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Hugh	08-03-2024 07:48

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Not so much a sinking ship, more like an involuntary submarine…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68509239

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Former prime minister Theresa May has said she will be standing down as an MP at the next election.

In a statement, she said she had taken the "difficult decision" to vacate her Maidenhead seat after 27 years.

Championing causes close to her heart such as human trafficking and modern slavery had been taking an "increasing amount of her time", she added.

Mrs May, prime minister from 2016 to 2019, said it had been an "honour and a privilege" to serve her constituents.

She is the latest in a long line of Tory MPs who have announced their decision to leave the Commons, including former ministers Dominic Raab, Chris Grayling, Ben Wallace, Sajid Javid and George Eustice.

That makes it 59 Conservative MPs standing down (so far).

Mr K	08-03-2024 08:15

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171669)

Not so much a sinking ship, more like an involuntary submarine…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68509239

That makes it 59 Conservative MPs standing down (so far).

There might be a few hundred 'standing down', whether they like it or not.

1andrew1

08-03-2024 08:56

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More mess for Starmer to inherit. Wonder why we've got a weak Pound?

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UK has no 'credible' plan to fund military equipment as multibillion-pound deficit revealed

The committee accused the Ministry of Defence of putting off painful decisions about what equipment programmes would have to be cancelled for the plan to be affordable.

The UK has no "credible" plan to buy all the weapons it needs after a huge jump in the cost of the nuclear deterrent helped to create a record funding gap, a group of MPs has warned.

Inflation and a weak pound also contributed to the hole of at least £16.9bn in a rolling, 10-year plan to get equipment for the Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force, the Public Accounts Committee said in a scathing report.

The actual deficit is likely to be closer to £30bn if all the capabilities required by the Army - rather than only those it can afford - are included in the costs, the MPs said on Friday.

The committee accused the Ministry of Defence (MoD) of putting off painful decisions about what equipment programmes would have to be cancelled for the plan to be affordable.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-has-no...eport-13089653

Russ	09-03-2024 18:22

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Anyone else notice these Reform party gatherings all seem to look like support groups for divorced men whose wives got the house?

1andrew1

09-03-2024 18:38

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36171775)

Anyone else notice these Reform party gatherings all seem to look like support groups for divorced men whose wives got the house?

:D:D:D

denphone

11-03-2024 10:52

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30p Lee Anderson defects to the Reform party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68532602

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Mr Anderson was suspended from the Conservative Party after refusing to apologise for claims Islamists had "control" of London Mayor Sadiq Khan.

The defection ends weeks of speculation about the Ashfield MP and TV presenter's future.

Hugh	11-03-2024 11:04

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Outstanding "The Matrix" reference…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1710155023

Sephiroth

11-03-2024 11:14

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Before the 'rat leaves the sinking ship' mob chime in with their half-nonsense, 'sinking ship' = Yes; 'rat' = NO.

Anderson could have expressed himself better, but at least his eyes are open.

mrmistoffelees

11-03-2024 11:43

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171839)

Before the 'rat leaves the sinking ship' mob chime in with their half-nonsense, 'sinking ship' = Yes; 'rat' = NO.

Anderson could have expressed himself better, but at least his eyes are open.

So riddle me this then if his eyes are open and there’s such a threat to society why has counter extremism spending been cut in half ?

Btw watched the gentlemen on Netflix this weekend made me passingly think of it might be an option for you ?

denphone

11-03-2024 11:47

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171839)

Before the 'rat leaves the sinking ship' mob chime in with their half-nonsense, 'sinking ship' = Yes; 'rat' = NO.

Anderson could have expressed himself better, but at least his eyes are open.

Belonging to three political parties in 6 years suggest he is a attention seeker and has not got any strong political convictions at all.

Sephiroth

11-03-2024 11:54

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171840)

So riddle me this then if his eyes are open and there’s such a threat to society why has counter extremism spending been cut in half ?

<SNIP>

Because the government are fools. As you know, they're slashing everything to pay for the ridiculous 2% NI cut.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36171841)

Belonging to three political parties in 6 years suggest he is a attention seeker and has not got any strong political convictions at all.

Whether or not that is true, Anderson certainly says the right things (if not in the wrong way) on the menace facing us. A pity that he had to defect.

jfman

11-03-2024 12:23

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What’s ridiculous about the 2% NI cut?

It’s the very essence of Tory ideology, shrink the state, shrink tax revenues, rinse, repeat?

You did check what you were voting for all these years?

Sephiroth

11-03-2024 12:31

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36171844)

What’s ridiculous about the 2% NI cut?

It’s the very essence of Tory ideology, shrink the state, shrink tax revenues, rinse, repeat?

You did check what you were voting for all these years?

I always checked that I was voting for John Redwood.

Pierre

11-03-2024 12:33

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36171844)

You did check what you were voting for all these years?

The country voted Labour in '97 and got a Tory government.

They voted Tory in 2010 but got a Labour government, they voted Tory ever since but keep getting Labour.

No doubt they'll vote Labour this time and the Tories will get in.

Hugh	11-03-2024 12:44

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h/t @MarkKieranUK

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💥 Lee Anderson defects from the Conservatives to Reform, a move that has the rare effect of boosting the average IQ of both parties.

Damien

11-03-2024 13:37

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You can sum Lee Anderson up by the fact that in his speech he boasted that he doesn't know many long words.

Not a fan of Sunak but the enemies he manages to collection (Anderson, Truss) speak to some positives for him.

Hugh	11-03-2024 13:45

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36171849)

Except for the fact he appointed Anderson as the Deputy Chairman of the Party…

TheDaddy

11-03-2024 14:53

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36171846)

What gibberish, when Labour left power the NHS had record public approval ratings, look at it now, look at all the public services now and then, those two parties aren't the same and if you were going to make a comparison it might have been better to say vote Conservative in 2010 get UKIP or vote Conservative get a weird chumocracy where they get rich and everyone else suffers

1andrew1

11-03-2024 23:06

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Interesting development

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Boris Johnson is expected to campaign for the Conservatives in red wall seats before the general election after a thawing in relations with Rishi Sunak.

The former prime minister is likely be deployed in the north of England and the Midlands as the Tories seek to win back the voters who helped Johnson to an 80-seat majority in 2019.

Johnson accused Sunak of betrayal after he was forced out of Downing Street in 2022 and the two men fell out further last year over Johnson’s resignation honours list.

However, relations have improved significantly since then after talks between Johnson’s team and No 10. Last month Sunak and Johnson issued a joint statement on the anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Johnson allies and senior government sources confirmed that the former prime minister was expected to play a significant role in the general election campaign.

They said he was likely to visit marginal constituencies, make speeches and appear on leaflets. “If there is a way he can help that is right for him and for the party he will,” a source familiar with Johnson’s thinking said.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...erer-jbf30vh08

Hugh	12-03-2024 08:21

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Sums up Johnson in one phrase.

"right for him"…

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Tom Jamieson
@jamiesont

Send the man who lied to Red Wall voters about how getting Brexit done would benefit their towns then partied through lockdown whilst their Gran was dying alone in a care home. See zero flaws with this strategy whatsoever.

https://x.com/jamiesont/status/17674...Fx9lsEXWlOa1jg

ianch99

12-03-2024 12:51

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Rishi has his work cut out at the moment. He now has to deal with a racist top Tory donor's remarks about Dianne Abbot, claiming she "should be shot". Not very good optics ..

1andrew1

12-03-2024 14:19

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171908)

Rishi has his work cut out at the moment. He now has to deal with a racist top Tory donor's remarks about Dianne Abbot, claiming she "should be shot". Not very good optics ..

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"It’s like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV and you’re just like, I hate, you just want to hate all black women because she’s there, and I don’t hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot." Frank Hester OBE

Was Frank one of the extremists that Gove is talking of banning?

Paul	12-03-2024 15:23

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This was [allegedly] in 2019, strange how its taken over 4 years for anyone to care.

Hugh	12-03-2024 16:02

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36171917)

This was [allegedly] in 2019, strange how its taken over 4 years for anyone to care.

It’s a result of the Guardian recently investigating (over a number of months) the biggest ever donor (of £10 million over the last year) to the Conservative Party, who had received £400 million of Government contracts since 2016.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ll-black-women

TheDaddy

12-03-2024 16:49

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171921)

Best 10 million quid he ever spent, this is getting farcical now, think it needs legislating against

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 16:56

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I doubt it'll ever stop.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/red-...nors-1.1085500

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LONDON LETTER/Rachel Donnelly: Awkward questions are again being asked about Labour's big money donors. The suspicion, which began in the early days of the Blair government with the Formula One affair, that industry figures waive their chequebooks and eventually secure special treatment has been revived.

Not only did the scene of Labour's first scandal come back to haunt them this week with fresh claims about Number 10's involvement with the Formula One boss in 1997 but the question of state funding for political parties is back on the political agenda.

Mr Blair is reportedly unconvinced of the argument for state funding. But on Monday two of his most senior colleagues, the Deputy Prime Minister, Mr John Prescott, and the Home Secretary, Mr David Blunkett, gave state funding their support after what some commentators described as Labour's "damaging entanglement" with several business donors over the past few months.

The charge at Labour's door - that government contracts and favourable treatment for big business follows on from donations to the Labour Party - returned at the weekend after it was revealed that drugs company, Powderject, had won a contract to supply the NHS with 20 million smallpox vaccines following a £500,000 donation to Labour from Powderject's boss, Mr Paul Drayson.

ianch99

12-03-2024 17:21

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171924)

I doubt it'll ever stop.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/red-...nors-1.1085500

Only went back 22 years to find this :) It is not that both sides have some dodgy donors, it is the amount of them on the Tory side. Let's be honest that is how the Tory funding model works. It is not just money, it is power & influence. Look at the PPE corruption scandal, they did it in plain sight with no real comeback (as yet).

mrmistoffelees

12-03-2024 19:04

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171924)

I doubt it'll ever stop.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/red-...nors-1.1085500

Your attempt at justification rather than condemnation speaks volumes about you as a person.

Had a Muslim/islamic donor made those comments about your beloved John Redwood you would be screaming from the rooftops about extremism

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 19:11

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171941)

Thanks for the personal attack. I was only providing balance.

Russ	12-03-2024 19:14

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171942)

Thanks for the personal attack. I was only providing balance.

Comparing something that occurred a quarter of a century ago to things that persistently happened over the past 4 years is hardly “balance”.

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 19:22

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36171943)

Comparing something that occurred a quarter of a century ago to things that persistently happened over the past 4 years is hardly “balance”.

It is when Labour was the previous government. As I said in my post:,

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I doubt it'll ever stop

mrmistoffelees

12-03-2024 19:24

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171942)

Thanks for the personal attack. I was only providing balance.

Statement of fact not a personal attack, tell me I’m wrong ?

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 19:30

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171945)

Statement of fact not a personal attack, tell me I’m wrong ?

Obviously wrong and obviously nasty.

mrmistoffelees

12-03-2024 19:33

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171946)

Obviously wrong and obviously nasty.

So why not state that ? Rather than your first attempt being justification ?

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 19:41

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171948)

So why not state that ? Rather than your first attempt being justification ?

Instead of nitpicking, you should recognise the point I'm making. Both parties reward their benefactors. Always have done, always will do.

Russ	12-03-2024 19:44

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171944)

It is when Labour was the previous government. As I said in my post:,

Let’s have another go.

How many of the Labour government you speak of are still in frontline politics?

How many of the **** party from 4 years ago are still in frontline politics?

Once you’ve compared the numbers *then* you’ll understand how that was a very poor analogy.

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 19:51

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36171950)

It's an institutional fact of politics. Everywhere.

Russ	12-03-2024 19:56

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171951)

It's an institutional fact of politics. Everywhere.

Ok, let’s see you back up your suggestion of Labour corruption with verifiable and established evidence.

Please don’t ask me to do the same of the **** party. It would be painfully embarrassing for their fans.

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 20:02

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36171952)

I've already provided the info regarding the Blair government period.

You know as well as I what politics and politicians are like with regard to patronage.

Hugh	12-03-2024 20:08

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171953)

I've already provided the info regarding the Blair government period.

You know as well as I what politics and politicians are like with regard to patronage.

Here we go again, with the old "everyone knows" Alleged Certainty fallacy…

:rolleyes:

Russ	12-03-2024 20:12

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171953)

I've already provided the info regarding the Blair government period.

Yes you have, and I dismissed it by reminding you that none of his government/cabinet are in frontline politics anymore.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171953)

You know as well as I what politics and politicians are like with regard to patronage.

Yeah you’d do pretty well to not to assume what you *think* you know about me.

So going back to my mini-challenge - no, you can’t supply any verifiable evidence of of government corruption by this Labour Party.

One of the many many differences between you and I is I tend to prefer to wait until someone has actually done something before I condemn them that way.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171954)

Here we go again, with the old "everyone knows" Alleged Certainty fallacy…

:rolleyes:

Come on Hugh that’s not fair.

How else are they to get their point across?

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 20:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171954)

Here we go again, with the old "everyone knows" Alleged Certainty fallacy…

:rolleyes:

Some things are well known - such as what I've pointed out. Maybe certain Labour supporters are blind to anything being wrong with their darling party. The proof of that lies in the recent posts.

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36171955)

Yes you have, and I dismissed it by reminding you that none of his government/cabinet are in frontline politics anymore.

Yeah you’d do pretty well to not to assume what you *think* you know about me.

So going back to my mini-challenge - no, you can’t supply any verifiable evidence of of government corruption by this Labour Party.

One of the many many differences between you and I is I tend to prefer to wait until someone has actually done something before I condemn them that way.

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Come on Hugh that’s not fair.

How else are they to get their point across?

You condemn anyone who is of a Tory disposition.

And you have quite a rabble behind you.

Russ	12-03-2024 20:34

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171957)

You condemn anyone who is of a Tory disposition.

No I don't. I just can't stand any **** MP who has held a cabinet position in the past 14 years as well as any of their colleagues who defend the behaviour.

I actually know a **** party MP, I use to work with her in radio 25 years ago. We never discuss politics and at least she had the grace to step down from her position after bullshitting Boris' bullshitting became too much to bear.

I can at least respect her for that.

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 20:42

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Your **** reference is all we need to know.

Russ	12-03-2024 20:55

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Cool, I’m glad the message is getting across.

After what they did to this country in 14 years (and particularly during the previous 4) I’m happy to keep calling them the **** party.

mrmistoffelees

12-03-2024 20:56

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171949)

Instead of nitpicking, you should recognise the point I'm making. Both parties reward their benefactors. Always have done, always will do.

Should I ? Says who ? I’m not going to take direction nor instruction from a smart price wannabe Enoch Powell

Hugh	12-03-2024 21:01

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171957)

One fallacy followed by another (Ad Hominem attack) - it’s almost as if you can’t refute counter propositions with actual facts or evidence…

Update

Well, both Sunak and Badenoch have said the donor’s comments were racist…

Sephiroth

12-03-2024 22:54

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171965)

<SNIP>

Well, both Sunak and Badenoch have said the donor’s comments were racist…

Of course the remarks were racist.

The man just said too much.

jfman

13-03-2024 18:01

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Suspect if Rishi handed back all the money from racists the party wouldn’t have much left in the coffers.

Itshim

13-03-2024 20:56

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36171988)

Suspect if Rishi handed back all the money from racists the party wouldn’t have much left in the coffers.

Check out money given to the possible next Welsh labour leader, the payment made to him reported widely . ( born guessing) :rolleyes:

Damien

14-03-2024 08:38

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36171988)

Suspect if Rishi handed back all the money from racists the party wouldn’t have much left in the coffers.

This probably is the reason. £10 million is a lot for UK politics and they might not have the liquid funds to return it so easily.

Hugh	14-03-2024 13:05

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https://news.sky.com/story/the-mood-...worse-13094133

Regarding the timing of a General Election this year

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One Tory minister said that one justification for going later would be for younger MP colleagues, who have built up debt, to earn a few more months salary over the summer.

jfman

14-03-2024 15:01

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It's pathetic that is the logic being applied by people supposedly running the country.

1andrew1

14-03-2024 16:00

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Every day is Poets' Day for MPs under Sunak!

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MPs clock off early as length of Commons work day hits record low

Rishi Sunak accused of presiding over a ‘zombie parliament’

The working day for MPs in the House of Commons chamber has been shorter on average this parliamentary session than in any other in the past quarter century, according to a Financial Times analysis.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has been accused of presiding over a “zombie parliament”, with opposition parties arguing the relative shortness of the average parliamentary day shows an administration running “out of steam”.

The average duration of a Commons sitting day in the current parliamentary session, which began in November, has been 7 hours and 9 minutes, a record low since New Labour came to power in 1997, the FT found.

“There’s very little going on day to day,” conceded one Conservative minister. A Labour insider argued some prime debating slots in the chamber were being dedicated to “niche” issues to fill time.

On Tuesday last week the Commons adjourned at 3.53pm, while on one Monday earlier this month almost five hours were dedicated to an unfocused “general debate on farming”, critics pointed out.

The FT analysis used parliamentary data going back 27 years — the data is available online — as well as Commons Library research.

Between 1997 and 2023 the average was 7 hours and 58 minutes — or 49 minutes longer than in the current session, the analysis showed. The peak was 9 hours and 15 minutes in the 1998-99 session of Tony Blair’s first administration.

https://www.ft.com/content/fef202b8-...6-cbb6db52f0f0

1andrew1

15-03-2024 11:45

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36172011)

This probably is the reason. £10 million is a lot for UK politics and they might not have the liquid funds to return it so easily.

Looks like they've received an additional £5m from Hester recently.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2512748.html

Chris

15-03-2024 13:48

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They will have calculated that the damage caused to their reputation by retaining the money will be less than the damage caused to their election campaign plans by being £10m short. They aren’t going to give it back. Simple as.

jfman

15-03-2024 13:51

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The benefits of your polling being in the toilet anyway!

Hugh	15-03-2024 14:20

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I would imagine there’s likely to be a Lord Hester of Horsforth (or Armley, where he was born) in the Dissolution Honours List later this year…

Mr K	15-03-2024 15:45

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36172076)

What a waste, 10 million quids worth of leaflets on a lost cause... ( unless the cause is an Honour as Hugh mentioned...) Still pricy, even for that.

Better than giving it back they could donate to a few worthwhile charities. A retirement bordello for ex Tory MPs maybe?

Hugh	15-03-2024 16:12

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36172084)

It already exists - it's on the other side of the Central Hall in the House of Commons...

ianch99

15-03-2024 19:48

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Given the voter base remaining to them, maybe they see messaging like "Sponsored By Racists" as a net positive?

Hugh	15-03-2024 19:50

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I think the Reform Party have first dibs on that…

ianch99

17-03-2024 11:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36172096)

I think the Reform Party have first dibs on that…

To be fair, they are now two sides of the same coin.

Hugh	17-03-2024 11:28

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From the Sunday Times…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1710674902

Dave42

18-03-2024 09:46

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Tories face Blue Wall collapse

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/our-...wall-collapse/

denphone

18-03-2024 09:51

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36172187)

Tories face Blue Wall collapse

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/our-...wall-collapse/

What else can they expect when the have veered totally away from the centre ground of British politics, elections are not won by parties on the extremes of British politics.

Dave42

18-03-2024 10:12

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36172188)

What else can they expect when the have veered totally away from the centre ground of British politics, elections are not won by parties on the extremes of British politics.

exactly Den

Pierre

18-03-2024 12:44

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36172188)

What else can they expect when the have veered totally away from the centre ground of British politics, elections are not won by parties on the extremes of British politics.

That's correct, they've gone way too far to the left, to be even considered Conservative.

TheDaddy

18-03-2024 13:05

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36172198)

That's correct, they've gone way too far to the left, to be even considered Conservative.

You keep saying this stuff as if to say if only they'd been more right wing this mess would never have happened but the fact is, for me at any rate, it would because for the last few years they've not given a toss about being conservative or liberal, they've only been concerned about the chumocracy where they and their fans do very nicely and everyone else pays for them, a third world junta could learn from this rabble, it's a party of *******s and enablers that hopefully will never recover from what they've done but you cling to your mantra if it helps you through, keep gripping it

Damien

18-03-2024 13:09

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They're losing because they've screwed up.

I don't Britain is that ideological, maybe small-c conservative, and as long as you're somewhat on planet Earth then it's about your competence and what you'll do for them. It's not like the United States where people divide massively on some social issues like abortion or marriage. Even the role of the Government to provide services isn't really contested.

The Tories have screwed up the economy and the NHS.

Dave42

18-03-2024 13:11

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36172200)

They're losing because they've screwed up.

I don't Britain is that ideological, maybe small-c conservative, and as long as you're somewhat on planet Earth then it's about your competence and what you'll do for them. It's not like the United States where people divide massively on some social issues like abortion or marriage. Even the role of the Government to provide services isn't really contested.

The Tories have screwed up the economy and the NHS. That's why they'll lose.

you missed out all the corruption too Damien

Paul	18-03-2024 15:50

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All governments suffer from corruption.
Their screw-ups is what has undone them, just too many.

They (everyone) knows they are going to lose, so they're now just hanging on.
The thought of Labour in charge does not exactly fill me with hope of anything better.

Still, at least its not Corbyn in charge of them now.
Pretty sure he was one reason so many people turned away from them last time.

Pierre

18-03-2024 16:12

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36172199)

You keep saying this stuff as if to say if only they'd been more right wing this mess would never have happened but the fact is, for me at any rate, it would because for the last few years they've not given a toss about being conservative or liberal, they've only been concerned about the chumocracy where they and their fans do very nicely and everyone else pays for them, a third world junta could learn from this rabble, it's a party of *******s and enablers that hopefully will never recover from what they've done but you cling to your mantra if it helps you through, keep gripping it

Thanks for repeating my point back to me and agreeing with it.

TheDaddy

18-03-2024 17:48

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36172211)

Thanks for repeating my point back to me and agreeing with it.

I didn't think I was, I thought you were whining about them being to liberal and not conservative enough in this thread and others, I was pointing out that them going left wasn't the problem, them looting the country for their and cronies benefit was, happy to clarify things for you and just so there's no doubt, them being to left wing isn't the problem, them being *******s is

Mr K	18-03-2024 18:27

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LAB: 47% (+5)
CON: 21% (-3)
REF: 14% (-)
LDEM: 8% (-4)
GRN: 6% (+1)

via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Mar

The Tory vote is in meltdown. Who are the 1 in 5 left ? Do they need medical help ? ;)

Russ	18-03-2024 20:00

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36172220)

The Tory vote is in meltdown. Who are the 1 in 5 left ? Do they need medical help ? ;)

Undoubtedly, but given the Tory-created waiting lists it’ll be 2049 before they get to see someone about it.

1andrew1

18-03-2024 20:11

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36172220)

The Tory vote is in meltdown. Who are the 1 in 5 left ? Do they need medical help ? ;)

In fairness, it seems to be the LibDems in meltdown there, losing a third of their vote v the Conservatives losing about 13% of theirs.

Dave42

18-03-2024 21:33

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36172205)

All governments suffer from corruption.
Their screw-ups is what has undone them, just too many.

They (everyone) knows they are going to lose, so they're now just hanging on.
The thought of Labour in charge does not exactly fill me with hope of anything better.

Still, at least its not Corbyn in charge of them now.
Pretty sure he was one reason so many people turned away from them last time.

thank heavens for that and i would say Corbyn was the reason the tories got the 80 seat majority

1andrew1

18-03-2024 21:51

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36172229)

thank heavens for that and i would say Corbyn was the reason the tories got the 80 seat majority

Yup, post-polling interviews support this. Not so much a pro-Johnson vote but more an anti-Corbyn one.

Hugh	27-03-2024 20:31

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Irony jumps the track, careens wildly down the embankment, smashes through a circus, bulldozes a mink farm, and plows into the river, where it bursts into flame, then rolls over and explodes, raining down smoking clown shrapnel and flaming weasels over a terrified countryside*

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2519635.html

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Boris Johnson’s former ethics adviser has apologised for breaching House of Lords rules by helping a US satellite company influence Ministry of Defence (MoD) officials.

The Lords Commissioner for Standards found Lord Geidt, the late Queen’s former private secretary, broke the rules by giving some introductory remarks at a meeting in May 2021 between MoD officials and Theia Group Inc, which at the time employed him as an adviser.

Theia Group had put forward a proposal to enhance the UK’s space capabilities, and Lord Geidt told the commissioner his role had been to ensure the company’s contacts with the Government “were conducted properly”.

He also stressed that his role with Theia Group had been secured due to his prior experience and not due to his membership of the Lords.

But the commissioner found that his actions had contravened a prohibition on peers providing “parliamentary services” in return for payment, saying his attendance at the meeting counted as “assisting an outside organisation in influencing officials”.

Lord Geidt, who served as Boris Johnson’s ethics adviser between April 2021 and June 2022, had appealed against the commissioner’s findings, but his appeal was dismissed by the Lords Conduct Committee in a report published on Wednesday.

*h/t @Stonekettle

Mr K	28-03-2024 19:59

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ies-knighthood

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A businessman and former Egyptian government minister who donated £5m to the Conservative party last year has unexpectedly been given a knighthood on the recommendation of Rishi Sunak.

We should just get rid of all honours, it's a farce. Symbol of a decaying country where nothing but money counts.

jfman

28-03-2024 20:14

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I say keep it. There's no bigger proof that we are a chumocracy masquerading as a democracy. The whole thing needs overhauled.

1andrew1

28-03-2024 22:31

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36172671)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ies-knighthood.

I'm struggling on the 'gave £5m to the Conservatives and unexpectedly received a knighthood' bit. That's as unexpected as me putting £2 in the KitKat vending machine and getting a KitKat.

jfman

28-03-2024 22:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36172682)

I'm struggling on the 'gave £5m to the Conservatives and unexpectedly received a knighthood' bit. That's as unexpected as me putting £2 in the KitKat vending machine and getting a KitKat.

:rofl:

A top 5 all time lines on CF.

Ms NTL

28-03-2024 22:43

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36172682)

I'm struggling on the 'gave £5m to the Conservatives and unexpectedly received a knighthood' bit. That's as unexpected as me putting £2 in the KitKat vending machine and getting a KitKat.

kudos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mrmistoffelees

30-03-2024 17:15

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36172682)

I'm struggling on the 'gave £5m to the Conservatives and unexpectedly received a knighthood' bit. That's as unexpected as me putting £2 in the KitKat vending machine and getting a KitKat.

£2 for a Kit Kat ?????? Is it a four bar chunky one or something ?

Hugh	30-03-2024 19:11

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Tories to hold under 100 seats to Labour’s 468, says exclusive poll

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0...64a11da815a37c

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The seat-by-seat analysis shows Tory prospects have hit a new record low and they are on track for their worst election result, winning fewer than 100 seats. Labour would win 468, giving Sir Keir Starmer’s party a whopping 286-seat majority.

The 15,000-person MRP poll, conducted by Survation on behalf of Best for Britain, puts Labour on 45 per cent of the vote share with a 19-point lead over the Conservatives, up three points from the campaign group’s previous poll at the end of last year. The Tories are on track to win just 98 seats, with none in Scotland or Wales.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1711825829

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The forecast even suggests the prime minister is at risk of losing his own constituency, the new Richmond & Northallerton seat, to Labour, with his lead less than 2.5 percentage points. Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, has a one-point lead over the Liberal Democrats in his new seat of Godalming & Ash.

Chris

30-03-2024 19:48

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15,000 is a big opinion poll. Presumably this has allowed them to do some decent regional modelling rather than assuming a uniform swing. Whatever methodology they’ve used is predicting the SNP will do less badly than some polls have suggested recently.

spiderplant

30-03-2024 20:05

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36172766)

Whatever methodology they’ve used is predicting the SNP will do less badly than some polls have suggested recently.

If things get much worse for the Conservatives, the SNP could become the official opposition

Hugh	30-03-2024 20:34

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36172766)

I thought there might be something for Reform in the poll, but (so far) can’t find the source data…

Update - found it.

https://www.bestforbritain.org/spring-2024-polling

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REFORM UK

The Labour Party have had a significant lead across all three of Best for Britain’s most recent MRP publications in May 2022; December 2022; May 2023 - but none as dismal as this for Sunak’s party. This latest downturn for the Conservatives can be almost entirely attributed to the impact of Reform UK.

In the majority of seats across the country, Reform UK have increased their vote share significantly compared to the last MRP fielded by Survation in December 2023. Mostly this comes at the expense of the Conservatives, so much so that Reform UK have become the second largest party in seven seats.

Although they command 8.5% of the national vote share, in 207 seats their vote share is above 10%, and in 47 seats their vote share is over 15%. With this level of support, if they stand down their candidates as UKIP did in 2017, and the Brexit Party (Reform UK’s previous name), did in 2019, Reform UK could significantly boost the Conservative seat haul.

https://cdn.survation.com/wp-content...024-03-28.xlsx

Some interesting forecast results…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1711831779

jfman

30-03-2024 21:59

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36172766)

I think there's too much going on to reliably predict what happens in Scotland. The SNP lead in many seats is precarious, but Labour broadly doesn't inspire. You'd forget given the generous coverage Labour's branch office get on BBC Scotland that in the Scottish Parliament Douglas Ross leads the official opposition.

The swing from Conservative to Labour could hand the SNP seats in one hand and take them away with the other.

Separately what's interesting in the polls see the Lib Dems going nowhere.

Pierre

31-03-2024 10:01

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Too close to call for many, lots seats will be won or lost on the toss of a coin.

1andrew1

31-03-2024 10:22

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Looks like they will be One Nation Conservatives if they fail to return any MPs except in England. ;)

Pierre

31-03-2024 12:47

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I’m happy the Tory’s have imploded, it’s just a crying shame it’s Labour that benefits.

Either an actual Conservative Party rises from the ashes, or we need a new centre right party.

Reform isn’t it.

Mr K	31-03-2024 14:05

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36172785)

The country has had enough of the right wing, looking after the select few at the expense of most others. The Brexit shambles, has driven the country into the ground, made most poorer - there's only one party to blame.

jfman

31-03-2024 14:25

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Starmer is leading a centre-right party. I'm not sure a single policy stands from the 2016 or 2019 manifesto. Nor do I think any substantive policies stand from his leadership campaign.

He's firmly putting it out there that Labour are just a caretaker for the same flawed macroeconomics that have decimated our industrial towns and cities.

British people are just another asset for the globalised economy to extract wealth from. Whether you turn on the taps, switch on the lights or commute to work - money is leaving this country hand over fist in dividends for running our public services.

TheDaddy

31-03-2024 14:29

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36172786)

It's not just brexit although that was bad enough, it's austerity that drove our services through the floor under the guise of paying our debts of only to find we are more in debt than ever before and that was pre covid where they enabled chums to rape the backside out of the country and you know the stupidest thing of all, there's over 20% of the country that want them to carry on, are they sadists, I wouldn't trust them to run a bath and it's no wonder with all the shit in the water, another of their gifts to the country

daveeb

31-03-2024 14:44

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36172788)

Correct, the last 14 years have been a shitshow, literally as far as our waterways are concerned and metaphorically with everything else they've had anything to do with. Can't wait to see the back of this corrupt incompetent gang of self serving chancers.

heero_yuy

31-03-2024 15:34

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36172789)

Be careful what you wish for. ;)

Yes, they're bad but it could get much worse.

Mr K	31-03-2024 17:22

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36172792)

Be careful what you wish for. ;)

Yes, they're bad but it could get much worse.

It's not a great election slogan, "vote for us, as anyone else must be worse". Might as well not have elections, or go to Russia, if there can only be one ruling party.

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