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You do know what the purpose of the Picador is in Bullfighting? His job is to thrust a lance into the bull to weaken via loss of blood before it being killed by the Matador.

I cannot think of a more inappropriate analogy for a relationship with a trading partner.

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Is this about Bullfighting now ? Maybe change the thread title again? ;)

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Me annoying? ;)

Can you explain how you "embrace this metaphor"? The words are designed to illustrate an adversarial relationship, not a constructive one .. which is I suppose is your intent.

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The EU is corrupt plain and simple. Wasn't there a reporter killed recently who was investigating tax evasion and allsorts of other stuff? of course the EU said her death wasn't anything to do with that.

The only things worried about leaving the EU is the deep pockets of these large corporations who might actually have to pay their way once we leave and not get anymore back handers over the little people.

I can't wait, we need a national two fingers to Europe day every year to celebrate leaving. Thats if there is still an EU once we leave

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Ah, so Brexit will make the big companies pay their fair share? :rofl:

So you mean a law like this one that is planned by the EU and one that Mogg & co. would ensure is never, in a month of sundays, attempted here once we leave.

EU proposes online turnover tax for big tech firms

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Nope, the EU is against tax evasion, the privileged elite who campaigned for Brexit are in favour of it. Please pass on my regards to Mr Galloway. ;)

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I truly don't get it. We're leaving the EU 29/3/19. No one here is disputing it so I struggle to see what the problem with a full and frank discussion on the issues around it causes. This is the UK; not North Korea or Venezuela.

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The way we leave? I'm sorry but I voted to leave in it's entirety, no half in or out.

Any future deals will be up to the EU and our own negotiating team. Deals can be done but on our terms not theirs.

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Right on, pip! So many people don't get it, do they?

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Deals can't be done on our terms and not theirs. Deals can only be done on mutually agreed terms.

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The type of exit very much matters to everyone.

Not every leave voter wanted complete separation, therefore if you add those to the remain support, links to the EU may still be wanted by the majority. Yet all I seem to see is hard leavers complaining about the remainers wanting a say in the leave process. - Does not seem very democratic to exclude the opinions of such a large group of people!

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It is a question I have asked before but what is 'out'? Would you consider not being members of any EU funded institutions/agencies as 'out' or would participating in at least some organisations be acceptable?

I am thinking for example of;

EMA for medicines
EASA for aviation
ERC/Horizon 2020 for academic research
REACH for chemical safety

It's the depth of membership that may have some impications. Third countries are associate members of EMA and EASA for example but have no policy or guideline making abilities.

One of my good friends is participating in a Horizon 2020 project - 'Implications of Medical Low Dose Radiation Exposure' https://cordis.europa.eu/project/rcn/211042_en.html . It's grand collaborations like these we might miss down the the line unless some kind of deal is struck.

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That's correct, and without that, there is no deal. We would not be the first country to trade with the EU without a deal.

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People simply voted in or out. That was the choice.

If you vote Labour at the next election because of their rail nationalisation plans and they got in (God help us) would you be moaning then about the TYPE of nationalisation they were looking to implement? Of course you wouldn't, you'd trust the Government to sort out the detail.

And so we should in terms of Brexit as well. Let the government get the best deal it can, or walk away, and we'll vote on how they did at the next election.

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I wouldn't trust the government of whatever shade to open a paper bag.

What they promise and what they can deliver once in power are often very different. The worst one being a simplistic vote on the EU that was insufficient to meet reality.

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I am sure that all those who voted to leave just wanted to leave. They were not concerned with the detail.

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The vast majority of leavers were perfectly clear about what they wanted. It's the remainers who are trying to muddy the waters.

You cannot decide the result of a negotiation in a vote that you have before the negotiations begin! The whole idea is absurd.

Twist it as much as you like, the majority want out. Brexit means Brexit, as someone somewhere said at some time.

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Mainly because they didn't know what it meant - no one said we would have to stockpile food and medicine, or appoint a Minister for Food, or that it may lead to the Good Friday Agreement being overturned.

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That's a helluva assumption - do you have any facts to back it up.

I could equally say that I am sure that most of those who voted leave thought we would not be impacted financially or economically, which is not turning out to be true...

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Oh, come on, Hugh! It's rather too late for that Project Fear line now. It's happening - we are about to leave.

I will be asking you about who is actually experiencing these supposed food shortages, inability to get medication, etc after we've left, because honestly, this is just so much nonsense.

Incidentally, what's the Good Friday Agreement got to do with border checks for goods? Where is that mentioned in the Good Friday Agreement?

When this is over, the population will be left stunned. Not because of the catastrophic outcomes that remainers are shouting about, but because none of these events actually happened.

A free trade agreement of sorts will be done and the detail will be taken care of through negotiation. End of.

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It does seem to be the hard leavers who have a literal view of what the leave vote meant and assume that everyone who voted leave took it as simplistically as they do. The reality is different, why else are those who voted remain still complaining? Why else are the government struggling to find a way out which keeps most of the population happy? Why else are there specific issues with NI border that need resolving in order to comply with the GFA? Why else are negotiations taking place at all? Why else does A50 have a 2 year negotiation period?

People voted to leave for all sorts of reasons, many of which have turned out to be totally illogical, or not even for something the EU are responsible for in the first place.

Yet it seems only the minority hard leave group are allowed an opinion, they certainly manage to complain enough about the remain voters.

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The majority voted to leave, plain and simple. Do you actually know a single leaver who wants to remain in the Customs Union? People were sold free trade deals, getting back sovereignty, no longer being subject to the ECJ and no more free movement. The remainers complain that, for example, nobody was asked about the customs union. That is true, but given the acceptance of arguments about forging new trade deals, how would a customs union actually permit that?

You are deliberately attempting, with all the others who voted to remain, to muddy the waters and introduce irrelevant arguments that you may feel are issues or ways of getting a u-turn. However, the vast majority of remainers are not at all concerned about those arguments. They voted to leave the EU. Leavers do not misunderstand what 'leave' actually means.

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Didn't you, well that's your fault.

I did. It meant leaving the Single market the customs union, the jurisdiction of the ECJ and all of the other associated European treaties. Access to or participation in post brexit to be negotiated and new bi-lateral agreements to be sorted out.

That's why I voted remain.

In that case then they were idiots, but why should that surprise you??????

Every 5 years we have a vote and I would suggest that a very, very, very small % actually read the manifestos and know exactly what they are voting for? But we don't re-run the election for the thicko's then and we shouldn't now.

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An assumption? I know a great many people who voted leave, and they are as annoyed as I am with the assumptions by remainers about what that means. This also comes out at Question Time, with leavers in the audience getting very fed up with people who insist they didn't know what they voted for.

The confusion is in the heads of the remainers if they really think that. However, my suspicion is that all they are trying to do is overturn the vote.

There will be riots in the streets if that happens. The British electorate has had their say. Now it is up to the politicians to sort it out.

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Nope, just injecting a bit of reality into the simplistic assumptions of those who still support hard Brexit. We are still connected by a tunnel regardless, or should this be blown up?

I voted leave, I did not vote for complete separation between us and the EU.

With all the problems Brexit has thrown up I wish I and others who have since changed their minds had voted to stay.

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You also need to factor in the 16/17 year olds how were not able to vote in 2016 plus the, put delicately,"loss" of 100,000's of Leave voting older people.

The demographic momentum is against Leave ..

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The referendum was a binary vote - one or the other.

One choice won by over a million votes - That's a massive majority of people.

I have no qualms of accepting Remainers say on the leave process but it's been more than this - it's been utter bullshit about trying to keep us tied to the EU, then rubbish about not many people voting in one of the largest Democratic processes of modern times. Rubbish that people didn't know what they were voting for.

Now Remainers want a second vote to get their own way - not a chance - we had a vote, one is enough. We do not keep having the same vote over and over again. Or we might as well just piss over democracy that people fought and died for.

I voted to leave the EU in it's entirety, that was what was on the ballot paper - it's manifestly absurd to suggest no-one knew what exactly they were voting for when that action was exactly on the ballot paper - it did not say "Partially leave the EU".

Lastly - what the hell is a "hard leaver" ? - there is no such thing.

A person who voted to leave the EU is not a hard leaver - they are a leaver.

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I hate to give you the bad news but you actually do not exist! All Leave voters know what they voted for and that includes a Hard Brexit.

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Well then you should have educated yourself.

It's not a question of changing your minds. You and other like you, who failed to make an informed decision are the ones that got us into this mess and now you're whinging about it.

Suck it up, and take responsibility for your actions.

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:rofl: Thanks for this, I haven't laughed so much in ages.

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All Leave voters should have known what they voted for because a Hard Brexit is all that was on offer.

in the run up to the vote there was no discussion of a Hard or Soft Brexit. All discussions advised that we would be leaving the SM & CU.

Hard or Soft Brexit only came into being the minute after the result was know. It was actually first phrased by Nick Glegg.

It was immediately wheeled out by Remainers as a mechanism to stay in the EU in some fashion by staying in the SM and thereby being in the EU in all but name.

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This I think is what is making those who still support leave so shrill.

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Disingenuous to suggest all young people would vote Remain - they would not - not that it matters - we had a vote in 2016, I missed out voting in the first referendum back in the 70's - you cannot factor age when people were ineligible because they were too young to vote - do we keep having votes every time people become of age to vote, such a factor is nonsensical??

I know many young people who would have voted to leave the corrupted EU.

Especially when they realise that youth unemployment is absolutely dire in other EU Member States, above 40% in some quarters and the corrupted EU isn't doing a damn thing about it.

So this age factor you speak of is irrelevant, as I and many others got to miss out on the referendum to join the Economic Bloc, as it was known back in the 70's. I missed out on voting for specific parties back in the 80's. That's life.

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So I guess we won't see you in London on Sat 20th Oct then?

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march

If you change your mind, make sure you wear something distinctive ..

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Yet it would seem those of us who foolishly voted for a pig in a poke, and have since changed our minds should suck it up.

Well we won't and it seems the negotiators are trying to achieve more of what we want than what you want.

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Another pointless and pathetic march that will not do a damn thing. What a waste of time it will be.

I hope it pisses down on that day.

But alas - a pointless day when, we are still leaving the EU - there will not be another Referendum and that is exactly how it should be - we had a vote, we do not keep having votes because the dummy spitters, toy thrown out of pram folk, didn't like the end result of the first one.

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No, Because I was on the losing side. I accepted the result a long time ago, I'm looking forward not back.

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:rofl:

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Please stop thinking - you voted to leave the EU but then suddenly forgot what that meant, if you cannot think for yourself, then stop thinking for others.

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Twisting words again :nono: I never said "all young people would vote Remain"

I just reminded the audience that 70+% of people under 24 voted to Remain and 60+% of people over 65 voted to Leave so since 2016 there would be a significant swing to Remain.

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I guess you won't be there either .. damn ..

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No I live with someone who thinks this way.

Even Daniel Hannan, a prominent leave MEP told the voters there would not be this "hard brexit" you refer to and that we would still be able to work with the common trade agreement.

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What clear and utter gibberish as its a tiny minority who asked for a U turn so don't keep bloody insulting and patronising those who did vote remain.

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Sorry, (well actually I'm not sorry) I don't believe that rubbish - especially when the data set I use, goes on the actual result taken in 2016, the one that counts and is the one that is being enacted on.

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Then why did you vote leave? The mind boggles!:shocked:

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I know, it's like saying I asked for a divorce but I want to be able to come around and use Her nectar card when I'm shopping, and she can tell me what I can buy and what I can't. And who I can talk to and who I can't.

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Actually, my apologies. I didn't mean to say all remainers. I meant those remainers who were pushing for another roll of the dice. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

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That's right, and when's dinner ready? :D

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:rofl: If I could give rep, I would.

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As the divorce settlement has yet to be agreed, who knows what we will end up with?

There are no absolutes, this is not like cutting a single thread of a jumper to unravel everything, but more like an embroidery of many colours, which when some threads are cut, you can still see the connections.

I admit to being foolish with my vote, but then I am totally fed up with politicians that do not bother to listen to the electorate and just treat them as sheep to keep their noses in the Westminster trough.

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In which case, I am rather surprised that you disapprove of the government's attempts to honour the wishes of that electorate. :confused:

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Less than half of the electorate positively voted leave or remain. A large number did not vote at all. So, who is this majority you speak of?

Of those who supported leave even arch Brexiteer Daniel Hannan said he wants to see a Brexit that recognises the narrow win of the leave campaign. And “leaves intact a number of existing arrangements”, suggesting a hard Brexit has started to look unappealing.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brex...te-withdrawal/

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BREAKING The DUP is planning to vote down this month’s Budget if Theresa May breaches the party’s red lines on Brexit, Sky News understands

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Don't be silly. You can't account for people who choose not to vote, and anyway, are you seriously suggesting they'd all vote 'remain'? The fact is, they couldn't be arsed to vote, so they didn't care one way or the other. If they did vote, there is no reason to suspect that the proportion of leavers to remainers would be any different.

As for Danniel Hannan, if that is his view, he's entitled to it. The fact remains that if we end up with a half-baked Brexit, the majority of those who voted will feel betrayed and will lose all faith in the government.

I believe that TM knows this, and therefore will not go there.

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Good for them! However, there is no danger of TM breaching those red lines, because she will never get that through her own party, let alone Parliament.

Maybe it's a message to warn off Hammond!

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or to the likes of JRM and Johnson ect who think Ireland border don't matter when it does

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You cannot say that the majority of the electorate supported either side.

Whatever happens we ALL have to live with whatever gets decided whether voted for or not and as far as I am aware, we still live in a democracy not a dictatorship.

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The Dictatorship comes from those that want to Remain inside the EU. I agree with others the vote was to stay in the EU or Leave I mean it was pretty clear.

If people were too stupid to understand what they were voting for then they should never have put pen to paper and left it to the ones that new what they wanted.

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Oddly, I am not saying we should not leave. My argument has always been about expectations. With the reality of leaving being a whole load more complicated than the simplistic referendum vote options given. Added to the narrow majority voting to leave, a significant percentage of the population need to be heard, not just ridden rough shod over.

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Oh I agree absolutely, very little was given before the referendum about what the future state might be, especially with our future relationship with the EU. Unfortunately, we now have to look at all these little things to see if we want to pull in devolved responsibilities or not and how should this be done.

This is why I had my question - how separate from the EU is separate enough? Can and we should we ask for access and be a member of EU organisations for aviation and medicines safety for example? Will this deliver Brexit as the 52% wanted or would it be regarded as 'half in, half out'. How far in is 'in'?

For example, the European Medicines Agency - should we join it? From a purely pragmatic point of view, I would say yes but there are some who might not like this as it's an EU body.

It's a tough one and I don't think even all leavers will be happy with decisions and deals made down the line.

Note - I am not trying to thwart Brexit with these questions! The governments job is to end with some kind of deal but I am interested in leavers opinions on what is leaving?

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You can. Just enable reps :) What are you scared of ? :)

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Hate to disappoint but these figures are based on the actual result taken in 2016 ...

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Here's one :)

Revealed: Davis wanted UK to stay in the Customs Union after Brexit

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if deal reached and Parliament votes it down even ardent leavers cant blame EU for that but I know they will try too

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Good spot!

Looking on the Sky News web site, it looks like a North Sea border is the option. Auntie Arlene will not be happy....

100% veterinary and phytosanitary checks on the north/republic border too. Gonna need to close some roads I think.

https://news.sky.com/story/final-bre...ay-eu-11522903

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can see government falling then without Auntie Arlene it will not get past parliament

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Ok, if you want to pick hairs, the majority of the electorate who voted. I am happy with that, but I am not happy with the argument some seem to have that those who did not vote would have voted remain.

We live in a democracy, but nobody is forced to vote (in some countries, it is compulsory). However, if you don't vote, you cannot justifiably argue that the result was unfair as it wasn't what you wanted, or it wasn't representative.[COLOR="Silver"]

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The electorate were told quite clearly that the result would be binding.

The process to achieve that maybe complicated, but that is a matter for the politicians to resolve. There is no case for the public to be involved in actually making the ultimate decision, any more than any other decision that a government comes to in carrying out its manifesto.

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Clearly, the Northern Irish border wasn't the problem they made it out to be, then. :rolleyes:

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Well, if true, Barnier will know, unless he's an idiot, that such a solution is not acceptable, in which case there will be no deal based on that within three days!

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It's not acceptable to the government, either, so it's a no deal if that's the best the EU can do.

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A link would be handy. A bald statement without any back up is just speculation. Truth is, we don't know what May might try and get through, we only know what people "say" they "might" do.

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worst of all worlds is no deal and parliament will sure no way vote for that and before you shout project fear read article 50


Article 50


1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.


5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.


so every treaty will be lost for everything so project FACT

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I am not quaking in my boots, Dave. We will get an agreement, the only question is about the detail of that agreement.

Leavers want out, which means not being in the EU, Common Market, or Customs Union. We don't want their damn treaties!

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A link is not necessary to support an opinion. However, the view I have expressed is commonly held. Many leavers want no deal with the EU at all, and if TM breaches another red line, she'll not get it through. You will be well aware that many people believe that Chequers itself is dead, so nothing that gives away more than that stands a chance.

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DUP will soon put the kibosch on that idea.

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agree we get a agreement with EU big question is will it get past parliament so you don't want medicines ect cause we lose that treaty too shocking

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Meh. But thank you for helping me :)

Popularity. Cyclists like being hated ;)

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Stop it, Dave. Please don't fall for that nonsense. We will simply get new agreements or make new arrangements. Both sides will avoid that kind of disruption. This negotiation is more about privileges than anything else.

Remember, the EU said some months ago that the deal was already over 80% agreed. We've moved on since then, so there's not that much separating us now.

Sit tight, and enjoy the ride.

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it parliament that the big hurdle OB that the biggest worry

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I am surprised you need help at your age or is it because of your age ;)

I understand. Four wheels good, two wheels bad ..

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They already have, haven't they? If there was a border in the North Sea, what would happen to trade between Ireland and Northern Ireland? Unless all trade to and from Ireland went via mainland Europe, there would still need to be a border between Ireland and NI.

I can't see that being acceptable as it would increase journey time and costs. Not impossible though, I guess.

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Apart from possibly this?

Brexit deal 'a week away' but May must agree on customs union, says Barnier

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TM has the task of selling this to her own party and the DUP. If she does that, it will get through Parliament.

The likes of Rees-Mogg are not as unreasonable as you may think, and if you saw him on Question Time the other week, you would see how much common sense he was speaking.

The Irish border is not the problem that it is portrayed to be. But let's humour those who think otherwise.

The Sky News report in one of the posts above regarding the transport of animals stated:

'Currently 10% of these are screened, but it would have to rise to 100%, Mr Barnier said, adding that these would amount to scanning bar codes on lorries and ferries travelling between the two.'

So, what is to stop checks from being carried out on the farms themselves rather than at the border? The bar code would be scanned at both ends, and lorries could be pulled over anywhere within the island of Ireland for a spot check. Doesn't have to be at the border at all.

There are solutions available. The EU just needs to stop being bloody minded.

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Barnier knows as well as anyone that TM could not get a breach of that red line through Parliament. He's trying it on, and it won't work.

If we maintained the Customs Union, we could not do the trade deals that makes leaving the EU a viable proposition. So as Maggie would have said, "No. No. No."

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Yet funnily enough - leave still won from that same result in 2016, that's why we are leaving, so you haven't and couldn't possibly disappoint me, given the actual result.

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Could some Labour MPs come to May's rescue?
https://www.ft.com/content/d43d2562-...6-b9069bde0956

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/745917...-commons-vote/

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There could be even more than that, actually. Given how the majority of Labour voters voted in many of their constituences, they will have some explaining to do in their constituences if those MPs vote against.

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So staying in the the Customs Union is Theresa's latest masterplan. i.e. BRINO. Was it all worth it? Got to hand it to the old girl, she's a cool Remainer cat. She doesn't need the DUP/ Brextremists, she's got Labour MPs :D
Wonder if she'll challenge Jeremy for the leadership ? ;)

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The glorious state of British politics...:td:

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No, it isn't, although there seems to be some speculation that we may stay in for a limited period. However, to me, that's just kicking the can down the road. This problem needs to be addressed now.

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the Ireland border is the biggest issue OB even if Brexit voters like it or not

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No matter how much sand you might get on your head, the Irish border problem won't go away.

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It will be solved one way or another.

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The EU is scared stiff of the UK gaining competitive advantage in the longer term, imo. So if we stay in the CU pending a trade deal, they'll make sure there is no trade deal or make it so difficult that it'll take years more than is reasonable given the alignment we have now.

Best to be free from that nasty, hegemonic organisation.

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By one of two ways - Bino or Brino. ;)

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Work starts on enabling motorway to become car park to cope with no-deal Brexit

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-11/...o-deal-brexit/

so not project fear as Brexit voters keep crying it project FACT

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Not only that, the local MP only found out about the work once it had started. The Government tried to hide it to prevent Brexit becoming even more unpopular!
https://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-11/...o-deal-brexit/

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I think you could publish a Thesaurus on words you have for the EU ! (I've certainly learnt a few new ones ;) )

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All pictures for the cameras ! Don't think the EU are buying our bluff. If we were serious about no deal we'd have made preparations a couple of years ago, not just the last couple of months.

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I was chatting with one of the team in work involved in Brexit preparedness today. I asked what timelines was in place of the got a notification of 'no deal' to be back to business as usual. Nine months was the answer. Yikes!

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If you had ever paid attention earlier on in this thread you would know myself, Old Boy,Seph ,Mick etc have all said we will have an initial hit on leaving with a no deal scenario. Nine months to get back to business as usual is certainly less than I expect and perhaps the others mentioned.

Good times ahead then.

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nine months we be only country in world with 0 trade deal in a no deal brexit and trade deals take years to do and you know there is countries already going to object to our WTO terms right


Ireland 'cannot accept' Brexit backstop time limit, Republic's deputy PM says

https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-c...snt-sf-twitter

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No they took years to do, while in the corrupted EU.

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Still waiting for news of any massive corruption scandal from the EU ? Why do you think we're any better ? - cash for questions, cash for influence, MPs expenses, sex scandals, Windrush.... The EU have got some way to go to beat us scandal/corruption wise.

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We can vote the MPs you mention out of office - no such luck with Drunken Juncker.

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They are just looking after Irish interests, understandable really. The rest of the EU really doesn't have to accommodate us, up to us to solve the issues we've created.

Re: Brexit
 

Nine months to do any kind of reasonable business at the scale my company does now. Structures need to be put in place and there may be significant regulatory hurdles to jump through. There will be a hit on profitability due to the increased costs of doing business, that is known now, it’s the scale of the costs that is being worked on and decisions will be made on if it’s worth keeping some of the business in the uk.

Re: Brexit
 

Re: Brexit
 

Re: Brexit
 

On the contrary, its the 'true Brexit believers' that have their heads in the sand, denying the economic reality, and chaos that's unfolding.

Brexit is a romantic but rubbish idea no matter how you dislike the imperfect EU.

Re: Brexit
 

Nailed it.

Re: Brexit
 

:nworthy: