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Lib Dems and SNP want one on the 9th Dec, Boris wants one on the 12th Dec.

The reason given for the 9th is "they believe would include time for him to "ram through" his Brexit Bill." . . . will 3 days really make that much difference, or is it sheer bloody mindedness again?

Corbyn on the other hand, is sticking to the same old mantra of rejecting the election call unless a no-deal Brexit is taken off the table. Silly old duffer, still can't understand that not agreeing to a deal means there is no deal.

I can't help but get the feeling most of these people have the highest home/car insurance payments in the country, and are paying the highest tariffs for gas/electricity, because they have no idea how to negotiate a better deal :D

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The reason is because the University terms break up that week so any student registered in their University town will be less likely to vote (as they'll have gone home).

Although I think part of it is a spin war. The Tories want the narrative of having been rejected when they called for an election whereas the SNP/Lib Dems don't want to appear to have been bounced into one.

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Sounds reasonable I guess, they must be hoping that the students have been sufficiently brainwashed to vote their way ;)

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Hoping the lecturers have done a good job eh;)

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BoJo's lecturers haven't. He's just given the EU £7bn that he didn't need to. Oops!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...bank-tq0qskgfc (full article pay-walled)

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When was it ever in the legal agreement?:confused:
The only references to "level playing field" were in the customs arrangements for NI.

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329 MPs allowed it to happen . . not just Boris

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More fools them and I suspect some didn't read it. ;)
Let's hope this costly withdrawal act does not make it into law.

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Or didn't have time to read it...

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so why give it the nod without reading it? Incompetence?

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Maybe their words are making an appearance because it shows what they really think and imo that's especially important now considering we're giving these people control over workers rights and conditions, the workers they think are idling in bed rather than "grafting", considering the reviews you found I'd say these people are the lazy ones though

When it was part of the binding withdrawl agreement, iirc they moved it from there to the non binding political declaration

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I don’t know - you’d have to ask the 285 Conservative MPs, the 19 Labour MPs, and the 25 Independent MPs who voted for it...

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Your perversity knows no bounds, jfman. Whose blood is being spilt over Brexit?

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And what many do not understand is that the 'opt-outs' are very limited and restricted to only certain defined provisions.

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Deadlines are only ineffective if no-one takes them seriously. As a negotiator myself, I have found deadlines to be very effective - they concentrate minds.

But you have to mean it when you set a deadline.

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Britain will not be poorer. More lies from Project Fear, stoked by the economic forecasts that give attention only to the benefits we will lose.

What about those we will gain? You can't get your head around that, can you?

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The EU don’t have to “mean it” though. The longer we waste time we remain a net contributor to the EU. The longer the farce continues we demonstrate to other countries that leaving the EU is incredibly difficult, which suits their needs.

As for the part in bold you can see I’m referring to polling.

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Where precisely?
From the old WA.

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Incompetent in that it damages the country more than Theresa May's deal but less than a no-deal. But ideologically fine if they believe in Brexit at any cost.

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Both "deal" and "no deal" end up the same, except with "no deal" it costs us less.
People are being deliberately misled into believing that the "deal" is some magical thing that solves everything for eternity. It is legally meant to be "Transitional, and unambiguously limited in time".

People are being led to believe that any "deal" is the "promised land".

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But no deal will see the closure of companies like Vauxhall Ellesmere Port so I'm not sure how that's cheaper.

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"Deal" still means we end up in the same position, just at the end of next year instead.


There is a general collapse in the car industry, so either way it is likely to close, especially if the unions have their way. Ellesmere Port was in trouble long before now.

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Unless bozo rewrote the whole thing it's in there somewhere...


In Mr Johnson's Brexit deal, references to a level playing field - the idea that the UK and EU countries keep their rules and standards close to prevent one trying to gain a competitive advantage - were removed from the legally binding withdrawal agreement.

Instead, they were put into the non-binding "political declaration", which describes the potential future relationship between the UK and EU.

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The unions don't want Ellesmere Port to close. Its owners don't want it to close.
No deal saves no money, it just adds uncertainty and reduces jobs.

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It is sad albeit amusing that there are people in this country that actually believe this rubbish. This sort of stuff only really belongs in the Daily Mail readers comments ..

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Evidence please that No Deal is the bargain you claim?

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Yet again, the childlike tropes are wheeled out. You need to apply science and not faith to this process. Without evidence backed up by authoritative reasoning, all you have are aspirations ..

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It is well known that when you remove restrictions and reduce taxes for business, entrepreneurs respond. It is not possible to forecast how they will respond in most cases but it is possible to determine the overall likely benefit. With something big like this, and with the additional incentives Boris would put in place, the benefits could be huge.

We will be trading with more countries, not less, and our trade with the EU will remain largely the same. So the absence of the 'science' to prove the point is on your side, old chap.

The economic forecasts are heavily weighted towards the benefits we would lose, not the benefits we would gain, so these are very skewed forecasts.

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Polling or trolling?

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‘It is well known" = "can’t find any recent examples, so will resort to cliches"... ;)

Here’s a recent example that begs to differ that tax cuts help the economy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/29/trum...tudy-says.html Meanwhile, in a totally unrelated area

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/13/69419...dicted-to-fall

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Ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what happens to government income when you reduce high levels of taxation.

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It's not "well known" if you reduce taxes on business entrepreneurs respond. If this was true why haven't taxation rates reduced to zero? If they reduced to zero, where does public service funding come from? Personal tax. Who is worse off? Individuals while multinationals hive off their profits to other countries anyway.

It's an economic theory speculative at best to shift the tax burden from the extremely well off, who take income as capital gains and dividends, to the poor who pay under PAYE.

Our trade with the EU will remain largely the same? Totally contradicts your first point. By adding tariffs and paperwork surely entrepreneurs will respond negatively?

Unless of course you are making it all up as you go along.

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Don't be ridiculous, jfman. As one who claims to be an expert in economics, this is pretty poor form.

On tax. If tax reduced to zero, you would not gain any revenue. Why do you always resort to extreme views like this? You also wouldn't get any revenue if you increased it to 100% because there would be no incentive to work. Obviously.

Income tax cuts reduce the amount individuals and families pay on wages earned. When people can take home more of their pay, consumer spending increases. This personal consumption drives almost 70% of the economy because it’s one of the four components of gross domestic product.

Capital gains tax cuts reduce taxes on sales of assets. That gives more money to investors. They put more money into companies, through stock purchases, helping them grow. It also drives up the prices of housing and other real estate, oil, gold, and other assets.

Business tax cuts reduce taxes on profit. These give more money to companies to invest and hire workers.

As for the EU, the impact of tariffs works both ways, and you are forgetting about our trade with the rest of the world increasing.

Could do better, jfman.

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EU has agreed Brexit delay until January 2020

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-has-ag...-tusk-11847480

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The British Government's forecasts all include these benefits but they're thoroughly outweighed by the reduced trade with the EU. As previously pointed out.

Moving on, good see the EU has agreed to Boris's request to postpone Brexit to 31 January 2020 as Dave has posted.

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One of the conditions the owners have placed on it being kept open, is certain negotiations with the trade unions. I don't know if, or how any negotiations have gone.

There is still the final EU negotiations yet to come, so any "deal" or "no deal" is not yet relevant.

Worldwide car production is being reduced, so outside of Brexit there are problems, temporary shutdowns, and closures.

If the EU were truly interested in a "level playing field", they would stop propping up other EU countries. EG Poland gets 9bn/year, and that's on top of the over £1bn the country gets from the UK, from Poles living here.

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I'm applying your flawed theory to the extreme. Tell me what part of reducing taxes on businesses I failed to apply in my example?

I didn't forget the hypothesised increased trade with the rest of the world. You specifically, in the absence of any evidence at all, claimed trade with the EU remains much the same. Despite your contradictory view that taxes and red tape should be reduced on businesses to promote entrepreneurs. Both cannot be true.

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You posited the proposition, you provide the proof - Sajid and I aren’t on the same forum... ;)

However, to counterpoint your proposition

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...ment-imf-finds Personal tax cuts for the lower paid boost business, as these people spend it on consumables (mainly), whilst Corporate tax cuts recently have been used for share buy-back or to increase reserves, rather than investment in the business.

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As previously pointed out, only certain benefits of leaving the EU have been taken into account - the obvious ones, such as reduction in contributions. The economists have absolutely no idea how business will respond to more flexible and understandable legislation and massive new trading opportunities. I understand the reasons for that, but these forecasts should have come with a health warning, because they are largely one-sided.

Not sure why you are cock-a-hoop about yet another postponement. Most people want to get Brexit done.

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The majority wanting to do something and it being in our economic best interests aren't one and the same thing. We aren't a direct democracy.

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it's all very well cutting income tax etc. But without positive consumer confidence in the economy money will be saved rather than spent. So the above is a naive interpretation.

The last data i saw (which i think was for the end of September 20190 showed that consumer confidence was at -12 (slightly recovering from the previous month of -14)

nowhere near the lowest score in the last recession however. BUT to add to this most sampled people believe the UK economy will go into recession within the next twelve months

People are jittery about their finances, and, in my opinion justifiably so.

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Old Boy's economic analysis is just failed neo-liberal capitalism allowing profits to be siphoned off public services where competition cannot be created anyway.

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So if BJ doesn’t win his vote tonight, he will have another one tomorrow?

Because Conservatives didn’t get enough of a majority in the 2017 General Election, they want to have another General Election.

But we can’t have another Referendum, because "the people have spoken!".

Strange, the people "spoke" in 2015 and said who they wanted to run the country for the next five years, but that didn’t stop the Conservatives holding another one in 2017 and now one in 2019.

Seems legit...

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Just keep on holding an election until you get the right result, it would appear. ;)

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Unions aren't an issue, it'a whether Vauxhall can export its cars and import its components in a timely and therefore cost-effective manner.

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The EU counties being “propped up” are customers for all of the products they buy from other EU countries.

Given how strongly the English feel I’m surprised they are so keen to “prop up” Scotland and Northern Ireland.

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as expected parliament reject General Election

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If there’s a way to drag it out... :D

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and Johnson also wrote a letter accepting the EU extension ;)

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So will he carry out his promise that he would rather be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit.;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCAxuiZLPw

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“I’d rather” is an expression of how one feels about certain things, not a commitment to do one or the other.

Besides, he’s trying very hard to implicate Parliament as the cause of the delay, rather than he himself.

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it him that suspended the bill because he didn't want it scrutinized not the other way around

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Had debate continued according to the usual timetable then a Brexit extension would still have been necessary to avoid No Deal. What’s your point, exactly? Because all you’ve just done is point out that it is parliament’s rejection of the short timetable that ensured the whole Benn Act process of requesting and accepting an extension would play out.

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we now got a Brexit extension as he wrote letter to EU accepting it why he scared of scrutiny he could easily bring it back

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Why he scared? He not scared. He committed to leaving the EU this Thursday. The timetable he proposed was the only way to achieve that. Parliament rejected the timetable and ensured an extension was necessary. Boris might still have gone for a No Deal, of course, but Parliament passed a law that required a request to be made, and gave parliament final approval of the date.

The Brexit extension is Parliament’s doing, against the expressed policy of the government; within that parliamentary maths it is Labour, Lib Dem and SNP doing. Expect that fact to be exploited ruthlessly in the coming election - I wouldn’t fancy being a Labour MP sitting on a wafer thin majority in a constituency that voted Leave.

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I can't wait for the local idiots to come knocking at my door . . if they can be bothered to.

I just wish the house had an overhanging balcony from which to pour the tar & feathers :D

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A plague on all their houses.

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This Parliament has overstepped it’s remit. The legislators have taken on the role of the executive. In any other Parliament a vote of no confidence would have been taken on this government and a GE would have been undertaken months ago.

This Parliament is not fit for purpose.

You can’t have another democratic exercise on that question as the result of the first democratic exercise has not been undertaken.

The opposition parties demanded a GE because May had not won a GE and May duly agreed because she thought she’d walk it. Parliament, you know that great democratic institution voted for a GE.

Funny that Johnson, also not elected via a GE, and Parliament think that’s fine, and won’t test him in a GE? Go figure.

there’s no rules anymore. Bercow and the remainer Parliament have ripped up the conventions. We need a new speaker and a new Parliament.

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One good thing is thst despite all the threats, there have been no riots every time a Brexit extension date had been confirmed.

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I wonder if Bercow is going to go on the 31st or if he'll give himself an extension?

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Perhaps he should have explained that fully when he was making hay at hunts expense during the leadership contest, hunt who told the truth about the possibility of needing an extension and bozo who told us in no uncertain terms it wouldn't happen

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The EU is not part of the UK, jfman.

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Maybe so, but not because the EU denied him the ability to get the revised agreement. That was Parliament's doing.

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He suspended the Bill because Parliament was not prepared to agree a timetable that enabled us to leave on 31 October.

The Bill contains much of what has already been scrutinised to death. The changes he has made do not require scrutiny of more than a few days. As usual, Parliament tries to draw everything out for as long as it can get away with.

I am sure the electorate will respond appropriately when finally given its voice and Boris will romp home. And the nightmare will finally end.

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Ah, so Britain is willing to pay for colonial nostalgia, but not into wider economic projects. Got ya.

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It seems to be the remainers who believe that leavers voted Brexit because of their visions of empires reborn.

Speak to leavers and you will get a rather different picture, based on forging our own future and creating prosperity, being responsible for our own laws, as well as stemming the unrelenting scourge of immigration, which at its recent levels threaten to change the nature of this country and put untold damage on our public services and housing situation.

Colonialism? That's well dead and buried now and firmly consigned to history.

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Britain set for December election as Corbyn lifts Labour's opposition to bill.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bill-live-news

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Well looks like a December election is on. Corbyn finally relents.

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Get ready for Social Media meltdown, fake news and a huge amount of bollocks to be coming your way from all sides for the next 6 weeks. At least parliament will be dissolved.

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cant see anthing but another hung parliament

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Well if its anything like the referendum campaign which was full of misinformation , lies and everything else besides from both sides it will be more of the same sadly..

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exactly Den gonna be lots of lies on all sides in election campaign

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With the end of the United Kingdom as we know it and a border in the Irish Sea it certainly will be dead and buried.

Leaving the EU will solve none of the issues you describe. I see no prospective Government pledging to solve the housing crisis, no disincentives to have property traded as a commodity with buy to let landlords, none of it.

The UK haven't even been controlling immigration with the present levers available - what makes you think ending EU migration will change that?

People have been tricked by successive Governments into blaming immigrants for Government failure. Leaving the EU simply leaves a failing Government and no bogeyman.

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And likely given the poll trends for the last 10 years we could well be in hung parliament territory again.

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Boris has a pretty good lead in the opinion polls, which is steadily increasing, and unlike Theresa, he will be able to build on that.

People want to move forward, not backwards. They've had enough of the silly games being played by all the opposition parties.

Scotland may be an exception to that, but this will not be enough to prevent Boris riding to an overwhelming victory. He will also win over a number of 'leave' Labour seats and the Lib Dems will split the Labour vote. Many traditional Labour voters won't even bother to vote with Corbyn in charge. The Brexit Party is toast now with Boris leading the way.

Boris is home and dry unless something unforeseen happens. You'll see.

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I think the public are well fed up with hung parliaments now. This should bury the desire for proportional representation for a long time.

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To be fair you don't have the best track record when it comes to predictions so I think quite a few of us will take what you say with a pinch of salt.

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remember last time OB that what Theresa May thought too and both Johnson and Corbyn are very divisive figures

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A 20 point lead leading up to the election if l rightly remember and during it as well.

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Boris and Theresa are two completely different animals!

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I'm quite sure the pole dancer's secrets will come out in the next month or so. Will be quite juicy.

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Johnson is toxic like Corbyn May wasn't she was just useless and as I said before this is worse choice in british history

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Its not good reading for Theresa May l gather.

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Corbyn is the toxic one. The left-wing politicians detest the idea of Boris being Conservative Leader because they know he is popular in the country and they cannot beat him. With Corbyn still loitering as Leader of the Labour Party, they have only made the situation worse for themselves.

The electorate want determination to get things done from a PM, not wiffle-waffle, indecisiveness or talk of revolution. They want more prosperity and less political correctness. They want GB to stand tall in the world again.

Boris is the obvious choice for most, albeit some might think it's Hobson's choice and may hold their noses while they vote. No matter, it's their votes that count. If he can also win over younger people with his humour and his positivity, his opinion poll standing will improve even further.

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both are toxic OB you really need to take off your tory rose tinted glasses and get in real world

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Boris is popular in the country and you will see this very quickly in the election campaign. I don't see Boris's recently announced policies as being toxic, and nor will most people.

You can't say the same for Corbyn's Marxist ideas, which have turned the country right off Labour.

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Here's a Boris policy that is toxic:

Trump’s Plan For The NHS: Channel 4 Dispatches

Oh dear, the truth is coming out just in time ...

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Tories restore the whip to 10 MPs.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bill-live-news

No surprise with that..

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Didn't bother reading it, but drug pricing (excessively high pricing) by large companies has been something of a talking point for years.
Maybe if doctors didn't throw them at patients willy nilly, the prices may drop and everyone might be healthier all round :)

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And the more they throw mud at Boris, the more popular he will be. The electorate is fed up with cynical, do-gooder politicians.

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They probably also want them to stand for something.

You earlier described Johnson as popular, and I'd actually concede that. If you have no conviction of your own it's easy to promise all things to all people. Until of course it comes to delivering. Just ask the DUP and Mark Francois.

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Only 10? Presumably the rest of them will be de-selected, then.

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At least half a dozen of the ones still expelled from the party are those who voted for Stella Creasey’s thoroughly pointless amendment this afternoon. They’re the usual hard remainer contingent, Ken Clarke, Guto Bebb etc.

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They're not worth keeping,they put people off voting Tory.

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I am going to vote for the STUFF-IT PARTY...:D

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Eh?

What actually happened... Senior Tories had urged Mrs May to call an early election, taking advantage of the Conservatives' healthy opinion poll lead over Jeremy Corbyn's Labour.

Her statement does not mention "opposition parties demanding an election", nor can I find anything to support that proposition.

Nice try at revising history/reality, though... ;)

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On the other hand, she was absolutely right about the opposition parties attempting to destabilise the process. It’s just a pity that

1. She completely boleauxed up the election
and
2. So weakened herself that the hardliners on her own backbench (on both sides of the Brexit divide) decided to use the chaos to try to push her towards their own favoured outcome.

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Agreed, but that’s not what Pierre stated.

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12th of December it is then.

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Corbyn vs Boris?

or

Libs (stay) vs Farage (leave)?

Or a mishmash that will result in a hung parliament with no-one willing to do deals?

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After a lot of pointless posturing over the date and a very silly attempt to change the age of franchise (which is in itself worthy of serious consideration but obviously not something to be thrown around right now).

And the 438 votes in favour must surely be very close to the two thirds majority that would have carried it yesterday? Truly this parliament has become a joke and makes a laughing stock of its own high reputation and history. It needs thoroughly hosing down.

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Were any of these commitments?

We are getting ready to come out on October the 31st...Do or die, come what may” (25 June, TalkRadio interview)

“Kick the can again and we kick the bucket, my friends, that's the sad reality" (27 June, Tory leadership hustings)

“We are going to fulfil the repeated promises of Parliament to the people and come out of the EU on October 31, no ifs or buts” (25 July, first speech as Prime Minister)

“There are no circumstances in which I will ask Brussels to delay. We are leaving on 31 October, no ifs or buts” (2 September, speaking in Downing Street)

“I am confident of getting a deal. We will leave on 31 October in all circumstances. There will be no further pointless delay.” (3 September, speech in Commons)

"I will not negotiate a delay with the EU and neither does the law compel me to do so” (19 October, speech in Commons)

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If you actually read the report, it is Trump's policy, not BJ's. If the report is correct, that is.

Government response:

In a statement to Dispatches, the Department for International Trade said: “The NHS is not, and never will be, for sale to the private sector, whether overseas or domestic‎…The sustainability of the NHS is an absolute priority for the government. We could not agree to any proposals on medicines pricing or access that would put NHS finances at risk or reduce clinician and patient choice.”

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/142900...eliver-brexit/

Theresa May set to be UK PM after Andrea Leadsom quits http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208

I’m not revising anything, are you seriously suggesting that there were not demands for an election after May became PM?

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As the adage goes "Well they would say that, wouldn't they"?

Major theme for this GE, "Can you trust the Tories with .. basically, anything?" *







* cue response with variations on Corbyn, Labour, Marxist, etc.

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Whilst I hope this is the case. I believe that in any trade talks with the US that the NHS will in some way or another be opened up to them.

We're going to be doing a lot of negotiating from a position of weakness so to speak. So, regardless of it's access to the NHS, Visas etc.

We're going to end up giving quite a lot away i suspect.

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Well, yes..........

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Ooh Sir, Sir...Pierre said there were demands for an election when May became PM, and I say there weren’t.


Stop telling tales in class Hugh, anyway Pierre is correct.

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I'm afraid they all are. An inconvenient truth that the Brexit Party will doubtless shine a light on.