier than bidens win
Obviously not true, because "BIDEN DIDN'T WIN - HE STOLE THE ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

1andrew1 01-05-2025 22:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36195816)
The thing you don't get is that Harris was very much disliked , the vote supports this . also Trumps policies had great support, again the vote , even If the implementation is crazy. :dozey:
145% overnight tariffs are never a good policy.

Itshim 02-05-2025 12:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36195833)
145% overnight tariffs are never a good policy.
However the ambition is correct, just look at the mess the steel industry is in , In the uk:shocked:

Hugh 02-05-2025 12:57
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What a silly billy he is…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1746187025

TheDaddy 02-05-2025 13:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36195866)
What a silly billy he is…
Everything is a distraction from the nightmare of his own making

Itshim 02-05-2025 14:02
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36195867)
Everything is a distraction from the nightmare of his own making
Do you also object to the sentiment :confused:

Hugh 02-05-2025 14:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36195869)
Do you also object to the sentiment :confused:
I object to

a) a draft dodger (Cadet Bonespurs) bloviating on Military Memorial days
b) not recognising that WW1 and WW2 were won by Alliances, not by any one single nation
c) the ignoring of the fact that in both Conflicts, the USA joined over two years after they started
d) the ignorance of the fact that in WW1, whilst the USA had 2 million soldiers in Europe, the U.K. had 5.4 million, and France had 8.8 million

1andrew1 02-05-2025 15:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36195866)
He makes it sound like the Olympics rather than young men making the ultimate sacrifice to protect their nations and democracy. And on that count, the losses suffered by other countries hugely exceeded the US.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...0(1%20to%201.7

Anonymouse 02-05-2025 16:49
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Listen very carefully - I shall say zis only vonce.

Kate Stewart was right in The Day of the Doctor to keep the Vortex Manipulator out of American hands. :p:

Seriously, though, this is insulting to the UK, French, Aussie and other soldiers who died stopping the Nazis. I read that Woodrow Wilson said "We are too proud to fight" - what a coward!

Itshim 02-05-2025 17:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36195872)
I object to

a) a draft dodger (Cadet Bonespurs) bloviating on Military Memorial days
b) not recognising that WW1 and WW2 were won by Alliances, not by any one single nation
c) the ignoring of the fact that in both Conflicts, the USA joined over two years after they started
d) the ignorance of the fact that in WW1, whilst the USA had 2 million soldiers in Europe, the U.K. had 5.4 million, and France had 8.8 million
Honestly do you see the allies winning if the USA hadn't joined in :shocked: of course we will never know but I think not.

1andrew1 02-05-2025 19:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36195880)
Honestly do you see the allies winning if the USA hadn't joined in :shocked: of course we will never know but I think not.
Even if that's true which it likely is, it doesn't make Trump's post correct or respectful.

Russ 02-05-2025 19:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36195880)
Honestly do you see the allies winning if the USA hadn't joined in :shocked: of course we will never know but I think not.
Russia suffered more casualties than the yanks.

Had they not joined in, we still would have wo,n but it would have taken considerably longer and suffered more casualties ourselves.

Always fun pointing this out to yanks on social media.

Paul 02-05-2025 19:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
We should copy him, delclare both days as holidays and celebrate our wins. :)

(and get rid of the May 1st holiday)

Itshim 02-05-2025 20:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36195900)
Russia suffered more casualties than the yanks.

Had they not joined in, we still would have wo,n but it would have taken considerably longer and suffered more casualties ourselves.

Always fun pointing this out to yanks on social media.
I think not but if it makes you feel better :angel:

Pierre 02-05-2025 21:01
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36195900)
Russia suffered more casualties than the yanks.

Had they not joined in, we still would have wo,n but it would have taken considerably longer and suffered more casualties ourselves.

Always fun pointing this out to yanks on social media.
You can’t retro war game WWII.

There’s no telling what would have happened if you remove any part. There’s certainly no guarantee that we would have won without the US.

When the US did join, the war was effectively won, it was then just a matter of time.

Without the US, and that would mean no Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, leaving the Japs to reign in the Pacific theatre, the outcome would have almost certainly been not total victory in either theatre.

The world would look very different today

Damien 02-05-2025 22:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36195908)
There’s no telling what would have happened if you remove any part. There’s certainly no guarantee that we would have won without the US.

When the US did join, the war was effectively won, it was then just a matter of time.

Without the US, and that would mean no Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, leaving the Japs to reign in the Pacific theatre, the outcome would have almost certainly been not total victory in either theatre.

The world would look very different today
Assuming we still had lend-lease then the Western front was, as you say, almost certainly won already. I guess the question is, would we still be able to pull off D-Day, and when? How fast could we have crossed Europe?

It would probably have taken a lot longer, had a lot more deaths, and more of Europe would have been under Soviet control. I might be wrong, but I believe one of the big motivations for America was to race to Berlin as the writing was on the wall as to what post-war Europe was going to look like.

TheDaddy 03-05-2025 03:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36195869)
Do you also object to the sentiment :confused:
Of course, I'm not being given a history lesson by someone who disrespects genuine war heroes and equates his grab 'em by the pussy response as the bravest thing a General had ever seen and that's not even considering his disputed suckers and losers comment when he didn't want to get, whatever that thing on his head is wet besides which I'm sure his handlers will have something to say about the 10+ million of their countrymens sacrifice

Maggy 03-05-2025 08:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump is an embarrassment compared to all former US Presidents.

Hugh 07-05-2025 09:19
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From today’s Telegraph

https://archive.ph/xHuo3

Quote:
Britain’s tariff burden worse than EU

Britain faces a higher rate of US tariff than the European Union despite Donald Trump’s hatred of Brussels, new analysis shows.

The UK’s effective tariff rate – the average charged on British goods exported to the US – is 11.6pc, compared with 9.5pc for the EU, according to Capital Economics.

British imports also face a higher average rate than Mexico, Canada, India, Thailand and Vietnam.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1746605884

The figures reflect the mix of products being exported to the US. Despite the UK facing just the minimum 10pc tariff introduced by Mr Trump, compared with 20pc for the EU, many British exports are subject to extra sector-specific levies.

Chris 07-05-2025 09:35
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That’s interesting, but seems like only half an analysis to me.

On the one hand, the headline tariffs give a decent indication of Trump’s intent. On that reading, he doesn’t like Brussels at all, but sort-of likes the UK because of his Scottish granny.

On the other hand, the effective tariffs presented here don’t really give the full picture with regard to the actual effect on the UK economy because, while they weight for the amount of tariffed goods traded, they don’t seem to account for how sensitive to tariffs those goods are. Items that are easily replaceable by domestically produced alternatives within the US ought to be weighted more than those which can’t be. Scotch whisky, for example - while there is (allegedly) an American alternative, the alternative isn’t Scotch whisky. If that’s what you want, and plenty of people do, that’s what you have to buy.

Itshim 07-05-2025 11:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36196191)
From today’s Telegraph

https://archive.ph/xHuo3
Lies Damn lies and statistics :dunce:

Hugh 07-05-2025 11:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36196200)
Lies Damn lies and statistics :dunce:
Drat those pesky facts and statistics…

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/06/p...carney-imports

Quote:
Fact check: Trump claimed the US doesn’t do ‘much business with Canada.’ Canada is the world’s top buyer of US exports

During his Tuesday meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, President Donald Trump falsely minimized the importance of the US trade relationship with Canada.

“We don’t do much business with Canada from our standpoint. They do a lot of business with us. We’re at like 4%,” Trump said.

That “4%” figure is wrong. Official US data shows that Canada bought about 17% of US goods exports in February and March, the last month for which data is available – more than any other country. Canada bought about 16% of US goods exports in January, second only to Mexico.

Trump’s “we don’t do much business with Canada from our standpoint” claim is too subjective to render a definitive fact-check verdict, but Carney’s remark that “we are the largest client of the United States” is confirmed by the US government itself. Official US data shows that Canada bought about $440 billion worth of US goods and services in 2024, more than any other country, and the Office of the US Trade Representative notes on its website that “in 2024, Canada was the top destination for U.S. exports” as well as “the third-largest source of U.S. imports.”

Trump also repeated his frequent claim that the US is “subsidizing Canada to the tune of maybe $200 billion per year.” Trump has previously made clear that he is speaking about the US trade deficit with Canada, but that is not even close to $200 billion. Official US statistics show the 2024 deficit with Canada in goods and services trade was about $36 billion.

Even if you only count trade in goods and ignore the services trade at which the US excels, the deficit was about $71 billion. And even if he was this time using the word “subsidizing” to describe unspecified other things in addition to the trade deficit, there is no basis for the claim.

Russ 08-05-2025 15:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I’ve never hidden my complete distrust and dislike of the man (or as some call it, “Trump derangement syndrome” which I actually love the sound of :D ) but I can’t shake the overwhelming feeling that this new trade “deal” will massively favour the yanks than ourselves, most likely behind the scenes.

Hugh 08-05-2025 16:14
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The "deal" will last until he changes his mind again, or somebody says something he doesn’t like, or until Stephen Miller/Musk/Dan Scavino/Peter Navarro tells him the U.K. is ripping him off…

Sephiroth 08-05-2025 16:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Maybe Starmer's lot have done the UK a good turn. We'll see, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

Itshim 08-05-2025 17:17
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The sheet confirmed that the 10% tariff Trump levied on the UK last month will remain in effect.

The deal appears to center predominantly around cars, the US’ sixth-top export to the UK and the UK’s top export to the US, according to data from the Commerce Department.

“Under the deal, the first 100,000 vehicles imported into the US by UK car manufacturers each year are subject to the reciprocal rate of 10% and any additional vehicles each year are subject to 25% rates,” the fact sheet states. That’s a change from the 25% tariff in place for foreign cars shipped to the US.
Wow

peanut 08-05-2025 18:54
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Knowing trump, probably all part of his plan. Go high then reduce it. Makes it look like you're getting a good deal and he'll end up being the good guy all for it.

Maggy 09-05-2025 09:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36196317)
Knowing trump, probably all part of his plan. Go high then reduce it. Makes it look like you're getting a good deal and he'll end up being the good guy all for it.
:tu:

Hugh 12-05-2025 08:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump receives luxury jet from Qatar ‘to use as Air Force One’

https://www.thetimes.com/article/06d...3f128c08d05258

Quote:
The Trump administration is set to accept a luxury Boeing 747-8 jet as a donation from the Qatari royal family, in what is possibly the biggest foreign gift ever to be received by the US government, according to a senior official.

The plane will then be donated to Trump’s presidential library when he leaves office, the official said, allowing him to continue using it as a private citizen, according to US media reports…

… The plane being donated by Qatar is expected to be retrofitted by a military contractor called L3Harris, in Texas. It is expected to be finished by the end of the year, allowing Trump to use it while in office.

A Defence Department official said it could take an extended period of time to complete the contract and complete the upgrades and modifications, if the donation goes ahead. “We’re talking years, not months,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive details about a future Air Force One (AF1)…

… The present plan has been signed off on by government lawyers who concluded it does not violate the emoluments clause of the Constitution and that the Defence Department can accept the gift, the official said.
The "government lawyer" who signed it off was Pam Bondi, the US Attorney General, who was previously a lobbyist for the Qatar Government, earning $115k per month from them…

thenry 12-05-2025 15:07
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Sir Keir Starmer had to refuse gifts yet big orange has a massive jet on the way :confused:

Also didn't the secret service refuse Trumps request to use his own jet last term?

Sephiroth 13-05-2025 22:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
A wonderful piece in the Torygraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...llying-brexit/

Quote:
It is “nastier” than China. It has treated the US “very unfairly”. And it has shown no willingness to compromise. President Trump has been furiously dialling down his tariff wars over the last few days, reaching a truce with China, lifting his levies on Britain, and it is close to an agreement with Japan, with smaller economies such as Vietnam likely to follow soon afterwards. There is just one big exception. The European Union.

The global trading system, after the shock of “Liberation Day”, should soon be back to something close to normal. The US and China, the two largest economies in the world, and by far the most important trading relationship, have reached a deal that will take levies down to manageable levels and re-open the Pacific trade routes. Britain has carved out an exception for itself and many others will get what the President will no doubt refer to as great deals very soon.

The one exception will be the EU. There is absolutely zero sign of any progress, and Trump has singled out the bloc for extra criticism. There is now a real risk that huge tariffs on the EU remain in place while they are lifted elsewhere. We can see something very similar in defence, with France’s President Macron now recognising that he needs the UK as much, if not more, than the other way around. The tables have decisively turned.

And yet, the bloc only has itself to blame. The trade masterminds in Brussels, despite constantly boasting about how they are the smartest negotiators in the world, have brought this calamity upon themselves. First, they have racked up a huge surplus with the US, running to 198 billion euros a year, while fiercely protecting their own market. American cars are rarely seen in Europe because they have always faced a 10 per cent tariff; its agricultural market is closed to American exports; the EU harasses the US’s tech giants with spurious fines and cumbersome regulations; and countries such as Ireland use blatantly unfair tax deals to lure away American manufacturing.

It can hardly complain if the US has grown tired of an abusive relationship. Even worse, the EU has always treated trade negotiations as a trial of strength, ignoring the argument that a free and open economy would benefit both sides. We saw that very clearly in its high-handed approach to the Brexit negotiations. Might, its officials loftily assumed, was always right. It can hardly complain now that the Trump administration is deploying the same argument against it.

The US needs Chinese goods to fill the shelves at Walmart. And it can’t cut itself off from global trade. But it will get along just fine without buying so much from the EU. In California and Florida they can drive a Land Rover, a Lexus, or even one of the super-slick new Xiaomi electric cars instead of a BMW or a Porsche. Australian and Argentinian wine is as good as French, and Burberry is just as stylish as Prada. The EU has fallen to the back of Trump’s queue, and deservedly so – the damage that is about to befall its major exporting industries is entirely down to its own institutional arrogance.

1andrew1 13-05-2025 23:09
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36196527)
A wonderful piece in the Torygraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...llying-brexit/
Lots of speculation. Fewer facts.

Trump needs to be punished for making us all poorer. But I doubt the EU will do that. They will sign a deal with the US too.

Hugh 13-05-2025 23:31
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https://archive.ph/QcZct Non-paywall version

High on diatribe, low on facts - for instance

Quote:
American cars are rarely seen in Europe because they have always faced a 10 per cent tariff;
They’re rarely seen in Europe because they are too big, too uneconomical, and often don’t meet European (or U.K.) pollution or safety standards…

OLD BOY 13-05-2025 23:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36196528)
Lots of speculation. Fewer facts.

Trump needs to be punished for making us all poorer. But I doubt the EU will do that. They will sign a deal with the US too.
And what do you think will happen if you punish Trump?

1andrew1 14-05-2025 09:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36196530)
And what do you think will happen if you punish Trump?
More toys on the floor and fewer in his pram! ;)

Pierre 14-05-2025 10:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36196529)
https://archive.ph/QcZct
They’re rarely seen in Europe because they are too big, too uneconomical, and often don’t meet European (or U.K.) pollution or safety standards…
It's not the 70's anymore, US cars are normal size. US Pollution standards are comparable if not even tighter when you get to some states.


I see lots of Teslas around, We have a Ford Mustang. I know the Cyber Truck doesn't currently meet safety standards.

You would think you would see more of them on the continent, especially as they're left hand drive. So I think there is more to it.

Sephiroth 14-05-2025 10:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36196529)
https://archive.ph/QcZct Non-paywall version

High on diatribe, low on facts - for instance



They’re rarely seen in Europe because they are too big, too uneconomical, and often don’t meet European (or U.K.) pollution or safety standards…


Tesla abounds. Jeep is popular - round my way at least. I see an increasing number of Chryslers.

You might find it odd that I should say the following: The lesser immigration evil is to employ German/Dutch etc skilled people displaced by the industrial decline currently taking place in Europe.

Hugh 14-05-2025 10:37
Re: President Trump 2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36196536)
It's not the 70's anymore, US cars are normal size. US Pollution standards are comparable if not even tighter when you get to some states.


I see lots of Teslas around, We have a Ford Mustang. I know the Cyber Truck doesn't currently meet safety standards.

You would think you would see more of them on the continent, especially as they're left hand drive. So I think there is more to it.
I was meaning more like the F150s and their ilk - they even have a different/ smaller version of the Ford Explorer for Europe.

This link explains the different safety standards in the US and Europe.

European Teslas are built in Berlin and China, and the European and U.K. Mustangs are a different spec to the US version.

https://etsc.eu/briefing-on-risks-to...as-equivalent/

Sephiroth 14-05-2025 10:49
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Hughh cannot worm his way out of the non-factual statement he made about US cars in support of his “high on diatribe” remark.

Chris 14-05-2025 11:41
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36196536)
It's not the 70's anymore, US cars are normal size. US Pollution standards are comparable if not even tighter when you get to some states.


I see lots of Teslas around, We have a Ford Mustang. I know the Cyber Truck doesn't currently meet safety standards.

You would think you would see more of them on the continent, especially as they're left hand drive. So I think there is more to it.
UK and EU vehicle safety standards are essentially the same. Cybertruck is not road legal in the EU for the same set of reasons as it is not road legal here.

Itshim 14-05-2025 12:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36196541)
UK and EU vehicle safety standards are essentially the same. Cybertruck is not road legal in the EU for the same set of reasons as it is not road legal here.
Such a pity would love one:)

Hugh 14-05-2025 14:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36196540)
Hughh cannot worm his way out of the non-factual statement he made about US cars in support of his “high on diatribe” remark.
But they’re not US cars as sold in the USA, they are Europeanised versions - the US versions aren’t popular here.

Itshim 14-05-2025 14:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36196544)
But they’re not US cars as sold in the USA, they are Europeanised versions - the US versions aren’t popular here.
European cars are generally not the spec sold on the main land

Sephiroth 14-05-2025 14:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36196544)
But they’re not US cars as sold in the USA, they are Europeanised versions - the US versions aren’t popular here.
The US versions are LHD for a start! No - you were worming your way out of a mistaken remark..

There is no marketing for US cars here either.

Chris 14-05-2025 15:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36196546)
The US versions are LHD for a start! No - you were worming your way out of a mistaken remark..

There is no marketing for US cars here either.
Yeah, the issue was all about which side the steering wheel is on :rolleyes:

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Paul 14-05-2025 15:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36196547)
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Deliberately argumentative, as usual. :sleep:

Damien 14-05-2025 15:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36196547)
Yeah, the issue was all about which side the steering wheel is on :rolleyes:

Are you being deliberately obtuse?
They're also priced in dollars and have American license plates!

Maggy 14-05-2025 20:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36196548)
Deliberately argumentative, as usual. :sleep:
:tu::tu::tu:

Itshim 15-05-2025 14:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36196546)
The US versions are LHD for a start! No - you were worming your way out of a mistaken remark..

There is no marketing for US cars here either.
Eu car ads state usually not to UK spec , is that really all about the steering wheel. It's a bad as labelling coffee as hot or bag of peanuts contain nuts , which they dont:rolleyes:

1andrew1 19-05-2025 13:25
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Ford and Tesla are big-selling US car brands in Europe so I'm not sure what Trump's complaining about. It's their choice where they choose to manufacture those vehicles and I know Tesla has chosen Germany, the US and China.

Until the US owners sold out to what is now Stellantis, Europe did have a good presence from Chrysler Europe and GM Vauxhall-Opel. No one forced those two US companies to divest their European operations.

Chris 19-05-2025 15:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36196805)
Ford and Tesla are big-selling US car brands in Europe so I'm not sure what Trump's complaining about. It's their choice where they choose to manufacture those vehicles and I know Tesla has chosen Germany, the US and China.

Until the US owners sold out to what is now Stellantis, Europe did have a good presence from Chrysler Europe and GM Vauxhall-Opel. No one forced those two US companies to divest their European operations.
Trump is talking to his redneck MAGA base. Facts are besides the point; he and his dim-bulb cabinet will say whatever they need to say to maintain outrage at sufficient levels for them to continue getting away with their shambling incompetence.

1andrew1 20-05-2025 11:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36196812)
Trump is talking to his redneck MAGA base. Facts are besides the point; he and his dim-bulb cabinet will say whatever they need to say to maintain outrage at sufficient levels for them to continue getting away with their shambling incompetence.
Judging by your careful choices of descriptive words in that sentence, I suspect you enjoyed some of your tabloid days. :angel:

Chris 20-05-2025 11:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
‘Dim bulb’ is an Americanism I came across relatively recently, but ‘shambling incompetence’ is indeed an old stalwart I like to dust down and send into action from time to time. :D

1andrew1 27-05-2025 20:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Russian troll farms may be turning on Trump
Quote:
Russia brands Donald Trump a 'clown' suffering from 'dementia' in brutal attack

Kremlin bots have started ruthlessly attacking Donald Trump, claiming he is a "clown" who suffers from "dementia".

A sudden shift came after the US president accused Vladimir Putin of having gone "absolutely CRAZY!"

Officially, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov claimed that Trump was suffering from an "emotional overload".

Lately, sensing Trump's support for Putin over Ukraine, comments have been restrained or positive.

But after the "crazy" tirade, Putin propaganda bots - automated or semi-automated online accounts massively used to disseminate Russian government or intelligence service narratives backing the dictator - went into overdrive, according to monitoring outlet Botnadzor.

"It's not Putin who's gone crazy, but Trump, apparently, this is hereditary for all US presidents, a chair and dementia as a gift," claimed one troll.

The Kremlin bot warriors accused him of suffering "seasonal bipolar disorder", and asked if he is "blind or what?"
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...781e53c0&ei=22

Hugh 29-05-2025 09:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2de...b8b963efa#post

Quote:
A US federal court has blocked President Donald Trump's sweeping tariffs, in a major blow to a key part of his economic plan.

How it happened: The Court of International Trade ruled that an emergency law invoked by the White House does not give the president unilateral authority to impose tariffs on nearly every country.

The Manhattan-based court said the US Constitution gives Congress exclusive powers to regulate commerce with other nations and this is not superseded by the president's remit to safeguard the economy.

The court also blocked a separate set of levies the Trump administration imposed on China, Mexico and Canada, which were in response to what the White House said was the unacceptable flow of drugs and illegal immigrants into the US.

What's not included: Steel and aluminium tariffs are not affected, as they fall under a different law.

How the White House reacted: "It is not for unelected judges to decide how to properly address a national emergency," the White House said as it launched an appeal against the ruling.

What next? The ruling gave the White House 10 days to complete the bureaucratic process of halting the tariffs, although most are currently suspended anyway.

The immediate implications of the court's ruling are unclear. The case needs to go through the appeals process - a higher court might be more Trump-friendly…

… Here is what we know so far about the ruling on the tariffs.

The US Court of International Trade says Trump overstepped his authority - using a 1977 federal economic emergency law.

However, the law does not specify tariffs as a tool available to the president to protect the United States from economic threats.

Trump invoked its powers anyway, saying drastic action was needed.

The court agreed with a group of businesses and a coalition of state officials who had filed two separate lawsuits. The court ruled the law “does not authorise” the president to use the emergency powers law to issue tariffs.

The decisions can be appealed to the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington DC, and ultimately the US Supreme Court. The White House swiftly filed a notice of appeal.
Update - before anyone brings up the myth of "Liberal Activist Judges", the bench consists of three Judges, appointed by Reagan, Obama, and Trump…

Mr K 29-05-2025 13:31
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All these cases end up at the Supreme Court who are in Trump's pocket anyway. Any other courts are irrelevant. Corruption always wins in the US of 2025.

TheDaddy 29-05-2025 14:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36197287)
All these cases end up at the Supreme Court who are in Trump's pocket anyway. Any other courts are irrelevant. Corruption always wins in the US of 2025.
The Supreme court ruled 9-0 against him just last month, that's an emphatic rejection of both him and what you've claimed, even thomas and alto told him to shove it. Can't say I'm surprised by Hugh's post though, if you elect a criminal you should expect them to have no respect for the law

Hugh 29-05-2025 21:54
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://wapo.st/4jrY1QG

Quote:
President Donald Trump’s tariffs can continue for now, after an appeals court granted the administration’ request to temporarily stay a lower court’s order.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit said Thursday afternoon that it would temporarily pause the effects of a decision from the Court of International Trade, which ruled Wednesday that most of Trump’s tariffs were illegal and must be halted.

Paul 29-05-2025 22:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
USA = DCA, Disunited Clowns of America. :dunce:

1andrew1 29-05-2025 23:23
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
TACO=Trump Always Chickens Out

Coined from him continuously bottling it on tariffs.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/us-p...-b1230230.html

1andrew1 30-05-2025 09:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
After being the G7's fastest-growing economy under Sleepy, the economy is declining under Taco Trump.

Quote:
US economy shrank at 0.2% rate in first quarter

Revised GDP figures confirm first contraction since 2022 and show slowdown in consumer spending growth
https://www.ft.com/content/6624600c-...8-b341a23ef797

Chris 30-05-2025 09:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
If you fancy a chuckle it’s worth browsing Xitter for Taco Trump memes. AI is fun :D

Russ 31-05-2025 07:52
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Irony Inc.

Hugh 01-06-2025 20:53
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From the 25th April

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36195399)
Good news - we will find out about the 200 Trade Deals Trump has done by the 23rd of May 2025…

https://time.com/7280114/donald-trum...ew-transcript/

Quote:
Your trade adviser, Peter Navarro, says 90 deals in 90 days is possible. We're now 13 days into the point from when you lifted the reciprocal, the discounted reciprocal tariffs. There's zero deals so far. Why is that?

No, there’s many deals.

When are they going to be announced?

You have to understand, I'm dealing with all the companies, very friendly countries. We're meeting with China. We're doing fine with everybody. But ultimately, I've made all the deals.

Not one has been announced yet. When are you going to announce them?

I’ve made 200 deals.

You’ve made 200 deals?

100%.
Quote:
I’m just curious, why don’t you announce these deals that you’ve solidified?

I would say, over the next three to four weeks, and we're finished, by the way.

You’re finished?

We’ll be finished.

Oh, you will be finished in three to four weeks.

I’ll be finished.
I’ve been on some quite strong pain-killers for the last three weeks, following my knee replacement operation - did I miss the 200 trade deals being announced?

Paul 01-06-2025 22:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Nope, you didnt, they were never announced, and most likely never existed.

Chris 01-06-2025 23:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
But he did shart some more steel tariffs last week, so whatever trade deals were on the table (like the UK one for example) are entirely questionable.

Pierre 02-06-2025 12:49
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36197309)
TACO=Trump Always Chickens Out

Coined from him continuously bottling it on tariffs.
Is that not called negotiation?

Paul 02-06-2025 15:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump dos not appear to negotiate anything.
He thinks of a number, doubles it, and says that will be his random tariff.
Later he changes his mind, and "delays" it, making up an excuse for do so.

Itshim 02-06-2025 17:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36197505)
Trump dos not appear to negotiate anything.
He thinks of a number, doubles it, and says that will be his random tariff.
Later he changes his mind, and "delays" it, making up an excuse for do so.
However he has got Europe etc to start to thinking about defending it self. Looking forward to seeing Sir keir building the submarines , or did he mean he would get someone else to do it.:D

papa smurf 02-06-2025 17:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36197509)
However he has got Europe etc to start to thinking about defending it self. Looking forward to seeing Sir keir building the submarines , or did he mean he would get someone else to do it.:D
he's having a long think about it and it might happen sometime in the future if there is any money to pay for it

Paul 02-06-2025 17:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36197509)
However he has got Europe etc to start to thinking about defending itself.
Well I dont think thats a bad thing, we should be prepared to defend ourselves.
I dont think it has much to do with tariffs or negotiations though.

1andrew1 02-06-2025 19:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36197484)
Is that not called negotiation?
It's called many things but negotiation isn't one of them.


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