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denphone 08-07-2017 10:03
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35906655)
The Vice president in action at NASA :D
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/07/3.jpg
Even a village fool like me would understand that clear message.

papa smurf 08-07-2017 10:10
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35906656)
Even a village fool like me would understand that clear message.
bit of spit and an old rag it'll be as good as new

Mick 08-07-2017 10:29
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35906656)
Even a village fool like me would understand that clear message.
Typical of Mr K telling half a story. :rolleyes:

Pence later joked he was dared to touch it by Sen. Rubio. And NASA also later came out to say the notice was a everyday general notice and that as papa says, a bit of spit and polish and it's good to go, it's a sheet of metal at the end of the day.

OLD BOY 08-07-2017 11:52
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35906656)
Even a village fool like me would understand that clear message.
Yes, Den, but he is just breaking the mould by being off message and hands on.

1andrew1 11-07-2017 01:00
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Will be interesting to see how this works out. Even Trump who's partial to things being named after him has been keen to avoid too close an association to this.

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Republican ‘kamikaze’ healthcare plan on life support

This is the week Republicans have craved for more than seven years — their chance to repeal Obamacare. Some time in the next few days the US Senate will either scrap most of Barack Obama’s signature achievement — the 2010 Affordable Care Act. Or they will abandon the effort for failure to find the votes. Either way, America is at a fraught crossroads in its never-ending healthcare saga.

If the Senate bill passes, up to 22m Americans could lose their insurance. Many more will experience a sharp reduction in healthcare support. If the vote fails, Obamacare will survive but very much as a zombie law — a stay of execution, rather than a pardon. The battle will continue. Neither outcome would be for keeps.

“Whatever happens, we are entering a period of deep uncertainty that will cause entirely avoidable damage to the US healthcare system,” says Douglas Elmendorf, dean of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard — and former head of the Congressional Budget Office. “This is a textbook example of how not to make legislation.”
https://www.ft.com/content/2d8996d8-...6-7b38dcaef614

Damien 11-07-2017 06:36
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40565091

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Donald Trump Junior was informed that information offered by a Russian lawyer was part of a Russian government effort to help his father's election campaign, the New York Times reports.
This would be the first time there has been a clear link. Where someone on Trump's campaign knowingly would have received information from Russia to help win the election. The information has apparently also been passed to the various committees in congress and the investigation.

1andrew1 11-07-2017 08:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907253)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40565091



This would be the first time there has been a clear link. Where someone on Trump's campaign knowingly would have received information from Russia to help win the election. The information has apparently also been passed to the various committees in congress and the investigation.
I'm sure Trump supporters will be urged to deny this as fake news from the mainstream media. But I'm more interested in who leaked it? Maybe Russia to keep Trump busy and less focused on issues like Ukraine and Syria?

nomadking 11-07-2017 08:14
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907253)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40565091



This would be the first time there has been a clear link. Where someone on Trump's campaign knowingly would have received information from Russia to help win the election. The information has apparently also been passed to the various committees in congress and the investigation.
Apparently no information was actually given, and if it had been, SO WHAT.

The people responsible for any wrongdoing or damaging information are the ones creating it, NOT the ones revealing it.

Whatever supposed "interference" by Russia, it pales into extreme insignificance compared to the foreign interference against Trump and the Republican campaign in general.

Damien 11-07-2017 08:36
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35907256)
Apparently no information was actually given, and if it had been, SO WHAT..
Because it could well be seen as collusion with the illegal actions of a foreign state in order to win an election, that's why.

If you can't see why that would be a problem I suggest you replace Trump with Corbyn. Let's say there were a number of stories whereby Russia (or a state you like less, let's say Germany) had committed a cyberattack against the Conservative Party and then asked to meet Corbyn's allies because they have damaging information that could help them win the election would you really be saying 'so what'?

The only reason it wouldn't literally be traitorous is because apparently you need to be in a state of war with the other party. It's complicity in the attack against the country by a foreign power.

nomadking 11-07-2017 09:11
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907259)
Because it could well be seen as collusion with the illegal actions of a foreign state in order to win an election, that's why.

If you can't see why that would be a problem I suggest you replace Trump with Corbyn. Let's say there were a number of stories whereby Russia (or a state you like less, let's say Germany) had committed a cyberattack against the Conservative Party and then asked to meet Corbyn's allies because they have damaging information that could help them win the election would you really be saying 'so what'?

The only reason it wouldn't literally be traitorous is because apparently you need to be in a state of war with the other party. It's complicity in the attack against the country by a foreign power.
So who created and wrongdoing or damaging information? The Democrats, and nobody else.

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Mrs Clinton's aide Huma Abedin, usually known for her unflinching loyalty, was blunt in her criticism of her boss over a Clinton Foundation summit in Morocco.
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The implication from the leaked emails is that a $12m donation from the king of Morocco was dependent on Mrs Clinton attending the summit.
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As the emails show, the ties that Mr Miliband and Mr Bisogniero, as well as other foreign officials, have with Clinton advisors run deep.
No foreign involvement there.:rolleyes:


Many organisations and individuals get hacking attempts and many of them from the UK and from elsewhere outside Russia.


Still mystified by what actually is meant to have influenced anything, other than possibly revealing the truth? What was it? Can anybody point out what is ultimately meant to have swung anything?


Trump had to first win the Republican selection process, so what evidence is there of interference in that?

Damien 11-07-2017 09:15
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35907271)
So who created and wrongdoing or damaging information? The Democrats, and nobody else.

No foreign involvement there.:rolleyes:
No one said you can't have connections with foreigners. We're saying you can't be complicit in foreigners (or nationals) hacking your country to influence an election.

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Many organisations and individuals get hacking attempts and many of them from the UK and from elsewhere outside Russia.
and those are just as illegal. There are stabbings every single day as well, that wouldn't be an effective defense in court though.

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Still mystified by what actually is meant to have influenced anything, other than possibly revealing the truth? What was it? Can anybody point out what is ultimately meant to have swung anything?
Doesn't matter if it didn't swing a single vote. It's still not acceptable to have foreign powers attacking your country.

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Trump had to first win the Republican selection process, so what evidence is there of interference in that?
None. The accusations relate to the hacking of the DNC and the subsequent Wikileaking of their e-mails over the course of the campaign.

Mick 11-07-2017 09:50
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907273)
Doesn't matter if it didn't swing a single vote. It's still not acceptable to have foreign powers attacking your country.
American politics 101. Candidates attempt to dig dirt on each other all the time.

But come on, you're right. How many times has the US 'attacked' and interfered in foreign Elections?

You had a CNN Producer caught on tape saying the likes of the CIA had rigged foreign elections for years and I said this other day in another thread, Barack Obama coming here, interfering in our EU Referendum by making a intervention, in the form of Blackmail but I guess it was totally okay to do because he was aligned with the remainers. :rolleyes:

Damien 11-07-2017 10:01
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907278)
American politics 101. Candidates attempt to dig dirt on each other all the time.

But come on, you're right. How many times has the US 'attacked' and interfered in foreign Elections?

You had a CNN Producer caught on tape saying the likes of the CIA had rigged foreign elections for years and I said this other day in another thread, Barack Obama coming here, interfering in our EU Referendum by making a intervention, in the form of Blackmail but I guess it was totally okay to do because he was aligned with the remainers. :rolleyes:
What Obama did wasn't illegal. People are allowed to pontificate publicly on such matters even if it's rather unorthodox and rude.

But Speech not illegal. Hacking illegal. That's a rather big difference.

Now we don't know exactly what has happened with this as it's an ongoing case. However hypothetically would you be fine had Corbyn's allies talked with Russia about leaking information they obtained via hacking the Tories? Or would you think that's rather traitorous?

Mick 11-07-2017 10:23
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907281)
What Obama did wasn't illegal. People are allowed to pontificate publicly on such matters even if it's rather unorthodox and rude.

But Speech not illegal. Hacking illegal. That's a rather big difference.
Legalities aside, it is still a foreign interference.

But getting back to the DNC.... Who actually hacked though..?..

None of the servers were handed over to the FBI and afaik still haven't.

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Originally Posted by Damien
Now we don't know exactly what has happened with this as it's an ongoing case. However hypothetically would you be fine had Corbyn's allies talked with Russia about leaking information they obtained via hacking the Tories? Or would you think that's rather traitorous?
No foreign intervention is fine, but I struggle to condemn such activity when the US are no angels, they cannot play victim when it suits, when it's a case of them who casts the first stone.

Damien 11-07-2017 11:12
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907290)
But getting back to the DNC.... Who actually hacked though..?..

None of the servers were handed over to the FBI and afaik still haven't.
There are two hacks. The hacking of the DNC and the hacking of Clinton's campaign manager. Most of the issues here focus on the former and I believe those servers were handed over - but could be wrong - they haven't been in the latter case but that's because it was a gmail account.

Damien 11-07-2017 16:27
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Trump Jr has released the e-mail itself: https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/s...89839522140166

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This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin
Which confirms he knew this information was coming from the Russian Government itself! That wasn't even the NYTimes story! They said it was an attorney who knows prominent Russians but a private attorney. Here Donald Trump Jr is told, ahead of the meeting, that it's the Russian Government! Why did he release it?

edit: looks like he might have been trying to get ahead of the NYTimes who have the e-mails: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/u...e-iphone-share

Hugh 11-07-2017 16:33
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2 Attachment(s)
Copy of email which Donald Trump Jnr has posted on his Twitter feed (as Damien has posted above).

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...0&d=1499787303

Damien 11-07-2017 16:53
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It's because NYTimes were doing a story. The timestamps show they came out about the same time.

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Donald Trump's son and campaign met with Russian government officials to discuss incriminating information on Clinton 'as part of Russia's support for Mr Trump' and they knew this. :shocked: They knew it was the Russian government when they took the meeting.

And the FBI Director was fired whilst investigating it.

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Back in May....:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98775731818496


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Again, the story that there was collusion between the Russians & Trump campaign was fabricated by Dems as an excuse for losing the election.


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Here's a full story: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=48567195

1andrew1 11-07-2017 20:45
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907378)
It's because NYTimes were doing a story. The timestamps show they came out about the same time.

---------- Post added at 16:42 ---------- Previous post was at 16:37 ----------

Donald Trump's son and campaign met with Russian government officials to discuss incriminating information on Clinton 'as part of Russia's support for Mr Trump' and they knew this. :shocked: They knew it was the Russian government when they took the meeting.

And the FBI Director was fired whilst investigating it.

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Back in May....:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98775731818496




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Here's a full story: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=48567195
Sadly, the impression I get is that Trump has really been taking the mick out of his supporters. To any Trump supporters reading this, I'm sorry that you've been lied to, you totally deserve better. I believe that you sincerely believed in what Trump told you and Trump was clever into convincing people not to trust the media and instead to follow his tweets and YouTube broadcasts. He's not the first politician to lie but he came from outside the establishment and promised a new approach.

Mick 11-07-2017 21:25
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907414)
Sadly, the impression I get is that Trump has really been taking the mick out of his supporters. To any Trump supporters reading this, I'm sorry that you've been lied to, you totally deserve better. I don't think of you as gullible fools, I believe that you sincerely believed in what Trump told you and Trump was clever into convincing people not to trust the media and instead to follow his tweets and YouTube broadcasts. He's not the first politician to lie but he came from outside the establishment and promised a new approach.
You're talking as if it is the end of the Trump Presidency. There is a long way to go before this gets to where it could go. But even so, I am still glad Hillary lost.

There is no angels on either side of this story and her losing is all I cared about. I have said this from day one.

I have already seen a few desperate comments from some on the left, screaming 'impeach, impeach now!, lets get Hillary in office.'

I hate to bring it to them, but they will be crying for ever more, that if and that's a big if, if Trump is removed or resigns from office, Pence becomes the next President, but there are some even saying get Pence too, because they think, this will then allow Hillary to become President, big fat no, Paul Ryan, house speaker, is next in line and so on, not her and this still pleases me immensely.

It's interesting to note that there is a JFK, (John. F. Kelly), currently in this line of succession. But he's like the 17th person. :erm:

Damien 11-07-2017 21:46
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You have to be careful with talk of Impeachment. Mick's right we're not at that stage yet, people need to be vary wary of impeaching a democratically elected President. Given the atmosphere in politics it wouldn't be isolated to Trump, the next President will have people looking for impeachment as well.

If impeachment were to happen you could need clear illegal activity or gross abuse of power that is clear for all to see. Most of the country would need to see that it's a justified impeachment. We're not there yet.

Trump is getting closer to it than we've seen since Bill Clinton and the affair. There still isn't any direct implication to Trump himself but this e-mail chain implicates his campaign manager and his son.

At the moment the riskiest thing is that he fired the FBI Director. Given that it now seems this was at least one part of what he was investigating then it looks really bad. He fired the guy who was investigating his Son and campaign manager for alleged collusion with the Russians! Remember it was the cover-up that got Nixon in the end.

By the way how stupid is that e-mail chain? Why was he was open in e-mail!? Who writes down such incriminating stuff in a medium which is trackable, hackable and can be obtained quite easily. Especially when running against someone who got in trouble because their e-mails leaked. :dunce:

Mick 11-07-2017 22:21
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907424)
You have to be careful with talk of Impeachment. Mick's right we're not at that stage yet, people need to be vary wary of impeaching a democratically elected President. Given the atmosphere in politics it wouldn't be isolated to Trump, the next President will have people looking for impeachment as well.

If impeachment were to happen you could need clear illegal activity or gross abuse of power that is clear for all to see. Most of the country would need to see that it's a justified impeachment. We're not there yet.

Trump is getting closer to it than we've seen since Bill Clinton and the affair. There still isn't any direct implication to Trump himself but this e-mail chain implicates his campaign manager and his son.

At the moment the riskiest thing is that he fired the FBI Director. Given that it now seems this was at least one part of what he was investigating then it looks really bad. He fired the guy who was investigating his Son and campaign manager for alleged collusion with the Russians! Remember it was the cover-up that got Nixon in the end.

By the way how stupid is that e-mail chain? Why was he was open in e-mail!? Who writes down such incriminating stuff in a medium which is trackable, hackable and can be obtained quite easily. Especially when running against someone who got in trouble because their e-mails leaked. :dunce:
If you ask me, I think Trump is bored of the Presidency, I got that impression last week at the G20, it seemed an effort for him to be there, in one photo opportunity, he seemed uninterested and our own PM tapped him twice on the shoulders to get him to turn around and in one meeting at the G20, he stepped out of it and he got his own daughter, Ivanka to sit in which rightfully raised a few eyebrows. I do not usually jump in on the criticism bandwagon but that was totally wrong her sitting there like that.

Damien 11-07-2017 22:25
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I agree but I think he's been like that early one. Hence all the trips to his golf course. I'm not sure he really wanted to win when he started his campaign, maybe thought it would be good PR but did very well and competitive instinct took over.

1andrew1 11-07-2017 23:02
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907432)
I agree but I think he's been like that early one. Hence all the trips to his golf course. I'm not sure he really wanted to win when he started his campaign, maybe thought it would be good PR but did very well and competitive instinct took over.
I think he liked the attention and it became like winning The Apprentice for him. His likes to delegate and focus on his strengths which works in a private company. But in public office, delegating meetings to his daughter which he probably wouldn't enjoy just rubs up the elected politicians who are there in person.

RizzyKing 12-07-2017 07:40
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Being honest i think he's out of his depth and he's starting to realise it, it's one thing to talk about changing this that and the other it's a totally different thing when you have to try and fight the established system in washington that i think trump clearly underestimated. The saddest part of this is that it was a great chance to fundamentally alter US politics and return the government more to the people that may well be lost because it was trump that rode that wave of dissatisfaction. If he goes too quick it will be looked at as a blip rather then the desperate wish for change that many americans based their vote on, he has to stick it out and keep trying to affect change because if he just quits americans will never forgive him.

1andrew1 12-07-2017 08:14
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35907447)
Being honest i think he's out of his depth and he's starting to realise it, it's one thing to talk about changing this that and the other it's a totally different thing when you have to try and fight the established system in washington that i think trump clearly underestimated. The saddest part of this is that it was a great chance to fundamentally alter US politics and return the government more to the people that may well be lost because it was trump that rode that wave of dissatisfaction. If he goes too quick it will be looked at as a blip rather then the desperate wish for change that many americans based their vote on, he has to stick it out and keep trying to affect change because if he just quits americans will never forgive him.
Good analysis. I wonder if his businesses will suffer from his presidency?

Mick 12-07-2017 10:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35907447)
Being honest i think he's out of his depth and he's starting to realise it, it's one thing to talk about changing this that and the other it's a totally different thing when you have to try and fight the established system in washington that i think trump clearly underestimated. The saddest part of this is that it was a great chance to fundamentally alter US politics and return the government more to the people that may well be lost because it was trump that rode that wave of dissatisfaction. If he goes too quick it will be looked at as a blip rather then the desperate wish for change that many americans based their vote on, he has to stick it out and keep trying to affect change because if he just quits americans will never forgive him.
Trump has so far deflected all scandals thrown his way. If he can maintain GOP support, he ain't going anywhere.

It will be the Mid Terms that will depend on his future. A strong Democrat majority in Congress, after mid terms, will see Trump ousted.

Republicans want to get on with the business of changing laws and setting new ones, they own both chambers of Congress and they own the White House, they would still own it if Trump is removed, with Mike Pence sworn in as the 46th President, if any indictments get levied, Pence may Pardon Trump people.

A sitting President cannot be indicted, they have to be removed, impeached and that is a political process, not a common law court case process. The Senate requires a two thirds vote majority to remove a President from office.

If President Trump starts losing GOP backing, he'll be on dodgy ground. But the Republican Senators have to be careful too, because if they vote to remove a democratically elected President, the public may revolt, Trump still has a very strong support base, so Republicans may lose ground and Democrats regain control in both chambers of Congress. Republicans have won all 5 Congressional Seats that have gone up for grabs since Trumps inauguration. The last Seat in Georgia saw the Democrats throw millions of dollars, record amounts to try grab the Seat but they failed after having spent a fortune trying to win it.

papa smurf 12-07-2017 10:48
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i wonder if the citizens of the USA are trying this hard to find dirt on and get rid of our PM :shrug:

Kursk 12-07-2017 10:51
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The American people voted for the change that President Trump offered. If the established system won't embrace that change there will be repercussions. Same applies here in relation to Brexit.

It is wholly wrong to attempt to subvert the will of the people.

Damien 12-07-2017 11:06
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907459)
It will be the Mid Terms that will depend on his future. A strong Democrat majority in Congress, after mid terms, will see Trump ousted.
They might not. It would be two years from the General Election and they might prefer to keep him in place, run against him and even hope the Republicans tear themselves part deciding if he should have an uncontested primary (assuming he would want to run again - big assumption).

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35907460)
i wonder if the citizens of the USA are trying this hard to find dirt on and get rid of our PM :shrug:
No but the dirt here is being uncovered by Americans. We're pretty ruthless to our politicians and if our press could find something on May they would.

papa smurf 12-07-2017 11:06
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35907461)
The American people voted for the change that President Trump offered. If the established system won't embrace that change there will be repercussions. Same applies here in relation to Brexit.

It is wholly wrong to attempt to subvert the will of the people.
i find it disturbing how many people here want to interfere in American politics it's bad enough what they are trying to do to our own .

Damien 12-07-2017 11:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35907461)
The American people voted for the change that President Trump offered. If the established system won't embrace that change there will be repercussions. Same applies here in relation to Brexit.

It is wholly wrong to attempt to subvert the will of the people.
Trump and the Republicans are in the majority in all three branches of government. They have the power to do an awful lot now but as they're finding out with healthcare it's not that easy.

Kursk 12-07-2017 13:47
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35907465)
i find it disturbing how many people here want to interfere in American politics it's bad enough what they are trying to do to our own .
I agree. The decision of the American people should be respected and as their closest ally we should respect their elected President.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907466)
Trump and the Republicans are in the majority in all three branches of government. They have the power to do an awful lot now but as they're finding out with healthcare it's not that easy.
Then it is good that they are being measured in what they do.

nomadking 12-07-2017 13:52
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907307)
There are two hacks. The hacking of the DNC and the hacking of Clinton's campaign manager. Most of the issues here focus on the former and I believe those servers were handed over - but could be wrong - they haven't been in the latter case but that's because it was a gmail account.
It wasn't just those 2 there were ATTEMPTED to be hacked. They are just the 2 that were successful. It still depended on what was found.

Hugh 12-07-2017 14:08
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35907496)
It wasn't just those 2 there were ATTEMPTED to be hacked. They are just the 2 that were successful. It still depended on what was found.
The RNC was hacked as well, just not released.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN14U2DD

passingbat 12-07-2017 15:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907307)
There are two hacks. The hacking of the DNC and the hacking of Clinton's campaign manager. Most of the issues here focus on the former and I believe those servers were handed over - but could be wrong - they haven't been in the latter case but that's because it was a gmail account.

The DNC refused to let the FBI examine their servers. Whether the DNC have handed them over now, I don't know; I've been out of the loop for a few weeks.

From an admittedly Trump supporting network:

Hannity Exclusive 7/11/17: Interview Donald Trump Jr ABOUT MEETING W/ RUSSIAN LAWYER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48o79L2XGYc

Hugh 12-07-2017 16:09
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35907520)
The DNC refused to let the FBI examine their servers. Whether the DNC have handed them over now, I don't know; I've been out of the loop for a few weeks.

From an admittedly Trump supporting network:

Hannity Exclusive 7/11/17: Interview Donald Trump Jr ABOUT MEETING W/ RUSSIAN LAWYER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48o79L2XGYc
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ess-dnc-serve/
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In his testimony in January on the cyber attacks, then-director of the FBI James Comey said the agency never got access to the machines themselves, but obtained access to the forensics from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm.

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this my folks tell me was an appropriate substitute," Comey said.

"The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers," Watson said. She added that the copy contains the same information as the physical server.

The FBI joined CrowdStrike’s efforts to boot Russia from the server, but then-Homeland Security Department secretary Jeh Johnson complained the DNC rebuffed their offer to help. This was because Russia was already out of their system by then.

passingbat 12-07-2017 19:31
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35907532)


So, why didn't the DNC give the FBI access to the actual machine? Did they have something to hide, such as screwing over Bernie Sanders? Makes you wonder.

1andrew1 12-07-2017 20:04
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35907465)
i find it disturbing how many people here want to interfere in American politics it's bad enough what they are trying to do to our own .
I quite agree. And what's the weather like in Moscow these days? ;)

papa smurf 12-07-2017 20:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907572)
I quite agree. And what's the weather like in Moscow these days? ;)
wet

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ru/mos...orecast/294021

Hugh 12-07-2017 21:38
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35907566)
So, why didn't the DNC give the FBI access to the actual machine? Did they have something to hide, such as screwing over Bernie Sanders? Makes you wonder.
Well, it didn't seem to matter to the FBI.

I wonder why the hackers didn't release the RNC information? Did they have something to hide? Makes you wonder.

passingbat 12-07-2017 22:24
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35907592)

I wonder why the hackers didn't release the RNC information? Did they have something to hide? Makes you wonder.

Agreed.

Mick 12-07-2017 22:27
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35907592)
Well, it didn't seem to matter to the FBI.
Wonder if that was former US Attorney General's Lyretta Lynch's doing... given she wasn't classing what was a, 'Criminal Investigation' in to Hillary's email server, instead referring it to a 'matter', oh no, actually that's what she told Comey to say it was to the press because this was the same language the Clinton campaign was using. :rolleyes:

But the whole investigation was pathetic anyway. Pages and pages of FBI official documentation has been released into the half-arsed investigation. Heavily redacted but still telling nonetheless.

https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton

Email devices, phones without their simcards, ipads, blackberry's all wiped before being handed over. Phones that could not be wiped, instead hammered. Smell of 'Obstruction of justice'. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 12-07-2017 23:20
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907597)
Wonder if that was former US Attorney General's Lyretta Lynch's doing... given she wasn't classing what was a, 'Criminal Investigation' in to Hillary's email server, instead referring it to a 'matter', oh no, actually that's what she told Comey to say it was to the press because this was the same language the Clinton campaign was using. :rolleyes:

But the whole investigation was pathetic anyway. Pages and pages of FBI official documentation has been released into the half-arsed investigation. Heavily redacted but still telling nonetheless.

https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton

Email devices, phones without their simcards, ipads, blackberry's all wiped before being handed over. Phones that could not be wiped, instead hammered. The smell of 'Obstruction of justice'. :rolleyes:
To me, Hilary is history, was never President and there's plenty of threads about her anyway. What's more relevant on a thread about Trump is some considered thoughts on the current situation. Fortunately, Sky News has come to the rescue:
Quote:
Donald Trump Jr's emails show him enthusiastically responding to the offer of help from the Russian government to interfere in the US election.
It is an offence not to report such interference.
Mr Trump Jr says no useful help materialised in that meeting, but that may not be enough to extricate him from legal jeopardy.
The Watergate Scandal that brought down Richard Nixon established the principle that presidents may be held accountable for the actions of their officials.
Congressional committees will now haul Mr Trump Jr in for a grilling. His testimony under oath may play an important role in determining the fate of his father's presidency.
Equally important will be the information investigators have already gathered about the meeting and others, but not yet made public.
http://news.sky.com/story/russia-ema...dency-10946416

Mick 12-07-2017 23:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907602)
To me, Hilary is history, was never President and there's plenty of threads about her anyway. What's more relevant on a thread about Trump is some considered thoughts on the current situation. Fortunately, Sky News has come to the rescue:

http://news.sky.com/story/russia-ema...dency-10946416
The FBI document dump is a 'current situation' as it just happened.

I have already outlined Trump's fate in a early post, Damien could also be right in one aspect also, so no, Sky News, they have not come to rescue at all and you cannot just brush obstruction of justice in one case, to one side when it suits Andrew.

1andrew1 13-07-2017 00:11
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907603)
The FBI document dump is a 'current situation' as it just happened.

I have already outlined Trump's fate in a early post, Damien could also be right in one aspect also, so no, Sky News, they have not come to rescue at all and you cannot just brush obstruction of justice in one case, to one side when it suits Andrew.
She may well have been obstructive but if so, her misadventures merit their own narrative thread? I'm interested in reading about Trump but every time I visit the thread, someone always seems to try and divert attention away to Hillary. I'm sure it's intended well but I'm here to read about the President, not a former Secretary of State.

Mick 13-07-2017 00:49
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907604)
She may well have been obstructive but if so, her misadventures merit their own narrative thread? I'm interested in reading about Trump but every time I visit the thread, someone always seems to try and divert attention away to Hillary. I'm sure it's intended well but I'm here to read about the President, not a former Secretary of State.
You're out of luck as they are interconnected because they shared the same Election race and as Trump himself keeps bringing her up, she is relevant in this thread.

TheDaddy 13-07-2017 04:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907431)
If you ask me, I think Trump is bored of the Presidency, I got that impression last week at the G20, it seemed an effort for him to be there, in one photo opportunity, he seemed uninterested and our own PM tapped him twice on the shoulders to get him to turn around and in one meeting at the G20, he stepped out of it and he got his own daughter, Ivanka to sit in which rightfully raised a few eyebrows. I do not usually jump in on the criticism bandwagon but that was totally wrong her sitting there like that.
Might be an accurate assessment, I did wonder if he'd get bored once he realised it's really, really hard for politicians to get anything done, must be hard for business people used to getting things done their own way ASAP to step into this environment plus his wife looked thoroughly bored with it all on day one, at the inauguration

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907606)
You're out of luck as they are interconnected because they shared the same Election race and as Trump himself keeps bringing her up, she is relevant in this thread.
Why does he keep bringing her up, you think he'd want to keep quiet about not locking her up

nomadking 13-07-2017 05:20
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35907501)
The RNC was hacked as well, just not released.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN14U2DD
Quote:
Russia hacked into Republican state political campaigns and old email domains of the Republican National Committee but there is no evidence it successfully penetrated President-elect Donald Trump's campaign, FBI Director James Comey said on Tuesday.
So nothing connected to the Presidential campaign was successful. Shows that whoever was responsible did try. Why would a Trump supporter try to hack them?

Quote:
Comey also told lawmakers Russia did not release information obtained from the state campaigns or the old RNC email domains, comments that may buttress the U.S. intelligence view that Moscow tried to help Trump against Democrat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 campaign.
U.S. intelligence agencies on Friday released an assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a covert effort to help Republican Trump's electoral chances by discrediting Clinton.
Views and assessments are hardly proof. You wouldn't need to be physically in Russia to do anything. You could set up shop in the US and nobody could possibly connect anything.

Still really have seen what was meant to have an impact that was enough to change anything. How many of the voters would have been thoroughly analysing any report? Any potential impact would not only had to have been enough to overturn the onslaught from the media/Hollywood(some of whom would have been foreigners) and foreign governments, but to turn voters towards him and not simply not voting for Hillary. Quite some achievement, whatever it was.

---------- Post added at 05:20 ---------- Previous post was at 05:16 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907604)
She may well have been obstructive but if so, her misadventures merit their own narrative thread? I'm interested in reading about Trump but every time I visit the thread, someone always seems to try and divert attention away to Hillary. I'm sure it's intended well but I'm here to read about the President, not a former Secretary of State.
But this is all meant to be about Trump winning by supposedly attacking Presidential candidate, Hillary. So it's definitely relevant. How can it not be?:rolleyes:

papa smurf 13-07-2017 08:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907604)
She may well have been obstructive but if so, her misadventures merit their own narrative thread? I'm interested in reading about Trump but every time I visit the thread, someone always seems to try and divert attention away to Hillary. I'm sure it's intended well but I'm here to read about the President, not a former Secretary of State.
i feel your pain i keep visiting the brexit thread and a couple of wallys keep banging on about staying in the EU i'm only interested in leaving .......

Hugh 13-07-2017 11:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907597)
Wonder if that was former US Attorney General's Lyretta Lynch's doing... given she wasn't classing what was a, 'Criminal Investigation' in to Hillary's email server, instead referring it to a 'matter', oh no, actually that's what she told Comey to say it was to the press because this was the same language the Clinton campaign was using. :rolleyes:

But the whole investigation was pathetic anyway. Pages and pages of FBI official documentation has been released into the half-arsed investigation. Heavily redacted but still telling nonetheless.

https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton

Email devices, phones without their simcards, ipads, blackberry's all wiped before being handed over. Phones that could not be wiped, instead hammered. Smell of 'Obstruction of justice'. :rolleyes:
Actually, we were discussing the DNC servers which were hacked by the Russians (according to the US Intelligence Community), not Hillary Clinton's email servers - two different things, often conflated. ;)

papa smurf 13-07-2017 14:12
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
ALIENS warned about Donald Trump: ET Abductees' told of 'threat to Earth,' claims expert

PEOPLE allegedly abducted by aliens were warned by ETs that "something bad was coming" during the US presidential election campaign last year, it has shockingly been claimed.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/...estival-aliens

people abducted "feel a sense of urgency and fear for the future" as a result.

wow this explains it all

is this the smoking phasor you have been waiting for

pip08456 13-07-2017 14:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
It's Phasers but I think they've now updated to Blasters (they give a bigger kick!).

Sounds like she's made a good living out of abductees over 25yrs and wants to keep the dollars coming in!

Hugh 14-07-2017 16:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
When the French Army plays Daft Punk to Donald Trump.

https://twitter.com/franceinfo/statu...03763818221568

Surreal...

(properly kicks off around 0:43 in)

1andrew1 14-07-2017 21:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35907833)
When the French Army plays Daft Punk to Donald Trump.

https://twitter.com/franceinfo/statu...03763818221568

Surreal...

(properly kicks off around 0:43 in)
Really funny. Generational differences. Trump should have sent his daughter. https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...type=2&theater

Dude111 15-07-2017 04:15
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I'm sure Trump supporters will be urged to deny this as fake news from the mainstream media.
They are so brainwashed they wont admit trump is wrong NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES!!!!

This is the most corrupt administration EVER in the white house...... THEY ARE LAUGHING STOCKS!!

Hugh 15-07-2017 08:40
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Calm down, dear...

papa smurf 15-07-2017 08:58
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
if only the crazy lying lady had won eh ;)

Hugh 15-07-2017 12:25
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35907915)
if only the crazy lying lady had won eh ;)
Instead, the crazy lying bankrupt man won, eh ;)

Kursk 15-07-2017 12:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35907941)
Instead, the crazy lying bankrupt man won, eh ;)
Calm down, dear...

Mick 15-07-2017 14:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 35907888)

This is the most corrupt administration EVER in the white house...... THEY ARE LAUGHING STOCKS!!
Stop shouting.

You are wrong on so many levels.

Recent Historical White House Scandals....

37th President of the United States, Richard Nixon probably carries the most corrupt title in the White House in recent times, given he had to resign, the only President to do so to date, as he was about to be impeached, re Watergate Scandal.

42nd President of the United States, Bill Clinton, impeachment proceedings were carried out against him, one for perjury, one for obstruction of justice, four charges were levied against him in the House of Representatives, two charges passed and it went to trial in the Senate, in which he was later acquitted. He was being sued by Paula Jones for Sexual Assault, which was later settled out of court, then there is all the issues with the Clinton Foundation, pay to play for speeches, the Clintons have made hundreds of millions of dollars on speeches.

Then there is the Benghazi issue with Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State under the Obama Presidency, in which four Americans were ambushed and killed in the US Embassy, she told a few porkies on this one, telling the American people one thing and in an email, telling her family another thing.

43rd President of the United States, George. W. Bush would probably be next, given he carried us and other nations in to an illegal war, based on a lie of WMD.

And as recent as the last President, Barack Obama, 44th POTUS, said to have illegally spied on Americans, with some suggestions these issues were worse than Watergate.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/102284058/

So while Trump is without headaches or issues, he ain't the most corrupted.

1andrew1 15-07-2017 15:06
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Them Ruskie revelations just keeps on a-comin' boy! They make old Billy Boy Clinton look more like an angel every day!
Quote:
Ex-Soviet 'spy' admits meeting Donald Trump Junior in 2016
The latest revelation adds another shift in the tale that has sparked questions over the Trump campaign's ties to Russia.
An ex-Russian "spy" has admitted he attended a controversial meeting with Donald Trump's son in 2016.
Rinat Akhmetshin, named in US Senate documents as a former "Soviet counter-intelligence officer", confirmed he was present at the discussion Mr Trump Jr had with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya.
He claimed the meeting was billed as part of a Russian government effort to help Mr Trump during last year's US presidential election campaign...
The latest revelation adds another shift to the tale that has sparked questions over the Trump campaign's ties to Russia.
http://news.sky.com/story/russian-lo...-2016-10948588

---------- Post added at 15:06 ---------- Previous post was at 15:03 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35907941)
Instead, the crazy lying bankrupt man won, eh ;)
lol but I'm not sure either is crazy.

Mick 15-07-2017 15:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907968)
Them Ruskie revelations just keeps on a-comin' boy! They make old Billy Boy Clinton look more like an angel every day!

http://news.sky.com/story/russian-lo...-2016-10948588

---------- Post added at 15:06 ---------- Previous post was at 15:03 ----------

lol but I'm not sure either is crazy.
They certainly don't make him or her look like an angel at all....

I agree with the guy who recently paid for the following Billboard covering.....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...as-with-giant/

"ABC News: I grew up with you. We are through. The Russians did not elect Donald Trump, I DID."

Not often I agree with vandals efforts but, think I will applaud who ever did this....

https://twitter.com/Newsday/status/8...311424/photo/1

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/16/po...rnd/index.html

Osem 15-07-2017 17:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I think a few people around here ought to check out what JFK got up to during his tenure then judge Trump by the same standards.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...agey-president

pip08456 15-07-2017 18:13
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
There's more than that if you care to look instead of taking in everything the Liberal MSM throw at you.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/...984-elections/


https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-d...ranium-company

Osem 15-07-2017 18:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
A lot more yes.

Damien 15-07-2017 18:48
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The New Yorker is almost the definition of liberal media

1andrew1 15-07-2017 19:25
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35907982)
There's more than that if you care to look instead of taking in everything the Liberal MSM throw at you.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/...984-elections/


https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-d...ranium-company
If the New Yorker isn't liberal mainstream media, then I'm a Brexiter! :D

pip08456 15-07-2017 19:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
You two didn't see what I did there did you?

Liberal = Democrat.:D

1andrew1 16-07-2017 12:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Whilst The Sun is not the best of sources, other newspapers are starting to pick up on this story too. So much for the UK being first in the call for state visits and trade deals!
Quote:
Brazen Donald Trump urged the PM to “fix it” for him to get a warm welcome in Britain.
The US President made his shameless plea in a private conversation with Theresa May to plan his state visit — now postponed until next year. A transcript of the chat, seen by senior diplomats, reveals his touchiness. Mr Trump says: “I haven’t had great coverage out there lately, Theresa.”
She replies awkwardly: “Well, you know what the British press are like.”
He replies: “I still want to come, but I’m in no rush.
“So, if you can fix it for me, it would make things a lot easier.
“When I know I’m going to get a better reception, I’ll come and not before.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/402731...may-tape-leak/[I]

pip08456 16-07-2017 12:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908028)
Whilst The Sun is not the best of sources, other newspapers are starting to pick up on this story too. So much for the UK being first in the call for state visits and trade deals!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/402731...may-tape-leak/[I]
What has that got to do with any trade deal?

1andrew1 16-07-2017 13:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35908029)
What has that got to do with any trade deal?
If the US administration won't honour a simple promise then what chance is there of its honouring a complex promise?

pip08456 16-07-2017 13:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908037)
If the US administration won't honour a simple promise then what chance is there of its honouring a complex promise?
Which simple promise are you referring to?

1andrew1 16-07-2017 14:02
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35908038)
Which simple promise are you referring to?
Visiting the UK this year was promised when Theresa May visited Washington this January. Multiple sources are reporting that this won't happen this year.

pip08456 16-07-2017 14:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Was there ever a date set for it?

1andrew1 16-07-2017 14:22
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35908043)
Was there ever a date set for it?
We got this:

Quote:
Visiting the UK this year was promised when Theresa May visited Washington this January. Multiple sources are reporting that this won't happen this year.

Mick 16-07-2017 16:58
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Sigh. SSDD.

No date was set, or was ever set. No official date has ever been set or given. No promises have ever been made.

It doesn't need a President to come to arrange trade deals. But it would be courteous to extend a invitation, as there are just as many people who would welcome the President as those who don't.

If we can allow the Chinese President to come, with all the trimmings, with a civilisation with dubious human rights records, we can allow President Donald J Trump to come and yes, I would have said same if Hillary Clinton had won, as crooked as I think the Clintons come.

1andrew1 16-07-2017 21:55
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35908076)
Sigh. SSDD.

No date was set, or was ever set. No official date has ever been set or given. No promises have ever been made.

It doesn't need a President to come to arrange trade deals. But it would be courteous to extend a invitation, as there are just as many people who would welcome the President as those who don't.

If we can allow the Chinese President to come, with all the trimmings, with a civilisation with dubious human rights records, we can allow President Donald J Trump to come and yes, I would have said same if Hillary Clinton had won, as crooked as I think the Clintons come.
Firstly, I agree with you that we should allow Trump to visit. He's certainly not the worst leader to visit the UK by a long mile. He may not go down too well with the Royal Family for his comments about Lady Diana and his ignorance of global warming but they've hard far worse guests to entertain.

I do have a couple of sighs I'm afraid though. Sorry.
Sigh No.1 The pesky mainstream media reported back in January 2017 that Trump had agreed to visit this year.
Sigh No. 2 No one has said the President needs to visit the UK to arrange trade deals, that's a straw man. I'll reiterate the point I made. If a small promise is not kept then the chances of a large promise like a trade deal is reduced.

pip08456 16-07-2017 23:14
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908114)
I'll reiterate the point I made. If a small promise is not kept then the chances of a large promise like a trade deal is reduced.
That is nothing more than your opinion which you are quite entitled to.

papa smurf 17-07-2017 08:58
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
trump is not going to visit if thousands of hate peddling scruffy libtards are on the streets spoiling his visit for the millions who want him to come , once the government stop these vile hate filled morons we will get a visit , a visiting head of state should be treated with respect especially the head of our closest ally .

passingbat 17-07-2017 11:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908132)
trump is not going to visit if thousands of hate peddling scruffy libtards are on the streets spoiling his visit for the millions who want him to come , once the government stop these vile hate filled morons we will get a visit , a visiting head of state should be treated with respect especially the head of our closest ally .

Quite frankly, the way the British media have behaved, by pushing a biased view of Trump, you could not blame Trump, if he told the British to, 'Go take a running jump!

Hugh 17-07-2017 11:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35908140)
Quite frankly, the way the British media have behaved, by pushing a biased view of Trump, you could not blame Trump, if he told the British to, 'Go take a running jump!
Yes, how biased are they, reporting what he and his family actually say and do.

Why can't they just copy Fox News and blindly praise him?

papa smurf 17-07-2017 11:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35908140)
Quite frankly, the way the British media have behaved, by pushing a biased view of Trump, you could not blame Trump, if he told the British to, 'Go take a running jump!
i blame the rent a retard mob that turn up at the drop of a hat .

i read yesterday that quite a lot of prominent reporters are now in need of security guards to protect them [the price of picking sides]

Damien 17-07-2017 11:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908132)
trump is not going to visit if thousands of hate peddling scruffy libtards are on the streets spoiling his visit for the millions who want him to come , once the government stop these vile hate filled morons we will get a visit , a visiting head of state should be treated with respect especially the head of our closest ally .
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35908140)
Quite frankly, the way the British media have behaved, by pushing a biased view of Trump, you could not blame Trump, if he told the British to, 'Go take a running jump!
We have a free press and the right to protest. Saudi Arabia did manage to give him a positive reception but the Government can't control such things here. If Trump is waiting for that he may be waiting some time (obviously some stuff can change but I don't see it baring an external event intervening).

This is why I am wary of a trade deal happening. If the independent press of another country being mean about you is a problem then he is too temperamental to deal with. What if he pulls out of talks or the deal because a bad headline sets him off? It's like dealing with a child. Hopefully he won't take too much of an interest in the deal leaving it all to congressional republicans.

Osem 17-07-2017 11:48
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35908141)
Yes, how biased are they, reporting what he and his family actually say and do.

Why can't they just copy Fox News and blindly praise him?
Well assuming that everything he/they say/do do isn't terrible, they could maybe try to report something positive. That'd be less biased. ;)

RizzyKing 17-07-2017 14:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Lately the press seems to be all about creating division in the UK setting one group against others and too many people are falling for it and blindly allowing themselves to be used. Trump is not a brilliant president hell at this point he's not even a good president but he is the president of the country that has been our closest ally for decades and should be extended the courtesy we have extended to other leaders in the past.

Kursk 17-07-2017 17:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908132)
trump is not going to visit if thousands of hate peddling scruffy libtards are on the streets spoiling his visit for the millions who want him to come , once the government stop these vile hate filled morons we will get a visit , a visiting head of state should be treated with respect especially the head of our closest ally .
Spot on. They need hosing down with a good water cannon. A good bath will do 'em good. Millions of us want to welcome the President and the pierced, tattooed layabouts are spoiling things for decent people. :D

papa smurf 17-07-2017 17:47
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35908179)
Spot on. They need hosing down with a good water cannon. A good bath will do 'em good. Millions of us want to welcome the President and the pierced, tattooed layabouts are spoiling things for decent people. :D
a good hosing down with cs gas spray followed by a crack round the jaw with a police baton and a nice stay in prison in the weirdo wing .

1andrew1 17-07-2017 20:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35908161)
Lately the press seems to be all about creating division in the UK setting one group against others and too many people are falling for it and blindly allowing themselves to be used. Trump is not a brilliant president hell at this point he's not even a good president but he is the president of the country that has been our closest ally for decades and should be extended the courtesy we have extended to other leaders in the past.
The courtesy has been extended to Trump. He's just not chosen to accept it yet unlike the courtesy extended by Belgium, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Palestine, Poland, Saudi Arabia Vatican City and the West Bank. He should be coming next year though.

passingbat 18-07-2017 11:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Voters who live in the heartland and outside the New York-D.C. media bubbles do not care about the legacy media’s obsession with Russia.

Quote:
An Iowa radio news director emailed CNN media reporter Brian Stelter, out of all people, on Thursday to tell him that conservatives in his state are “very angry” at the legacy press because they think the media are using Russia stories to “oust” and delegitimize President Donald Trump
Full article here here:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...eid=36b9a83398

passingbat 18-07-2017 14:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Putin And Trump Tell G20 Leaders ‘NWO Is Finished’ Right To Their Faces

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During this photo-op between Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Donald Trump, Putin couldn’t help letting his feelings be known about the globalist leaders gathered at the G20. A woman in the crowd asked Putin if he was smiling because he genuinely likes Donald Trump; Putin kept smiling but said, “I am smiling because the New World Order is finished.”
http://yournewswire.com/patin-trump-...w-world-order/

They're not quite right, as at some point in the future there will be a world leader.


And for those who didn't know, the current Pope supports the NWO.

Pope Francis: World Government Must Rule U.S. ‘For Their Own Good’

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Pope Francis told the Italian newspaper La Repubblica that the United States of America has “a distorted vision of the world” and Americans must be ruled by a world government, as soon as possible, “for their own good.”
http://yournewswire.com/pope-francis...vernment-rule/

I'm guessing the Pope wouldn't have voted for Brexit.

papa smurf 18-07-2017 17:45
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Shut it, Sadiq, you petty little pipsqueak - Britain should be rolling out the royal red carpet to President Trump, not treating him like the world’s worst monster

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Damien 18-07-2017 20:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The healthcare bill has failed again, this time in the senate: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mccon...es_bsq_related

Two senators came out against it so they just don't have the numbers. They're now going to try repealing Obamacare without a replacement but that might be hard to pass as well, senators don't want to go back to their states with lots of people having lost healthcare.

1andrew1 18-07-2017 20:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908342)
The healthcare bill has failed again, this time in the senate: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mccon...es_bsq_related

Two senators came out against it so they just don't have the numbers. They're now going to try repealing Obamacare without a replacement but that might be hard to pass as well, senators don't want to go back to their states with lots of people having lost healthcare.
Another to the list of non-achievements chalked up by Trump. Yet, I can't imagine he's too bothered! He's sufficiently astute to know that US healthcare is a poisoned chalice whatever view you take; if there was a perfect solution it would be in place by now. And sadly for the US, he fell for Putin's spider's web so is now entangled in the inevitable investigations and ramifications of this folly.
Despite Trump's lack of regret, the traditional Republicans won't be happy with one of their pet hates living on despite their majorities in both houses.

TheDaddy 18-07-2017 21:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908322)
Shut it, Sadiq, you petty little pipsqueak - Britain should be rolling out the royal red carpet to President Trump, not treating him like the world’s worst monster

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4nCc9EIR1
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As much as I dislike khan I don't blame him for being vocal, the donald would've banned him from America according to his campaign and told lies about what khan said during a terrorist atrocity, stay classy donald

1andrew1 18-07-2017 21:14
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35908360)
As much as I dislike khan I don't blame him for being vocal, the donald would've banned him from America according to his campaign and told lies about what khan said during a terrorist atrocity, stay classy donald
It saddens me the number of people here who criticise Obama for advocating we stay in the EU but turn a deaf ear to Trump when he lies about Sadiq Kahn at a time of the country's greatest need, ie after a terrorist attack.

Mick 18-07-2017 22:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908361)
It saddens me the number of people here who criticise Obama for advocating we stay in the EU but turn a deaf ear to Trump when he lies about Sadiq Kahn at a time of the country's greatest need, ie after a terrorist attack.
You will have to stay sad I'm afraid. Not sure why you're comparing two sets of pricks either (Obama and Khan).

Khan should have remembered to shut up when he mouthed off when he was in America, saying a stupid thing when it was thought New York was suffering another atrocity, saying living in a city, terrorist attacks are part and parcel of life. :rolleyes:

But Khan is a prick for sure, worst London mayor ever and I never thought anyone could beat Livingston, to win this title.

1andrew1 18-07-2017 22:50
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35908372)
You will have to stay sad I'm afraid. Not sure why you're comparing two sets of pricks either (Obama and Khan).

Khan should have remembered to shut up when he mouthed off when he was in America, saying a stupid thing when it was thought New York was suffering another atrocity, saying living in a city, terrorist attacks are part and parcel of life. :rolleyes:

But Khan is a prick for sure, worst London mayor ever and I never thought anyone could beat Livingston, to win this title.
They're sadly part of the lives of those of us who live and work in cities but they won't stop us from living our lives. That's been a fact of life since the days of the IRA in the UK and terrorist attacks are not unique to the UK and US.
Those who condemn both Trump and Obama for their comments get points for consistency. Those who just condemn Obama and not Trump when he misquoted Kahn just look totally political as all polticians in the UK sensibly condemned Trump's remarks, regardless of party.

Mick 18-07-2017 23:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908373)
They're sadly part of the lives of those of us who live and work in cities but they won't stop us from living our lives. That's been a fact of life since the days of the IRA in the UK and terrorist attacks are not unique to the UK and US.
Those who condemn both Trump and Obama for their comments get points for consistency. Those who just condemn Obama and not Trump when he misquoted Kahn just look bad as all polticians in the UK condemned Trump's remarks regardless of party.
You do have a selective memory.

According to your weird scoring rules, I do get full points http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=1580 ;) :rolleyes:

1andrew1 18-07-2017 23:22
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35908375)
You do have a selective memory.

According to your weird scoring rules, I do get full points http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=1580 ;) :rolleyes:
Whilst this is not about you or I would have said so, I am happy to give you points for consistency.:)


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