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Yes I know that. I was referring to Bliar opening our floodgates to economic migrants from much poorer parts or Europe.

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Easy for the likes of us to tell, not so easy in law it seems. The thousands holed up in Calais are evidence of that.

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The immigration crisis is the result of stupid politicians more interested in social experimentation then just doing what they are elected to do and europe as a whole is going to be paying for it in many ways for a good couple of decades.

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It was reported today that people in stable and seaworthy boats jumped into the sea.

This is because they have been told that anyone in a sinking ship, or in the water, is legally obliged to be "saved" by passing ships.

This is why these ships are scuppered close to shore.

And this is what they have been doing for years and years and years.

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BBC footage showed a guy whipping someone on the boat as rescuers arrived. What was that about?

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The boats are generally very poor quality anyway and, if near the African coastline, they're intentionally scuppered by the authorities in case they float back into the smugglers' hands.

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Not sure it's anything legal as its international waters, it's more about humane thing todo rather than watch them drown

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Yes it is the more humane thing to do but at what point does the humane thing we do become the draw factor which causes increasing numbers of desperate people to take their chances?

Like it or not we all have limits to our generosity and most people's might be making a few charity donations and posting a few messages in places like this from time to time. What prevents us doing more? Giving more? Let's face it most of us aren't living in abject poverty and could quite easily give and do more for charities which support poverty stricken people in places like Africa so why don't we? Why don't we do more to stop these people trekking thousands of miles to get in leaky boats, that'd be the really humane thing to do wouldn't it?

The reason 99% of the population don't go down that route is that whilst they have sympathy for the plight of refugees and migrants, that sympathy only goes so far and is usually limited to supporting measures which cost us little and won't directly affect us. So on the one hand people like to make a lot of noise about refugees and migrants but, when push comes to shove, there's almost always little else forthcoming and God forbid HMG wants to open a hostel for refugees and migrants anywhere near them...

If we're going to be humane and drag people out of the sea, why not do the logical thing and just assist them all to come here in the first place? As many as want to come because they're all desperate and all have a case for a better life so if we don't bring them all the trek to Libya will continue. No, we should send large ships and/or planes to the places these people, load them up and bring them here. That'd save so many more lives wouldn't it so why aren't any of us suggesting our govts. do just that? I submit it's because we quite like making ourselves feel a bit better through the odd charity donation but don't really want our way of life and living standards to be significantly impinged upon. We're quite prepared to be shocked by images of bodies in the surf but we're not prepared to intervene directly. The very same reason we may offer a tramp some food or money from time to time but don't invite him to stay in our spare bedroom or even a tent in our garden.

The sad fact is that either we change our approach to this problem or we're going to get swamped to the point that increasing civil unrest will ensue just like it already is in those places worst affected by the existing migrant/refugee problem. If that sounds tough well it is because at the end of the day that's what people do - they defend themselves, their loved ones, their homes and their way of life. It's all very well people like Merkel welcoming migrants but did she ask her people first? Did she concern herself with what they thought? She opened the gates and, surprise surprise, the people came and kept coming. They kept coming through other people's countries causing them huge problems in the process and stirring up a whole lot of tension and unrest. Now they are here in vast numbers and realising that life isn't anything like what they'd hoped. They're realising that most of them will probably have to struggle for many years and a good number may well be asked to return to the places they so desperately left. Is that humane? Maybe for you it is but how are the migrants who gambled everything for that better life in the EU going to see it? How do you think they'll react? How on Earth are the powers that be going to manage the massive problem they have created and have done precious little to solve?

IMHO this is analogous to those situations in the past when at the scene of disasters, rescue ships have had to turn back for fear of being overloaded. A most awful scenario we'll all agree but unless we do something to stop the huge flow of migrants at source and persuade these people there is no easy life just the other side of the Med, tough measures are going to be inevitable.

That won't be the end of the problem, however, because the millions of migrants and refugees who've already made it here will still have to be accommodated and successfully integrated. Despite all the fine words of the out of touch Eurocrats, very few countries, especially the poorer nations, are going to take them so how are we going to stop the creation of the sort of migrant 'ghettos' which have already made Brussels, for example, a dangerous place and hotbed for terrorism?...

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37249847

I wonder what sort of additional provision is going to be necessary to deal with those who have been badly traumatised by war, torture, etc. Let's face it, the mentally ill have been getting a pretty raw deal in the UK for years and we have male suicides at record levels and the single largest killer of young men in the UK. If these are truly the most vulnerable, then a good many are going to have been badly scarred by events and need a great deal of support.

Meanwhile, try getting help for your very own young adult with mental health issues...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-36536297

Still I'm sure the great and the good will do their utmost to ensure there are adequate resources for all those in need as opposed to those who are in the news.

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Wasn't the family of Alan Kurdi living in Turkey for 2 years with a house and job? THEY WERE SAFE AND SETTLED. They wanted to go to Canada, but Canada said no. They were trying to get to Canada via the "back door",

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Being safe clearly isn't what it was. The thousands in Calais are perfectly safe except from themselves. It's their choice to refuse to claim asylum in France (or any of the safe countries they passed through to get there) and live in squalor so I therefore have very little sympathy for the adults amongst them who're effectively trying to 'force' their way into the UK by hook or by crook. My belief is that the minors there are effectively being used as emotional pawns and if we give in to that more children will go the same way.

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If they come to the UK via the EU we have no obligation to accomadate them and just because millions want to come here doesn't mean we should take any of them and pictures no longer bother me in the slightest being honest i don't care about any of them in calais I've seen the consequences of past immigration into the UK and the damage it's done i don't want anymore of it. Am i a git or a nasty piece of work don't know and i don't care as i see my kids struggling to get ahead in the UK now and their kids will struggle further and that's my primary concern not people looking to have a better life handed on a plate to them.

Most of those people intend to come here take everything they can get they won't integrate, they won't accept the UK as it is they will expect the UK to change to accomadate them we will be expected to accept their customs, religion and culture whilst they don't do any of that in relation to the UK. Why do i think like this because that's exactly whats happened for the last thirty years in the UK and if we don't start learning the pattern then we deserve the escalating tensions we will get. The UK is a small island we can't build enough houses to accomadate those already here any idea of taking millions more is complete lunacy.

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They should just go and do one, and the migrants in Calais too.

Take a step back, why on Earth would you allow people to set up a shanty town and tacitly encourage more to come because 'the UK is their destination'

Maybe it is, that doesn't mean they're going to get there though, lets not forget to get to Calais they've had to stomp through significant parts of Europe to get there.
All safe havens unless something has changed that I'm not aware of.

Did the French Authorities seriously think that they could just set up a staging post in their country so that all and sundry can hop on a ferry and have a life of glorious utopia in the UK? really ?

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Bob Geldof (and all the other professional sanctimonious celebrities who love finding time between fine dining and awards ceremonies to preach morality to the rest of us) has been a bit quiet on this issue lately hasn't he. Maybe he's too busy looking after all those refugees he housed to have time to help any more... :shrug:

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There's constant talk about vulnerable 'kids' in Calais to the extent that people like Lord Dubs feel we need to save them from the Jungle. Can anyone explain what the French equivalent of social services are doing so wrong that they're not willing/able to protect them?

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They are on french territory it's a french problem we've enough social problems in the UK already to keep getting involved in taking in more who will grow up and get the rest of their extended family moved here, enoughs enough it has to stop at some point this is as good time as any.

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Clearly some people don't agree:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37328151

Despite record population growth caused primarily due to migration, our immigration rules are evidently still too tough.

I ask these people how they reconcile their beliefs with the reality that the more refugees who're admitted into the UK, the greater the pressure on the already overstretched welfare, health and housing services which will be required to deal with them. What would the former Archbishop and his co-signees want to say to our existing needy (including, ironically, many refugees and migrants) who'll be the ones who really feel the burden I wonder...

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Those who are all pro immigration do not live in affected areas don't suffer from the degradation of services in a given area, when they move to those areas when they suffer the bad services then maybe I'll listen to them not going to happen anytime soon.

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There is more land in the UK given over to horses than housing.

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I live in one of the most deprived wards in the country. Ex-manufacturing, high unemployment, high dependence on welfare and tons of people on the sick.

Strong UKIP presence here yet, strangely, relatively few migrants. Aren't scapegoats handy?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_4254512.html ;)

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Did i say only areas with migrants had problems no i didn't but in the areas where there are high levels of migrants there are social and infrastructure problems directly proportional to the increase in people in that area. The collapse of our industrial areas has left massive problems that have not been addressed or barely recognised by the politicians unless they are after votes. Or are you saying ignit that your ward would benefit from a couple of thousand from calais?.

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Nope I am strongly against admitting those in Calais. Migrants generally I would happily trade a bunch of those already in the ward for.

Sweeping generalisations help no-one. Neither does equating the asylum tourists in Calais with all who might want to come here.

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genuine asylum seekers are grateful as soon as they reach safety, doesnt matter if its italy, greece or england, those camping in Calais I struggle to find fit into that category.

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Couldn't agree with you more.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37347352

I know who I believe is out of touch with reality.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37372029

I'm sure it'll be OK though because that's what Merkel and the EU keep telling us. I'm just waiting for some clown or another to blame it on Brexit. ;)

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This is what happens when you allow in too many from a very alien culture too quickly.

What Germany have done is absurd and a knee jerk reaction to their demographic problems.

We fixed them, even if people don't like how, during the 2000s and to an extent this decade.

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Well they're admitting problems again but it's tackling them that matters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37380429

If only these people were paid according to performance not reagardless of it...

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Merkel's paying the price for her migrant welcome, and more worryingly, the far right party has gained popularity due largely to her mishandling of the migrant crisis. You see the great, the good and the deluded can bang on all they like about welcomes and morality ad nauseam but when the people believe they're not being listened to or, worse still, simply having their interests placed second to migrants on a large scale, increasing extremism is the result.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37403542

It's quite clear that a growing number of people don't believe they've been gifted a 'net benefit' so someone needs to start listening to them pretty damned soon.

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Politicians in many other European countries are also twitching over the effect the migrant crisis will have on their share of the vote. And UKIP has shown them a way forward.

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Germany is in a weird state. I can understand people's anger. The finance minister refuses to invest in the country and refuses to spend the necessary to improve public services. He is desperately, dogmatically seeking surpluses when Germany and the rest of the Eurozone need German investment.

This doesn't work at the best of times, let alone when you've decided you want to fix your demographic problem in the course of a year.

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Yes they are but still the Eurocrats plough on virtually regardless.

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Meanwhile back in Brexitland:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37405598

Undermined it already is I'm afraid. The abuse of the system is quite staggering and getting worse as the people traffickers refine their trade in human misery.

... and Merkel admits migration 'mistakes'.

Funny how admitting mistakes seems usually to be turned into an argument for staying in office to put things right rather than resigning.

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Her mistake is made worse by the fact that she got to see the disaster that labour's open door policy created in the UK and she still did the same for Germany. I don't ever want the UK to become a place that doesn't offer safety to those in genuine danger but we can no longer keep taking economic migrants it's not good for them or us. Too many UK citizens are binned by government onto benefits as there has been an ample supply of cheap labour to paper over the cracks in our system.

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:tu:

The problem is that because the 'great and the good' are the last to be directly affected, these situations are often allowed to get out of hand before these people accept or even realise the impact that's being felt elsewhere. For all their talk, gestures and sound-bites, how many of those personalities, politicians, religious leaders, professional commentators, activists, ever really put their money where their mouth is?

We have allowed migrants to become a resource and income stream for all sorts of dubious people whose motives range from the utterly heartless and selfish to the wholly destructive and in tackling this problem the EU has shown itself to be about as incisive and fleet-footed as Mount Everest.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37413710

Who'd have thought?... :rolleyes:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37439294

Yet more hundreds to add to the thousands who die traipsing across the Sahara for example in order to find a welcome where there isn't one. We really need to get a grip and either decide we're going tp tackle these problems at source or accept a never ending and ever increasing trail of misery and death as more and more people convince themselves that the solution to their problems lies in the hands of people traffickers.

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Mass leaflet drop in applicable languages that anyone coming to the EU will be returned to country of origin might be a start, we have the capability to blanket the north african coast and much further into the interior. Attitudes are hardening across europe there are more attacks on migrants then before and we have more dying chasing a non existent utopia this problem can't be solved on european coastlines. We have to be more proactive leaflets and radio and tv adverts making the situation clear will work much better then turning boats away.

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A good start. That would be a cheap and relatively easy thing to do along with information linking these people to the harsh facts from Europe rather that the stuff they want or are led to believe. We'd also need to get that information across to those people who're not yet on the move.

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I honestly don't understand why more proactive measures haven't been tried yet it's much more cost effective to dissuade them before they get on whatever piece of floating junk they hop on.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37462767

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. What are the French going to do with those who fail to claim asylum within 4 months I wonder? Some of them have already been there years.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...but-what-does/

I'd say that'd be a pretty clear message to Brussels.

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The minimum level of voters (50%) was not achieved though.

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I don't think the actual numbers are known yet but the article I linked to makes the point about the low turnout. Unless all the others who didn't vote would have voted for the deal, it's still a big NO.

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I bet Merkel won't call for a similar vote.... he he he he....

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Nein... ;)

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Interestingly that rule was bought in after their EU membership was approved on a 45.6% turnout with 83.8% approval. (38.3% of the population)

Wiki link

Seems to me this is a more emphatic result with 95% of 49% (46.5%)

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Rather than campaigning for a 'Yes' vote the opposition there were campaigning for people to spoil ballots or just not show up.

It worked.

The turnout was 43.9% by the way, not 49%. Wasn't a closely run thing.

Amusingly there are actually so few refugees allocated to Hungary that the cost of the referendum would've paid for E31,000 worth of training, integration, language skills, etc, for each and every one of them.

I disagree with the mandatory resettlement programme but this was a big waste of time and money to cement a position in internal politics.

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That would have just been the first wave, with more to follow. No amount of money will ever integrate them. The vote was about the Hungarian government having the final say and not the EU.

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Hmm.

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Liberal Sweden's policy on mass migration doesn't seem to be working all that well now does it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37578919

Of course 'mistakes' like this can't just be undone can they and the lagacy will be long lived I'm certain. I think that, in the rush to 'do the right thing', the long term ramifications have been overlooked.

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This makes relentlessly depressing reading :(

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Very depressing indeed but nothing much has been learned yet apparently. Those high profile figures who keep banging on about morals, humanity etc. aren't the ones in most need or amongst those whose services, housing, job prospects and local environment take the biggest hit. In fact when they're not out campaigning a good many of them spend quite a lot of their time buying more houses and erecting security fences to protect all that property they've acquired in the most select and desirable areas which will never be home to 99% of us let alone the truly needy they reckon they're so keen to assist. Odd that eh?... :rolleyes:

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What should we do about the EU migrants already living here?

http://cableforum.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=33703753

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Bizzare story
:confused:

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It's unstoppable as long as we keep taking men in as children. No pictures of girls either

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/199052...heir-true-age/

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It's really not a good look.

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Ah well at least it's only 60-70% of 'child refugees' who're subsequently discovered to be not exactly children but I don't suppose any of those being allowed in from that notoriously unsafe country called France will fall into that category. Big surprise that though eh? I mean who'd have thought desperate people might deliberately lie about their age, knowing that they have nothing to lose and if they do that they'll likely be allowed into the UK and then be able to take their chances with the 'system' either by absconding or lodging numerous appeals and hoping again to 'disappear' as the process drags on. No, they might be prepared to cross the Channel in a sink or cling to the bottom of a truck/train but they won't lie at all in order to get into the UK illegally and there certainly ins't a whole 'industry' of people dedicated to helping them do just that. :rolleyes:

Remember, these 'children' can't just be detained by the authorities whilst all the checks are made so it's not exactly difficult for them to run away from the host families/care placements they're allocated just like so many of our very own 'problem' children have (and continue to do) in places like Rotherham.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...e-adults-figu/

This has been going on and known about for years - immigration officers will testify to how common it is and the figures quoted above are all the proof that's required to see how ridiculous the 'system' is and just how naive some well meaning people are*.

Anyway it'll be interesting to see how well these poor young children thrive in their future lives in UK and within those close families we've been told they have in the UK so I'm sure HMG will want to monitor and report their progress so anyone who doubts the wisdom of this decision can be reassured... :rolleyes:

* Those who aren't just stupid or have another agenda that is.

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"Child" on the front of my red top has crows feet. Looks more like 40. We're being taken like mugs again. :mad:

They even had some stupid woman on the Today programme this morning saying that teeth and X-ray checks would be "traumatising" for the "children". Not in comparisson to fleeing war IMHO.

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Might that be why the Beeb has apparently 'pixellated' their faces for us?

Those who support this decision know full well that once these people are here it'll be extremely hard to remove them so we can expect the usual plethora of excuses and cynical delaying techniques to be applied to that sole end.

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Take a look at the "Children" here and make your mind up. No little boys and no girls at all.

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Judging by the behaviour in Cologne, Rotherham etc, the "little boys and girls" left behind are now safer.

Parts of Aleppo are safe and have normal everyday lives. It just happens to be the areas where the rebels aren't using the residents as "human shields".

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Wow just wow, the top guy... look at his hands & eyes, if he's under 35 I'm Queen Victoria...

That's just shocking at least 50% of those pictured - no way.

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I'm an advocate of our fulfilling our humanitarian obligations, however this does seem at first impression to be crazy, not least because there will be people who appear well over 18 going into our schools. There are some documented cases in Sweden and other places that are simply absurd.

I struggle to imagine there is no way to ascertain age with at least some degree of accuracy, and I do believe the government has a responsibility to employ every method at its disposal. What goes on these people's papers when they come into the country has an awful lot of consequences.

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Never mind, I'm sure they'll all integrate seamlessly and hereon in live totally honest, decent lives in the UK with those families we've been told about.

We're often told that there are vulnerable women and young children (as opposed to adults claiming to be children) trapped in Calais so was expecting them to get some sort of priority but hey ho... :confused:

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Trying to think of an accurate way to access age. Accuracy is an issue when we're talking about such a precise cutoff. Looking around seems to show this is actually a difficult problem for immigration officials: https://www.newscientist.com/article...determine-age/

The other problem is that people age different as a result of environmental factors as well. Stress, poor nutrition and so on and I imagine a lot of these people will have suffered a lot of that to say the least.

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The fact that it is difficult to prove conclusively is the very reason so many migrants turn up claiming to be under 18 and are coached to say so. The odds are that they'll get away it.

I don't think this is being thought through. If these young men have been so seriously traumatised by their experiences (which is one of the reasons we're told they need to come here) what extra provision is being made for them by way of mental health services etc.? It's patently obvious from, for example, the suicide rates in the UK that these services are unable to cope with the existing demand being placed on them to the point that during crises, young people are often having to be sent many miles away from their homes in order to get help/treatment because there are no secure places closer to home. It's not like there's much slack in the system so someone somewhere's going to lose out directly or indirectly and it won't be the great and the good who can afford to check themselves into private clinics when they're in need.

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By the looks of it under 15 wouldn't be too hard nor would over 25 but it's hard to nail an age down within that band. Maybe they should focus on children rather than teenagers. After that people age differently, you'll see 18/19 year olds who look in their thirties and 30-40 year olds who look early twenties.

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They need to what they do for drinking age checks.

So to be accepted as under 18 the rule should be you have to look say 12 or younger. It is a lot harder to look 12 than 17.

Also it seems to be mainly males, not something one would quite expect in such a situation.

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So the moral of the story for any would be refugees is to tear up your papers (if you have any) and lie about your age then you've got a pretty good chance that all those 'robust checks' we hear so much about are rendered meaningless. Let's not forget, the guys who've been let in now are the ones who've been deemed the most likely to be what they claim not the least likely. It beggars belief really and it's a recipe for big problems.

I find the use of the word 'children' deliberately emotive too in this case since I don't think many people would look at the images of these people and immediately think 'vulnerable children'. If they were British everyone would be queueing up to call them young adults at the very least...

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A cursory glance at the migrant masses all over the EU, Turket etc. would indicate a very high proportion of relatively young, fit males and relatively few women/children but admitting that makes the whole issue far less emotive. It's also pretty easy to understand why the proportions would be such. There's little to stop young, mobile, single men from all over the world appearing on the EU's borders in search of a better life and it's easy to understand why they'd do it.

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Looking at epiphyseal growth plates will give some idea of age but there is variation in the age at closure of those.

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Some quality journalism. This is an interpreter, not a refugee.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvKPCi1WYAASWpv.jpg

Here he is again. The guy in the middle the picture was taken in Calais, not Croydon.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/10/5.jpg

Outstanding work.

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yes I heard that too on 5 live yesterday.

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The uk press as its best, sort of like how they hired an actress to pretend she is a welfare claimant claiming impossible benefits.

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Slice through their heads and count the rings. Or at least TELL them that's what you are going to do....

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http://order-order.com/2016/10/20/no...t-interpreter/

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Oh dear, yet again, some high profile folks are just too quick to show how morally superior they are. They normally pipe down when there isn't a suitable bandwagon to jump upon though...

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Amazing, we're relying on the honour system now, 'coz if they wouldn't lie about their age they wouldn't lie about having an aunt in Wolverhampton either, to quote the donald what the hell is going on

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/72...david-simmonds

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http://news.sky.com/story/deadly-att...libya-10626267

This why ALL countries that are effected by Migrants coming into new shores. Have to get a grip with the Trafficker's.

They are making thousands of people desperate for safe shores there lives a misery.

There is all talk about what to do. But there is no action

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22 year old university educated child refugee, rather than automatically thinking the worst perhaps he's just gifted acedemically rather than just a liar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...at-university/

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37921599

A bit rich coming from the leader of a country which has an appalling record when it comes to the treatment of Roma.

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If the purpose of knowing how many foreign workers a firm had was to gauge how many british people need to be trained up to fill a skills shortage I'd be all for it context is everything. Whilst the UK hasn't taken in as many as it could it's taken in a hell of a lot more over a longer period then some of the nations now criticising us on immigration maybe when they take as many for as long I'll consider what they say till then sod off.

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IIRC the Czech were one of those generous of spirit EU nations who refused to accept Merkel's cast offs...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b093be51bc8824

Evidently they don't mind being migrants around Europe but when it comes to hosting some... :rolleyes:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37921598

Well then I suppose we'd just need to opt out of the treaty which allows these people to pick and choose where they claim asylum and send them straight back to France.

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Guess we will jus have to have border posts on our side and send straight back anyone that doesn't have the required legal documentation to enter the UK. The EU can take it's threats and petty games and shove them where the sun doesn't shine, these sentiments were always there and often not very deep so if brexit has done nothing else it's cleared some of the crap away so things are more clear. French politicians would be better off spending their time trying to keep le pen from their presidancy as i think her chances are better now then they were a few months ago.

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:tu:

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Some are paying lip-service to those against mass immigration. But most of the rhetoric is falling on deaf ears.

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Well l thought Trump was pretty bad but she could be even worse as we are talking about the French National front here who are no better then the British National Front IMO.

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Sadly Den i think certain countries are on the path to extremism as they feel only they can represent them.

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Yes and they've been driven there by those who refuse to listen. No real surprise to the rest of us then then that people wind up voting for those who do seem to listen - even those who're more extreme than they'd normally ever consider...

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Such a big fuss about child refugees from Calais (and elsewhere) coming here to be 'safe' yet as we all know that's far from the truth but hey, let's not that fact get in the way of a few pious, bandwagon jumping, celebrities and what they think...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37982221

Tip of the iceberg I reckon and I'd wager that a good number of those 'children' brought in from Calais recently who we were told had 'family' here will already have disappeared. No matter eh, maybe they've gone round to Geldof's gaff...

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Yep we have got celebrities lecturing us all on how we should take in more to be "safe" when most of them were in a safe place and chose to leave it for the idea that the UK won't just be safe but hand them all they want. Then we have another group constantly banging on about how attacks on immigrants are increasing after brexit, so now the UK is not safe for immigrants. It's one big mess made worse by too many vested interests jumping into to further their own ego\agenda and nothings getting done.

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whoever gets the job done and damn the consequences :shrug:

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Yup- they'll get the trains running on time.





It's where to, that's the problem....:(

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Inappropriate Hugh.

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It was in reference to the comment about 'damn the consequences'....

Once a beast is unleashed, it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle...:(

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Thankfully i don't see the UK or Germany succumbing to the far right anytime soon the UK still has it's natural dislike of anything that resembles nazism at least for the next couple of decades. Germany is still very much in touch with that part of it's past and the majority of germans would not accept a slide back to that extreme. Other nations in europe have a stronger chance and the only practical extreme is right there is a growing resentment to socialism and against liberalism in it's modern form.

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Germany probably not because of their history they are, as you say, hyper sensitive to it.

However fascism won't come from jackbooted men marching out of bavarian beer halls. It will comes from people wearing suits and kinder faces channelling popular concerns and a population willing to go ahead with it and turn a blind eye. Any leader who seeks to discriminate or blame a minority group then that's the red flag, once you start overlooking that then you're well on the way.

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We have had the BNP and the EDL and neither has really gained traction I'm not concerned about the UK and Germany but other nations i think could be very susceptible to the far right. Politics is an utter mess in the west at the minute i think predictions are out of the window at this point far too much anger with how things have been means the fringe has never had a better chance.

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I think the BNP were around at the wrong time (for them, lucky for us). I wonder if they would have done better in the current environment. Although there was also the fact they were too obviously racist and not talented enough to appear credible to the public. You look back at Nick Griffin's Question Time appearance and he isn't quick enough to deal with the questions or sufficiently able to rebrand policies as something more palatable.

As I said to be successful they're unlikely to be so obvious.

I hope the UK is an unlikely place for it to happen. I am not sure why it would be but it does seem as if we don't have any politically successful far-right parties. Maybe it's a function of our electoral system? Maybe it's because we have to stable, rather moderate, parties which have a stranglehold on the whole thing. Maybe we do have some sort of cultural resilience? I don't know. I think it's dangerous to assume it will stay this way. We have to ensure it doesn't.

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That is true, many other parts of Europe never bothered to tackle their part in national socialism preferring to gloss over their active participation in some of the worst atrocities

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Arabic Translator: Muslim Migrants Secretly Hate Christians

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When are you going to delete Breibart from your favourites ? Its made up hate filled crap.
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