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Good old Nige.

Tells it like it is.

https://www.rt.com/uk/388705-farage-...uncker-brexit/

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Good old Boris, up to his old tricks again, he never changes. ;)

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I thought you worked in the health sector so you should have an opinion on this.

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You cared enough to stick up for him in the post previous

Good old boris nothing, the man wants to make mugs out of all of us with his crappy little act and certain people lap it up because he's that funny bloke of the telly, trouble is for me that act grew tired years ago and the jokes wearing thin imo

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39998920

A much needed outbreak of common sense it seems, for now anyway. Cue Juncker popping out of the woodwork to stir up more tensions...

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JeIRAmy Corbyn, would not walk out, he would take any deal lying down and he may even say to Spain, you can have what you want as well and hand over Gibraltar. :rolleyes:

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I'm afraid he would. He has no backbone when it comes to defending the UK economically or militarily. He would certainly not get a good deal for the UK from the EU.

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Interesting comments from May.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7748431.html

Sounds like hell of a gamble to me, maybe that's why she campaigned for Remain. :shrug:
Never mind the toffs will be alright whatever, it's the plebs that will suffer as usual.

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your a glass always empty type of person aren't you ;)

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That's true Smurf, my glass is always empty for some reason...

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Of course a balanced deal with the EU is preferable but they must know that if the deal isn't balanced we will walk away and go without a deal. Lately the EU and it's rhetoric have demonstrated why people want out the arrogance and silly games they are playing is not helping anything.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40055027

Ahh... Juncker, the man reckons English is losing its relevance... :nutter:

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...tory-czkfwhznc (subscription only)

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thats nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA5vMRRJWyQ

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Clegg just can't stop talking rubbish can he - being a political irrelevance in the UK, he's no doubt doing his utmost to further ingratiate himself with the EU if that were possible.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40080759

If he's really saying that the EU, at a time of huge problems with security and terrorism, won't alter its stance towards sharing crime related information in the common good he's just confirming what an intransigent, blinkered lot they are. Of course he'll never accept that because it's his belief that the UK should just subjugate itself to the Brussels bureaucrats just like he has.

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It's not very likely they will cut our access to that system given how much the UK contributes to it but if they do well then it's like cutting your nose off to spite your face, we have said all along that we would continue working together on intelligence and security matters as it's beneficial to both.

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Yet Clegg the Euro-loser insists on more Brexit scare stories. Is this the best he can come up with even now?

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The problem of Clegg and Farron is that their pitch as the pro-EU party isn't working.

In fact all the minor parties are going to suffer in this election.

For once Labour and Tory are not pale imitations of each other. There is a clear choice with no fighting over the centre ground. That means that both parties will increase their share of the vote at the expense of UKIP, Libdems, greens and snp.

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We do seem to be going back to a two party system again (well, two parties + the SNP). In some ways it's bad for Labour because they could well increase their vote share whilst doing worse in Parliament giving the Tories the election but keeping Corbyn in the job.

The other thing the Liberal Democrats stand for, civil rights and privacy, is also increasingly unpopular. There was a poll the other day that said 68% of people support the mandatory breaking on encryption by technology companies and the hand over of user data to 'fight terrorism'.

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From my reading of the article, the point Nick Clegg has made is that countries accessing the system must adhere to EU data protection and privacy laws and to accept the rulings of the European Court of Justice. Theresa May has indicated she won't accept the latter so on paper this will disqualify the UK from use of the system.

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You appear to have actually read the article rather than the headline Andrew. This won't do at all ;)

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Pretty sure the EU share information with countries like, say, the USA.

Last time I checked they weren't in the EU and are not bound by ECJ decisions.

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Last time I checked the USA did not have access to the system Nick Clegg is talking about, the Schengen Information System.
http://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/wha...tion-system_en
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/0...he_panopticon/

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SIS is not used as a counter terrorism tool, that is covered by different agreements.
[I]see here[/I]

The UK only has access to SIS

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40095822

That's all we need, immigrant pensioners back with their skin cancer and dodgy hips. Where are they going to house all these health tourists, that's what I want to know ? ;)

Meanwhile EU NHS staff head in the opposite direction, seems like a plan.... :rolleyes:

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Sounds a good deal: the EU get our old dodgy expensive oldies and we get their young, healthy, tax paying young 'uns!

Remember though:

if you are British abroad, you are an expat

if you are Foreign here, you are a migrant

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It's what we voted for, apparently

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The untransparent, opaque EU has published its negotiating position for talks for everyone to see. This includes its' position for citizens rights and financial settlement - https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publ...egotiations_en

The financial position one is interesting as it shows all the institutions we pay in to and may have ongoing financial liabilities for. I have copied here;

1. Institutions and consultative bodies

European Parliament
European Council European
European Commission
European Court of Auditors
Court of Justice of the European Union
Council of the European Union
Economic and Social Committee
Committee of the Regions
European Ombudsman
European Data Protection Supervisor
European External Action Service

2. EU Agencies

2.1. Executive Agencies
Education, Audiovisual & Culture Executive Agency
Executive Agency for Small and Medium-sized Enterprises
Consumers, Health, Agriculture and Food Executive Agency
Innovation & Networks Executive Agency
Research Executive Agency
European Research Council Executive Agency

2.2. Decentralised Agencies
European Maritime Safety Agency
European Food Safety Authority
European Medicines Agency
European Railway Agency
European GNSS Supervisory Authority
Community Plant Variety Office
European Chemicals Agency
European Fisheries Control Agency
Fusion for Energy (European Joint Undertaking for ITER and the Development of Fusion Energy)
European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction
Eurojust
European Union Agency for Law Enforcement Training (CEPOL)
European Institute for Gender Equality
European Police Office (EUROPOL)
European Agency for Safety and Health at Work
European Aviation Safety Agency
European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control
European Network and Information Security Agency
European Environment Agency
European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights
European Centre for the Development of Vocational training
European Insurance and Occupational Pensions Authority
European Agency for Cooperation of Energy Regulators
Translation Centre for the Bodies of the European Union
European Banking Authority
European Securities and Markets Authority
European Asylum Support Office
European Training Foundation
Office for the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communication
European Foundation for the Improvement of Living and Working Conditions
European Border and Coast Guard Agency (Frontex)
European Union Intellectual Property Office
EU-LISA (European Agency for the operational management of large-scale IT systems in the area of freedom, security and justice)
The Single Resolution Board (SRB)

3. Other entities
European Coal and Steel Community (in liquidation)
European Institute of Innovation and Technology

B. JOINT VENTURES
SESAR Joint Undertaking
Innovative Medicines Initiative 2 Joint Undertaking
Fuel Cells and Hydrogen Joint Undertaking
ECSEL Joint undertaking
Clean Sky 2 Joint Undertaking
Bio-based Industries Joint Undertaking
Shift2Rail
Galileo Joint Undertaking in liquidation

C. ASSOCIATES FUNDS IN THE ACCOUNTS
European Investment Fund

D. FUNDS NOT IN THE CONSOLIDATED ACCOUNTS
European Development Fund
Facility for Refugees in Turkey

E. TRUST FUNDS
European Union Trust Fund for Central African Republic “Bêkou EU Trust Fund”
European Union Regional Trust Fund in response to the Syrian crisis, "the Madad Fund"
Emergency Trust Fund for stability and addressing root causes of irregular migration and displaced persons in Africa
Trust Fund for Columbia

F. BODIES NOT IN THE CONSOLIDATED ACCOUNTS
European Central Bank
European Investment Bank
European Defence Agency
European Union Institute for Security Studies
European Union Satellite Centre
European Schools

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Strewth. Seeing just how deep the rabbit hole goes is an eye opener. I suggest the following UK negotiating position:

Essential Principles on Financial Settlement

Aucun accord n'est meilleur qu'une mauvaise affaire

Isspay offay.

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Impact of Brexit vote sadly now starting to be felt.
Canada 0.9%
Germany 0.6%
Japan 0.5%
France 0.4%
US 0.3%
Italy 0.2%
UK 0.2%

https://www.theguardian.com/business...takes-the-lead

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Really? So how is Brexit affecting the US, whose growth is just one tenth of a percentage point higher than ours?

Honestly, articles like this in the Grauniad are the very worst of metropolitan remoaning. They're not reporting news, they're simply playing to the prejudices of their Islington readership.

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Sorry i see "guardian" and instantly lose all interest that paper hasn't run an article not in keeping with it's bias and agenda for as long as i can remember. Our press in the UK is nothing more then a joke these days nobody is served by any of them sadly online is even worse as hard as that is to believe.

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For one RK l have to agree with you.

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What is incorrect in the linked article? If it correct and factual, it is news.

You may not like the news it is reporting but that is your decision ...

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Exactly. It may be better news next quarter and I hope it is, but let's not put our heads in the sand any time negative news arises.

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I see some are still not getting the fact that the guardian is venomously Anti-Brexit. I have no problem ignoring their negative Remoaning crap.

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So, are you pretending that the UK was not at the foot of the G7 for growth then? :confused:

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Me pretend ?

Don't do pretend ;)

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Indeed it is anti Brexit Mick but then some are for Brexit so l suppose it is what suits each persons own agenda at the end of the day as to what they believe as personally Brexit is happening at end of at the end of the day and personally there are far more important things to care and worry about then that personally.

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Well at least you are honest and not pretentious and true to your word although slightly OTT at times one would say.;)

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I think newspapers should have a legal responsibility to report news in a neutral way, leaving any bias to seperate clearly marked editorial sections and commentary.

If there are regular or serious breaches of the code that would be needed to enforce this, the Government should be able to strip from them the right to call the publication a newspaper.

I know this would be difficult to enforce, but the blatant bias of most newspapers really has no place in a democracy, where people rely on what they read to inform them as to which way they are going to vote.

Brexit is a case in point - there are arguments for and against. If you bombast your readers with pro-EU or pro-Brexit propaganda, this will have an undue influence on most of the newspaper's readership and lead them to incorrect conclusions.

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:clap:

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Most papers do have a bias but it used to be pretty well known and as private entities they are quite in their right to have that bias. People usually read the papers whose bias matches their. Where I do agree some care is needed is the more covert bias that can be present in actual news reporting using facts to present a different truth in each. But we don't want censorship nor the inability for papers to write editorials or comment. Overt bias is OK as the purchaser/reader can understand and see that the bias is present.

The BBC shouldn't have that bias in totality as it is paid more generally though individual programmes/presenters may have such a bias.

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Newspapers are optional. The BBC we're stuck with. I object to being made to pay for such a politically biased institution and this election has really shown up the BBC for what it is. Why should we have to fund this junk? You have to pay even if you never watch it.

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:clap:

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As much as I dislike the coverage that comes from some papers I am not sure it's wise for the government to intervene. A free press is a defence against government corruption and as such we need them to have as little authority over them as possible. They still have to obey the law obviously, although even then there can be exceptions, but otherwise they should be able to print and say what they want.

Also it's nearly impossible to rule out bias. We all view the world though a certain perspective and it's hard to rid ourselves of that. We all for example approach issues with a Western mindset. It's also in the news you cover too. The Mail and The Sun for example rarely lie but they might report only one minor part of something, they could focus on one finding of a report and ignore other findings with put it into context etc. Would you have to force them to report the rest of it? Gets tricky real quick.

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Which is what I said. Individual programmes/presenters/editors etc on the BBC can have a bias but as a whole, being publicly funded it should be balanced and impartial.

And balance doesn't mean putting one "opinion" on for a couple of hours in the wee small hours to "balance" another view repeated in smaller chunks at peak time.

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I don't think they should. That's how BBC is propagating their bias. I suspect their time period coverage on both aspects of say the referendum was equal; it's the tone of specific reporters and commentators where the bias creeps in. Take for example Dateline London with a group of foreign journalists. The American is virtually always a Democrat who hates Trump and they are all pretty much anti Brexit.

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Keep your drawers on feisty ;)

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Fingers crossed for a hung Parliament and a soft Brexit! ;)

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According to Nigel he thinks a second referendum could happen.

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Clearly the call for a second referendum is going to increase and a third and a fourth till we vote the right way.

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Nope. If the Tories come short the DUP will prop them up if for no other reason than getting Brexit done. The Tories will form the next government, and Brexit will go ahead.

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I hope so but i doubt theresa may is going to be pm for much longer and whoever takes over will face calls for an election.

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Not sure many want another election RK.

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I don't think there will be a choice this mess is going to roll and roll.

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She has only herself to blame for calling this needless election to start with as she listen to much to her advisers and not enough to senior people in her own party

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If they had fought a half decent campaign i think they could have increased their majority but her handling of the campaign was absolutely shocking and it's almost as if she couldn't be bothered. Corbyn promising free higher education and wiping all student debts was a political master stroke and has paid off for him and labour but the fact it isn't properly costed and economically damaging at this time seems to have been totally forgotten it's plain nuts.

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If there is another election then that will delay the start of talks as well. They could do the election in September to match German elections maybe.

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Like UKIP only in reverse you mean?

Meanwhile
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-40171454

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Just heard Jon Snow, on LBC with Iain Dale, claiming that our youth voted Labour because they have been deprived of the 'right to live, work and love in Europe' by the Tories. Really? How's that then? There's no way any Brexit deal is going to prevent those things but of course it doesn't suit the scaremongering remainers to admit that. This sort of deliberate misinformation is becoming a joke and he's gone down considerably in my estimation by stooping to that level of tripe.

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Labour promise spending splurge and to give loads of money away shock. Who'd have thought!!... :eek: :rolleyes:

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It's okay, there will be no delay, the Conservative Unionist Negotiating Team is on there way to Brussels, they already overcame accent issues at home in an superb example of how good they are at negotiating

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...one-is-saying/

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The Labour and Conservative parties are committed to a Brexit that ends the freedom of movement. This works both ways and I'm surprised you somehow don't appreciate the this. So the youth would be correct in their assertions...but voting Labour wouldn't change it as they're against freedom of movement as well.

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Theresa is a remainer and it's all going to plan. The woman is a genius.

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Why are you surprised? ;)

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The fox-hunting and dementia tax were particularly cunning devices to ensure a soft Brexit. ;)

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And of course, before we joined the Common Market, no one from the UK travelled to, or worked in Europe. How terribly oppressed we were back then! But wait... they did! :)

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Correct. Maybe he's not old enough to remember or maybe he just doesn't want to for some odd reason...

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The Europe of now is a starkly different place. Franco is no longer the dictator of Spain and the Iron Curtain has fallen. Countries that require more workers no longer need to look to the UK when they have Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe and Iberia to tap.
So, I'm afraid that when it comes to most British citizens seeking work in the EU post-Brexit, it will be more a case of "Auf Wiedersehen, der Brite!" and less a case of "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!"
Freedom of movement is a two-way thing.

Maybe he genuinely doesn't understand what freedom of movement is?

Intriguing story of how Saudi Arabia paid for pro-Brexit advertising on the Metro newspaper costing £282k funnelled through the DUP... even though the paper does not circulate in Northern Island!

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...83586?mode=amp

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...enges-theresa/
Another 'little' problem for Mother Theresa.
Hard Brexit is dead. Brexit itself isn't looking very 'strong and stable'.

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Agreed ..

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You are right. Her call for the GE was on a mandate for Hard Brexit. She did not get a mandate so has no basis on which to push Hard Brexit anymore. She need to listen to all the parties voices and agree a consensus position.

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Well they can do so now without visas or much, if any, paperwork. Won't it be more difficult to do those things post-Brexit?

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Incidentally Ruth Davidson is calling for a 'softer' Brexit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...enges-theresa/

Although equally there will be many backbenchers who'll refuse anything but a hard Brexit. I think we're now in a situation where there is a consensus in the commons for whatever form of Brexit that will eventually be offered.

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She'll say enough is enough to brexit soon

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Hard Brexit is still on the cards. TM cannot avoid that without alienating the right wing of her party.

Besides, if we remain in the common market, we have to accept freedom of movement, the European laws and Courts, all of which the majority of those who voted leave wanted to ditch.

A soft Brexit would be a betrayal, and the PM knows it.

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Tough luck, the right wing of her party will have to lump it. The country has shown they don't want hard brexit, and more importantly her new best buddies the DUP don't want it.

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That's not what sunk Theresa May, as you well know; it was her unexpected social care bombshell and subsequent hesitancy that did it.

If it hadn't been for that, her landslide victory would have been in the bag.

Anyways, if Theresa decided not to pursue hard Brexit, she would have a problem, because her right wing would cause maximum problems for her with their voting power.

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Hard brexit wasn't the reason the tories did so poorly it was an abysmal campaign with a ridiculously devisive manifesto and again I'll restate for those who clearly haven't read article 50 hard exit is basically the only option unless your prepared to pay massively both financially and in sovereign powers and even most remain supporters would oppose the levels necessary for a soft brexit. Theresa May for some reason that escapes all of us ran the most pathetic campaign and add in corbyns bribes for votes it was a near perfect political storm.

The consolation is that it just isn't possible for the tories to run another campaign like this so they will rebound while i think corbyn has peaked and it won't be long before labour resume the usual infighting.

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Most analysis I've read left and right seems to vindicate Mr K's statement - the country does not want a hard Brexit.
That's probably less important though than what the House of Commons wants. Here, Ruth Davidson is likely to pressure Theresa May for a softer Brexit. She has more MPs than the DUP and helped Theresa May cling onto power so her opinion should count for a lot.

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I'm with RizzyKing on this one.


Sadly, some politicians are prepared "to pay massively both financially and in sovereign powers"

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It could be but he didn't say that did he - he said they'd been deprived of the chance, not that it might be more difficult. A man of his intellect didn't do that by accident, it's deliberate misinformation and just the sort of nonsense which Labour circulated on social media targeting young people.

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Interesting analysis.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...81006.htmlback

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Hardly interesting.

Just more of the same from a pro eu publication. It's all been heard ad nausum.

It's no different from anti eu publications trotting out the same tedious statements slightly reworded to amuse the the intellectually challenged.

A moratorium on anything pretending to be news or comment would be appreciated unless either side has anything factually new to add.

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Maybe we should have a moratorium on people calling others stupid for having a different point of view :)

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The reality that Hard Brexit is dead is worrying some people. A compromise Brexit is the right path and the PM knows it ..

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The Times is reporting Philip Hammond has agreed to stay only if May prioritises jobs and the economy when it comes to Brexit and Ruth Davidson has thrown her support behind that as well. Even David Davies suggested the plan might be to be revisited.

The election may have been lost elsewhere but the fact remains May campaigned for a strong mandate for her version of Brexit and she didn't get it. She is going to have to listen to others now.

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I think we'll see more of this as the trade-off between jobs/wealth creation and a hard Brexit becomes more explicit. This would have happened regardless of the election result but organisations may be emboldened to make their needs more transparent rather than resorting to behind-the-scenes lobbying.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...exit-lcwm7mjng (paywall)

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Again, Theresa May did not lose seats because of 'hard Brexit'! It was the social care policy that upset her campaign.

A hard Brexit with agreements not to impose tariffs would surely be the better outcome economically than staying in the common market.

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Repeating an incorrect theory does not make it right. Hard Brexit and austerity were the key factors in helping the Conservatives fail to win a majority. The social care policy may have upset her campaign but the two are not the same.

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l think far more was at work in this election then that OB as there were 3 to 4 factors at work leading up to the final result of this election.

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One thing I will say about social care is this working in the NHS I see loads of patients come through that need social care packages that cost a fortune.

The peoples families don't want houses sold to fund it fair enough.

And neither do people want to pay more tax to fund it , caller after caller in the election phone ins to LBC said just that.

They were right to tackle social care as lots of people want it but nobody seemingly wants to pay.

A Exit with an agreement not to impose tariffs would be something no other country has negotiated thus far,even Norway and Switzerland whilst not being EU members have to pay into the pot for the EU access they get.

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Yay, well done Scotland! Mrs May has already voiced her appreciation by saying a muff is a muff. I think :blush:

I see Remoaning is still alive and well and grasping at straws :D

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As a remoaner I am reminded of a saying.

"He who laughs last laughs longest." ;);)

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Ha ha.

I really don't know what kind of Brexit we'll get. Mick correctly predicted Brexit, Trump and a hung Parliament so I will be keeping an eager eye out for his prediction on this.

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To be absolutely honest I think its way too early for any prediction.!

But Mick might make a good one based on his past form.:)

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l am no remoaner and never have been as l accepted the will of democracy with Brexit and the referendum so one has to accept the will of the electorate again which you perhaps should try sometimes.;)

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He seems to have gone rather quiet these past few days so perhaps he is still counting his winnings from the election.;):D

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"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

Yep, to be fair it was a side-splitter :sleep:


Grammar please! Thank you.

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Only if the bird in the hand is not left bereft of food.

What you have to remember , is this Nissan have only agreed to build one more line of cars in their sunderland plant prior to Brexit and only then reportedly after a government bung , Honda likewise.

Many of our infrastructure is paid for by us and the profits go abroad ,

For instance our water company is French owned, google to see how many of our utilities are European owned ,as well as those operating our national railway.

In short we want our country back but we still want you to run our services for us.

So if brexit goes belly up and we get a bad deal how do you think investment will go.?

As I have already pointed out those that get it wrong will go into hiding if all goes t-ts up.

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"Behind every Great Remoaner, there is a Great Buggerer" :D

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Yes sounds like a Teresa May Quote to me.;);)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

To remoan or not to remoan 'tis endless. :)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Will be interesting to see how the Conservative Party responds to this demand.
https://www.ft.com/content/49201a76-...8-997009366969 (Google headline in bold to read article)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Aww, it's much more fun when Mick is here running rings around you :(