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Maggy 16-05-2012 09:25
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Jack Straw at Leveson today.

mertle 16-05-2012 10:27
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35428683)
Jack Straw at Leveson today.
Maggy been any hints what maybe been hidden wonder who she was refering when she said goes much higher food chain.

Are we thinking News corp or political.

Wonder cameron sent text wishing her well;)

Maggy 16-05-2012 15:48
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Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35428701)
Maggy been any hints what maybe been hidden wonder who she was refering when she said goes much higher food chain.

Are we thinking News corp or political.

Wonder cameron sent text wishing her well;)
Well how high do we want this to go?Frankly if it goes ALL the way I'll eat my hat..I'll be very surprised if it brings down a government.

mertle 16-05-2012 15:58
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35428849)
Well how high do we want this to go?Frankly if it goes ALL the way I'll eat my hat..I'll be very surprised if it brings down a government.
well as high as the corruption and hacking leads it should.

If thats means hits the politicians, police or media bosses then so be it. would think all parties uneasy where it could lead if its allowed to go deep.

Do agree it wont go that far leveson and the criminal investigation will go so far to passify but the real guilty likely walk free.

Usual the case will envolve and stop at the fall guys used while untouchable carry on.

There too many layers too many shields to knock down.

Whether this hits murdocks or MP's I doubt it myself it should go to the root of it though.

Maggy 16-05-2012 22:03
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...rebekah-brooks
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Jack Straw arranged to meet Rebekah Brooks for a gossip once a week when they commuted on the same train when he was justice secretary and she was editor of the Sun, the Leveson inquiry has heard.
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He revealed his meetings just moments after railing against politicians who had too close a relationship with journalists and criticising the press for "recording" his profession as "personality, conflict-based".
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Unlike other witnesses to the inquiry, such as Alastair Campbell, who testified earlier this week that the Sun backed Labour because it was a winner, Straw was of the view that the News International tabloid did have the power to make or break politicians' fortunes.
"Few of us who took part, for example, in the 1992 general election, are in any doubt that the Sun's approach lost us seats. That was the purpose [of the hostile coverage] and it is disingenuous for anyone to deny it," Straw said.
Sounds like it was an interesting session..And I think he was completely right in saying....

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Straw said he believed newspapers had debased public discourse about government and democracy and had contributed to the low turnout at elections because they portrayed politics as "boring" and "completely self-serving".

mertle 16-05-2012 23:28
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indeed bad press false or true kills politians. However stirers who use them for political gains equally wrong.

Infact could argue we may need independant assesor during press involvement during election year.

Which then should determine news is truthful but unbiase.

We can see at present what can happen when politians use it as aid to get misleading information into domain.

Jack straw one most articulate polititians shame he fell for the charm of the media.

Maggy 17-05-2012 08:39
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/wo...nt&tntemail1=y

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“It is difficult to give an end date,” said a police spokesman, who declined to be identified in line with policy. “We follow the evidence, and it’s impossible to say where it will lead. It’s safe to say it will last years.” A police budget for all the investigations into journalism extends into 2015, and anticipates that the cost will reach $64 million in total.
Well can the police can pursue it? Are they going to even have the resources to do so?Will there come a time when they have no more cash to do so?Will the changes being introduced

I'm wondering if this is a likely scenario considering no one seems to be saying much publicly in the US.
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If it is proved that those in Mr. Murdoch’s employ conspired to pay public officials to further business interests, experts say he could be at risk of sanctions in the United States under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Even a small fine would threaten to take the scandal across the Atlantic, and increase political pressure on Mr. Murdoch’s lucrative American interests.

Maggy 17-05-2012 11:08
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Peter Oborne presently giving his evidence at Leveson .Very interesting.:)

devilincarnate 19-05-2012 10:05
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Should be a good week ?

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Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt's former special adviser Adam Smith will give evidence to the Leveson Inquiry next week, it has been announced.

News Corporation lobbyist Frederic Michel will also appear on Thursday.

Mr Smith resigned last month over his contacts with Mr Michel relating to News Corp's bid to take over BSkyB.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18118611

Maggy 19-05-2012 10:20
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Actually I found Sir Harold Evans evidence on Thursday afternoon even more fascinating. He shone a light on the Thatcher /Murdoch association.

http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/hearing/2012-05-17pm/

Maggy 21-05-2012 10:18
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Tessa Jowell MP and Lord Mandelson giving evidence at the Leveson Inquiry today.

Looking forward to seeing if they can squeeze Mandelson enough to get some answers...

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I note Michel and Adam Smith are due on Friday...;)

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So it was Labours fault that we got Ofcom..a vacillating useless toothless organisation that has mostly failed to control Murdoch's empire building.

Maggy 21-05-2012 20:29
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18144135

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Lord Mandelson has denied there was a "Faustian pact" between Labour and Rupert Murdoch's News International before the 1997 general election.
He told the Leveson Inquiry that Tony Blair sought to "reassure" the Sun over issues such as Europe.
But he insisted there was no deal involving commercial concessions in return for support from the newspapers.
An admission
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But he went on: "It is also arguably the case, however, that personal relationships between Mr Blair, Mr Brown and Rupert Murdoch became closer than was wise in view of the adverse inference drawn from the number of meetings and contacts they had.
and the sting in the tail
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The same, I am sure, can be said for Mr Cameron and, no doubt, his predecessors."


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Tom Watson,the MP who has pursued the phone hacking scandals for some time and kept it in the public arena is a witness tomorrow.

Maggy 22-05-2012 20:21
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18151789

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MPs have referred three ex-News International executives to the Commons standards committee over claims they misled Parliament, which they deny.
Former News of the World Editor Colin Myler, former legal manager Tom Crone and former chairman Les Hinton were criticised in the Commons Culture Committee's report into phone hacking.
Its chair John Whittingdale said the allegations were "extremely serious".
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The Commons has the authority to ask non-members to appear in person to be admonished by the Speaker, in a procedure known as being summoned to the bar of the Commons.
This power has not been used since the 1950s.
At least the US do this bit right by insisting that they answer questions under oath.Sometimes I think Parliament has become too much of a gentleman's club instead of the highest authority in the land.

a link to the recorded debate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/...00/9722602.stm

Maggy 24-05-2012 08:03
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/wo...nt&tntemail1=y

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A BBC journalist said Wednesday that the former tabloid newspaper editor Piers Morgan showed him how to hack into phones 10 years ago.
I think Jeremy Paxman enjoyed that.:D

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Frederic Michel(News Corp) and Adam Smith(Hunt's special adviser) to appear at the Leveson Inquiry today..

muppetman11 24-05-2012 15:03
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How much is this debacle costing us as taxpayers ?

devilincarnate 24-05-2012 18:49
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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

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Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt sent a memo to David Cameron suggesting his support for News Corp's bid for BSkyB before he was put in charge of the bid, the Leveson Inquiry heard.

Mr Hunt said the UK's media sector "would suffer for years" if the deal was blocked, according to a memo.

This was sent to Mr Hunt's ex-special adviser Adam Smith on 19 November 2010 before it went to Mr Cameron.

Number 10 said the memo was "entirely consistent" with Mr Hunt's public view.

Downing Street confirmed the prime minister received the memo, and that Mr Hunt had said in a previous newspaper interview there were no plurality grounds for blocking the deal.
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In the memo the culture secretary warned James Murdoch was "furious" about Business Secretary Vince Cable's handling of the BSkyB bid.

The document expressed concerns that referring the bid to Ofcom could leave the government "on the wrong side of media policy".
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The government has suggested the string of emails previously published by the inquiry showed Mr Michel had exaggerated the extent of his access to Mr Hunt's department.

But questioned by counsel to the inquiry, Robert Jay QC, Mr Michel denied he had "bigged up" the information Mr Smith gave him.

"I think my emails, as they were internal emails, were an accurate account of the conversations I have had," he said.
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But after Mr Hunt was handed responsibility for the BSkyB bid in December 2010, the culture secretary said in a text message exchange that all business contact "now needs to be through official channels until decision made..."

On 3 March 3 2011, Mr Hunt told MPs he was minded to accept the BSkyB takeover after News Corp offered to spin off Sky News. In response to the lobbyist's text that he was "great at the Commons", Mr Hunt replied: "Merci. Large drink tonight!"

Mr Michel contacted Mr Hunt by text message later in March 2011 after his appearance on Andrew Marr's BBC programme to say he had been "very good". Mr Hunt replied: "Merci hopefully when consultation over we can have a coffee like the old days!"

When News Corp withdrew the BSkyB bid, Mr Hunt's response to a text from Mr Michel said "It has been the most challenging time for all of us... would be great to catch up when the dust has settled."

Mr Jay referred to an email in which Mr Michel called on the secretary of state, via Mr Smith, to "show some backbone" and dismiss Ofcom's calls for concessions.

Mr Michel told the inquiry: "It's my English - I might use words in a more melodramatic way than I intended."

Under earlier questioning, Mr Michel agreed Mr Hunt was "keeping an open mind" about the bid but when asked whether he had been supportive of it, he replied: "I can't say."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18187228

Or is it just me?

Maggy 24-05-2012 18:59
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18197554

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Downing Street confirmed the prime minister received the memo from Mr Hunt.
A spokesman said the views on the bid in the e-mail were "entirely consistent with his public statement" when he had said in a previous newspaper interview that there were no plurality grounds for blocking it.
I think they are missing the point...

mertle 25-05-2012 09:50
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indeed maggy

devilincarnate yep thinking with the brilliant way this been posted there both gooses are cooked.

When you see the text's in timeline to how the actions hunt acted in parliment we see very way that he was clearly batting and texting for news Corp.

Interesting when he started to wane in under pressure mitchel texted him to have more backbone.

For him to suggest it was mistake of english makes you laugh at his weak defence.

Its amazing how people cracking. You would thought murdocks with there wealth could employ steal of iron protection.

Clearly despite hunts second part of being impartial the first bit worrying to say the least.

Cameron just dumped cable then jumps to supporter. Not looking good on his judgement

Stuart 25-05-2012 10:31
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35432363)
How much is this debacle costing us as taxpayers ?
Debacle? I personally think it's rather important that we at least find out how "friendly" the Murdochs were with various members of various governments.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35432261)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/wo...nt&tntemail1=y

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A BBC journalist said Wednesday that the former tabloid newspaper editor Piers Morgan showed him how to hack into phones 10 years ago.
I think Jeremy Paxman enjoyed that.:D
He probably did..

Actually, I remember reading in Private Eye a while back how Piers Morgan (who was in the process of claiming he wasn't involved in hacking) had talked about things in his autobiography that it is unlikely he would have found out any other way, and even talked a little about how they did it. They even listed page numbers.

Maggy 25-05-2012 12:24
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18203161

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Former Prime Minister Tony Blair is to appear before the Leveson Inquiry into media standards on Monday.
Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt will give evidence on Thursday, the inquiry witness list shows.
He will be asked about his office's links with News Corp during its bid to take over satellite broadcaster BSkyB.
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Next Tuesday, Education Secretary Michael Gove and Home Secretary Theresa May will appear at the inquiry. Business Secretary Vince Cable and Justice Secretary Ken Clarke will appear on Wednesday.


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Mr Cameron said: "I don't regret giving the job to Jeremy Hunt, it was the right thing to do in the circumstances, which were not of my making."The PM told This Morning: "The crucial point, the really crucial point, is did Jeremy Hunt carry out his role properly with respect to BSkyB and I believe that he did."
I'm wondering just how much more revelations there are to come looking at the witness list.

mertle 25-05-2012 12:39
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you do wonder ho to be fly on the wall on those private meetings and gettogethers.

Sadly only way would to find out what was realy said one them to have been wiretapped. Saying that you would not bet against them from news corp. With atitude if we going down we taking others with them.

I am getting are this who going take prisioners first. I think closer it gets to one party they will spill beans big style.

Hugh 25-05-2012 12:53
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And I think you just like conspiracy theories and hypothesising stuff that supports your agenda........;)

Maggy 25-05-2012 14:21
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35432745)
Will he be under oath?

Not sure I'd believe anything he says even then.
Of course.Everyone swears the oath.

Mick 25-05-2012 14:34
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This is looking extremely unfavourable for both Hunt and Cameron. The idea is you put someone impartial in place to make sure a fair and open decision was made on the BSkyb bid. How you can put someone in place who was clearly not impartial leads to asking questions of by just how much were the Murdoch's filling the Government's pockets ?

nomadking 25-05-2012 14:54
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It was hardly a new and/or secret proposal, and as such MANY people would have already formed an opinion of one sort or another.

devilincarnate 25-05-2012 14:57
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35432768)
This is looking extremely unfavourable for both Hunt and Cameron. The idea is you put someone impartial in place to make sure a fair and open decision was made on the BSkyb bid. How you can put someone in place who was clearly not impartial leads to asking questions of by just how much were the Murdoch's filling the Government's pockets ?
Spot on Mick and Iwonder who else's pockets the Murdochs have been filling over the decades?

Maggy 25-05-2012 15:40
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35432769)
It was hardly a new and/or secret proposal, and as such MANY people would have already formed an opinion of one sort or another.
So? Knowledge of the proposal isn't the issue
The point is that Hunt was replacing someone who was known not to be impartial and yet Cameron KNEW that Hunt wasn't impartial.

Pretty stupid to remove someone on the grounds of non impartiality only to replace them with someone who also has no impartiality unless it was done deliberately.

devilincarnate 25-05-2012 15:55
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35432781)

Pretty stupid to remove someone on the grounds of non impartiality only to replace them with someone who also has no impartiality unless it was done deliberately.
They should have made them work together?

That would never have happened though?

nomadking 25-05-2012 15:57
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Many people will have already formed an opinion, so who could be impartial? There is a difference between somebody just being awkward with no reasoning(ie Cable, and not just on this) and somebody whose shadow cabinet area was the media, agreeing with a proposal, the details and arguments of which were publicly known.

Maggy 25-05-2012 16:04
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35432789)
Many people will have already formed an opinion, so who could be impartial? There is a difference between somebody just being awkward with no reasoning(ie Cable, and not just on this) and somebody whose shadow cabinet area was the media, agreeing with a proposal, the details and arguments of which were publicly known.
From this reply I can only assume you have read none of the Leveson inquiry transcripts or seen any of the Leveson inquiry reports.The number of texts,emails and phone calls between Michel and Smith belie any impartiality.
Frankly one has to wonder what Cameron's impartiality over the issue.

gba93 25-05-2012 16:16
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35432789)
Many people will have already formed an opinion, so who could be impartial? There is a difference between somebody just being awkward with no reasoning(ie Cable, and not just on this) and somebody whose shadow cabinet area was the media, agreeing with a proposal, the details and arguments of which were publicly known.
No, the difference is between someone who had made up their mind against the News Corp bid and someone who had made up their mind in favour (and who found out they were wrong) - but the real difference is Cameron got rid of the against and appointed the pro. So we know where Cameron stood on the News Corp versus public interest question - of course its different now he's been found out.

devilincarnate 25-05-2012 16:18
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Am I reading too much in to this
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BSkyB bid adjudication
In his evidence, Mr Stephens said he had been "particularly struck" by Mr Hunt's understanding of the proper processes required of his department in his quasi-judicial role over the BSkyB bid.

"To reach a fair and unbiased decision was the secretary of state's overriding concern to my observation, throughout the process."

Mr Stephens also said "there was a marked change in the natural style and approach" of Mr Hunt that he believed was being picked up by everyone, including Mr Smith.

Speaking about the role of Mr Smith in this process, Mr Stephens told the Leveson Inquiry that - as permanent secretary - he was not responsible for the conduct or discipline of special advisors, and he could not dismiss them.

He described the position of a special adviser as "rather unique", adding that Mr Hunt and Mr Smith had a "close relationship".

Mr Stephens said he had assumed Mr Smith was talking to someone with access to chief executive of News Corp, but did not "recall" knowing the extent of their discussion, just that they had contact over "unexceptional" matters of procedure.

Asked if he now believed he had had too much confidence in the judgement of Mr Smith, Mr Stephens said: "With the benefit of hindsight, clearly yes."

"At the time, I thought he showed good understanding of the role, good judgement and was careful in how he undertook the role."

Continue reading the main story
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Start Quote

This is ammunition for the culture secretary's critics who say his mind was made up to give the Murdochs what they wanted”

Nick Robinson
BBC political editor
A question of judgement
Mr Stephens previously refused to confirm to MPs whether he gave permission for Mr Smith to be the point of contact with News Corp during the BSkyB takeover bid process.

He later said in a letter that he was simply "aware and content" with the arrangement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18202042

nomadking 25-05-2012 16:19
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On what basis was the decision wrong? On what reasoned basis did Cable have his viewpoint?

Damien 25-05-2012 16:39
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35432797)
On what basis was the decision wrong? On what reasoned basis did Cable have his viewpoint?
He was appointed with his views already decided, and intend he made this views well known in government, but pretended to be independent and seemed to be helped News Corp from the inside.

nomadking 25-05-2012 16:50
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35432801)
He was appointed with his views already decided, and intend he made this views well known in government, but pretended to be independent and seemed to be helped News Corp from the inside.
Two questions and neither of them answered.:rolleyes: On what basis should Hunt have changed his view? In order to say no, he would have had to come up with reasons for that. Apart from people's views on Murdoch, what are they?

devilincarnate 25-05-2012 16:56
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35432807)
Two questions and neither of them answered.:rolleyes: On what basis should Hunt have changed his view? In order to say no, he would have had to come up with reasons for that. Apart from people's views on Murdoch, what are they?
Whatvare the 2 question's specifically as it maybe me but when I have read your posts I could not work out any questions?

Sorry I may need to read better?

nomadking 25-05-2012 17:05
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35432811)
Whatvare the 2 question's specifically as it maybe me but when I have read your posts I could not work out any questions?

Sorry I may need to read better?
The clue is in the two ?.

Damien 25-05-2012 17:23
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35432807)
Two questions and neither of them answered.:rolleyes: On what basis should Hunt have changed his view? In order to say no, he would have had to come up with reasons for that. Apart from people's views on Murdoch, what are they?
Because we're talking about the conflict of interest that Hunt had and his appointment to judge the bid when it was known he was already a firm supporter of it. It's not a question of it he reached the right decision, it's a question of the appearance that the government were going to let his deal be made regardless of the evidence against.

Indeed, we know he spent little time meeting those who were opposed to the bid. Their reasons, since you asked, was that the News International empire was already too big with their number of newspapers. The phone hacking case was also brought up as evidence they were not fit owners. However Hunt appeared not to want to listen to these arguments as the decision had been made before he was even appointed.

devilincarnate 25-05-2012 17:23
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35432819)
The clue is in the two ?.
Nope you will need to clarify as I have got 1 year old pulling his self up on me as he is not happy with the heat? So my mind is mashed.

nomadking 25-05-2012 17:36
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What had owning 3 newspapers with no overlap got the slightest thing to do with owning a broadcaster, that he already owns a large chunk of. Any decision was BEFORE Leveson, so how could the decision be influenced either way by something hadn't fully come to light. Even then, how is it that somebody(Blair & Brown) can successfully claim ignorance of what is going on, in their name and in their office, but somebody else(ie not a Labour MP) gets blamed for something occurring on the other side of an ocean. Murdoch gets the 'blame' anyway with anything connected to BSkyB, so what would change?

Damien 25-05-2012 17:57
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35432842)
What had owning 3 newspapers with no overlap got the slightest thing to do with owning a broadcaster, that he already owns a large chunk of. Any decision was BEFORE Leveson, so how could the decision be influenced either way by something hadn't fully come to light. Even then, how is it that somebody(Blair & Brown) can successfully claim ignorance of what is going on, in their name and in their office, but somebody else(ie not a Labour MP) gets blamed for something occurring on the other side of an ocean. Murdoch gets the 'blame' anyway with anything connected to BSkyB, so what would change?
You would be livid if this was Labour then?

They are not absolved but this incident took place under the current government so they are in the firing line.

nomadking 25-05-2012 18:03
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35432846)
You would be livid if this was Labour then?

They are not absolved but this incident took place under the current government so they are in the firing line.
Not on this, but the Labour examples were MUCH more serious and often involved money changing hands in order for the government to have a particular policy or approach.

Maggy 25-05-2012 19:30
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18204074

Peston's summary on Hunt's decision.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18207480
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Detectives have arrested another News International journalist in the probe into payments to public officials.
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The BBC understands that the woman is a current member of staff at News International, the parent company of the Sun, the Times, the Sunday Times and, before it was closed, the News of the World.

devilincarnate 25-05-2012 19:32
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35432874)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18204074

Peston's summary on Hunt's decision.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18207480
Where does the Rabbit hole stop?:confused:

mertle 25-05-2012 22:43
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...for-BSkyB.html

Pretty bad this too Hunt was warned off by lawyers to intervene with Vince Cable scrutiny.

Why did he need to convey his thoughts clearly the hole dug much bigger.

the longer cameron defends him its worse for him too. The nation will see cameron as puppet for news corp the longer he sticks by hunt. Thats not if the consensus is already that now considering he sacked anti news corp for pro news corp man.

I have feeling that within 14 day hunt will be forced to resign to protect cameron.

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some interesting website done whois on news corp businesses. They claiming links with to hunts business hotcourses to a company from News corp.

including they found advert for job which links to newscorp and hunt business for the position.

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On 9th June 2011, this Job ad appeared on The Times website – a Newscorp publication. The employer named in the ad was Milkround. There is nothing suspicious in that: but what’s damning about this advertisement is that while the employer is Milkround.com, the specific position is ‘Web Experience Executive , Hotcourses Ltd’.

There maybe errors or misunderstanding or quite inocolous need further clarification/investigated neverless. The web raises some questions for sure.

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/05/...subscribe-blog

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Under websites related to Newscorp at the link above is an entry for one company called Schoolsnet.com. Sites tracing its ownership use the phrase ‘Registrant obfuscated – see raw whois data’. The website itself says in tiny letters under the brand name ‘Powered by Hotcourses’. And surprise, surprise…there’s an ad for Hotcourses on there.
In fact, schoolsnet.com appears to be a trading name…and every effort has been employed to hide who is behind it. But the trail leads very clearly back to Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

Hugh 25-05-2012 23:02
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OMG - a job ad appeared in the Times in mid 2011 for a company he had stood down from as a Director 18 months before.

This proves he is corrupt!!!!!

btw, 'obfuscated' is implying unclear or hidden - go to the Schoolsnet.com website and look at the bottom of the page, where it shows ( and in letters the same size as the rest, not 'tiny')
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© 2011 Hotcourses Ltd All rights reserved
new definition of 'hidden' I hadn't come across before....

And if you go on the Hotcourses website, you find this
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In September 2003 Hotcourses successfully completed its acquisition of Schoolsnet.com the UK's largest online directory of primary and secondary schools from both the state and independent sectors. The site, now an integral part of Hotcourses.com, allows parents to search by region and gain useful information about over 27,000 schools - including key stage results, classroom sizes and truancy rates.
Looks like the old 'let's throw enough ordure at the wall, some of it is bound to stick' tactic.

mertle 25-05-2012 23:14
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Even more criminating stuff tonight breaks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...signation.html
Quote:
David Cameron’s most senior civil servant tried to rewrite the resignation letter of Jeremy Hunt’s special adviser to make it appear as though he had acted without authorisation in his contacts with News Corporation, it has emerged.
The hole just got to chasm.

I am sure if cameron saw a sign quicksand ahead he would walk right in it.

Question is did he attempt to alter it on cameron's say so or did he act on his own.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35432958)
OMG - a job ad appeared in the Times in mid 2011 for a company he had stood down from as a Director 18 months before.

This proves he is corrupt!!!!!
I think the article alleged showing links to the businesses when they seperate companies with one being news corp the others hunts. If the advert not errored then you must ask how can position work for both businesses.

Like I said not sure on anything sitting on the fence with this. I have used whois before it can cause errors. It maybe errors or missunderstanding read the full article hugh.

Hugh 25-05-2012 23:17
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Keep up the innuendo and smearing, mertle - the Sun will offer you a job soon....

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35432962)
Even more criminating stuff tonight breaks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...signation.html


The hole just got to chasm.

I am sure if cameron saw a sign quicksand ahead he would walk right in it.

Question is did he attempt to alter it on cameron's say so or did he act on his own.

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I think the article alleged showing links to the businesses when they seperate companies with one being news corp the others hunts. If the advert not errored then you must ask how can position work for both businesses.

Like I said not sure on anything sitting on the fence with this. I have used whois before it can cause errors. It maybe errors or missunderstanding read the full article hugh.
'allege' all you want - a quick google show it is easy to show, on their own and other websites, there is no intention to hide any links between Schoolsnet and Hotcourses (Hotcourses owns Schoolsnet, not NI) which is what is implied - gutter journalism.

Many companies advertise jobs in the Times - not just NI companies.

If Hunt has done something wrong, he should be fired - but not because of ill-founded smear and innuendo.

mertle 25-05-2012 23:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35432958)
OMG - a job ad appeared in the Times in mid 2011 for a company he had stood down from as a Director 18 months before.

This proves he is corrupt!!!!!

btw, 'obfuscated' is implying unclear or hidden - go to the Schoolsnet.com website and look at the bottom of the page, where it shows ( and in letters the same size as the rest, not 'tiny') new definition of 'hidden' I hadn't come across before....

And if you go on the Hotcourses website, you find this

Looks like the old 'let's throw enough ordure at the wall, some of it is bound to stick' tactic.
which why sat on the fence hugh.

Hugh 25-05-2012 23:26
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No, he didn't - but don't let facts spoil your prejudice.

Schoolsnet is a wholly owned subsidiary of Hotcourses (according to your link).

Maggy 26-05-2012 08:07
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This thread is about the News Corp Scandal only.Stick to the subject.Anyone who has other corruption charges to make about other organisations should start another thread about it.

Any further off topic posts will be removed.

mertle 27-05-2012 11:29
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michel dropped lib dems into the mix now after clegg had said they not got close like labour/conservatives.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...eveson-inquiry

This wont help clegg at all. If the allegation founded lib dems in big trouble if they was not before.

How many those who say they still supported lib dem was on the grounds they only party not caught up in this.

Have a fear this will destroy british politics when its over.

denphone 27-05-2012 11:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35432363)
How much is this debacle costing us as taxpayers ?
Its better to get to the bottom of the truth MM as it will reveal just how corrupt certain individuals and organisations were and as we are seeing the corruption is far more insidious and nefarious then we could ever imagine.

mertle 27-05-2012 12:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35433478)
Its better to get to the bottom of the truth MM as it will reveal just how corrupt certain individuals and organisations were and as we are seeing the corruption is far more insidious and nefarious then we could ever imagine.
indeed dont care on the costs we need to find the truth and bottom of the mess.

Just hopefully politics comes out this cleaner

Maggy 27-05-2012 22:28
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Blair at Leveson Tomorrow.
Michael Gove MP Tuesday
Theresa May MP Tuesday
Vince Cable MP Wednesday
Ken Clarke MP Wednesday
Jeremy Hunt MP Friday.

Should be an interesting week..I wonder how much back stabbing there will be?

Maggy 28-05-2012 10:08
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Blair is on now.Anyone interested can find it on BBC 24/7 at the moment or at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18232204

Also here http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/hearings/

Osem 28-05-2012 11:57
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I hope someone's thought to measure Blair's nose before and after he gives his evidence.

Maggy 28-05-2012 12:21
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One war protester escorted from the Inquiry..:D

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Blair seems to be emphasising that he was keeping the media on side so as to not be attacked.That he was managing them but not acceding to their demands.

Also emphasising that his friendships with Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks developed after his resignation.

Maggy 28-05-2012 15:42
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Well Blair seemed his own unctuous self and very,very careful not too damn too many.

The only event that will be remembered is the war protester.

Damien 28-05-2012 15:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35433887)
Well Blair seemed his own unctuous self and very,very careful not too damn too many.

The only event that will be remembered is the war protester.
He gave the performance you would expect. Interesting, conceding minor failings whilst objecting to the major ones, quite honest about matters for which he can't be blamed. It was interesting that he said it was important Cameron was not left 'politically exposed' by the findings of the report and that party politics shouldn't get involved. Basically saying Labour shouldn't make the final report a political weapon lest it causes nothing to be done.

Osem 28-05-2012 17:07
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Don't see how Labour can make much capital out of it when they wined and dined Murdoch et al for over a decade and so much of what's gone on happened on their watch.

watzizname 28-05-2012 21:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35433937)
Don't see how Labour can make much capital out of it when they wined and dined Murdoch et al for over a decade and so much of what's gone on happened on their watch.
Indeed, but given that it actually began on the Tories watch, there seems little point focusing on either party, as they both seem as culpable as each other..

So long as something is done to prevent any further coziness and underhanded practices involving our media, we can probably all sleep a little easier.

devilincarnate 28-05-2012 21:43
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It will be fun to se who the papers pick at the next election after this has run its course?

Damien 28-05-2012 21:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by watzizname (Post 35434039)
Indeed, but given that it actually began on the Tories watch, there seems little point focusing on either party, as they both seem as culpable as each other..

So long as something is done to prevent any further coziness and underhanded practices involving our media, we can probably all sleep a little easier.
It began with the newspapers themselves. Blair was right when he said that he was seeking to control them, not create them.

Osem 28-05-2012 22:24
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Blair was seeking to use them for his own ends. The master of lies and spin didn't invent News International but he certainly knew how to benefit from them. Of course now he's out od power his recollections are somewhat different - perhaps he shouldn't have shredded so many documents... :rolleyes:

Damien 28-05-2012 22:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35434083)
Blair was seeking to use them for his own ends. The master of lies and spin didn't invent News International but he certainly knew how to benefit from them. Of course now he's out od power his recollections are somewhat different - perhaps he shouldn't have shredded so many documents... :rolleyes:
So does Cameron, which is the point. This seem to be a necessity to a successful political career because some areas of the press can make life every difficult otherwise.

Sirius 29-05-2012 06:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35434040)
It will be fun to se who the papers pick at the next election after this has run its course?
who ever picked on them the least ;)

Osem 29-05-2012 09:34
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@ Damien - Yes of course they need and seek the support of the press and the rest of the media. Nothing new there - been going on for decades on all sides. The point is that Blair has a very good reason NOT to make a big party political stink about all this because his party's 'relationship' with NI lasted far longer than Cameron's has and most of the serious wrongdoing seems to have occurred at the same time. Any damage done to the Conservatives would probably be minimal compared to that done to Blair's reputation and Labour's image.

Damien 29-05-2012 10:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35434151)
@ Damien - Yes of course they need and seek the support of the press and the rest of the media. Nothing new there - been going on for decades on all sides. The point is that Blair has a very good reason NOT to make a big party political stink about all this because his party's 'relationship' with NI lasted far longer than Cameron's has and most of the serious wrongdoing seems to have occurred at the same time. Any damage done to the Conservatives would probably be minimal compared to that done to Blair's reputation and Labour's image.
Well yeah. I wasn't expecting him to make a stink about it. As for serious wrongdoing that wasn't so much Blair's doing, although I remain deeply suspicious of why the police rejected an investigation when The Guardian originally broke the story back in 2009. I think Cameron's relationship with NI was only brought to a halt because of the current investigation, he would have maintained a relationship with them as long as he could as well.

Hence I think, BSkyB approval aside, this isn't the fault of a single party but the system in the country where the Government has to maintain a good relationship with certain media bosses to the extent where they hold far too much influence over the state.

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Incidentally The Guardian's Amelia Hill will not face prosecution over her reporting leaked information regarding this case.

Osem 29-05-2012 11:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35434160)
Well yeah. I wasn't expecting him to make a stink about it. As for serious wrongdoing that wasn't so much Blair's doing, although I remain deeply suspicious of why the police rejected an investigation when The Guardian originally broke the story back in 2009. I think Cameron's relationship with NI was only brought to a halt because of the current investigation, he would have maintained a relationship with them as long as he could as well.

Hence I think, BSkyB approval aside, this isn't the fault of a single party but the system in the country where the Government has to maintain a good relationship with certain media bosses to the extent where they hold far too much influence over the state.
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that serious wrongdoing was Blair's doing or even done with his knowledge, merely that his government was enjoying a very cosy relationship with NI during the many years in which it seems the worst abuses took place. Who knows what Cameron would have done if it hadn't come to light.... What we are finding out, however, is what actually happened and in that respect Blair/New Labour have a lot more to lose than Cameron.

BTW, just to prove I'm not having a day off, I could list some of Blair's many misdeeds but they're all very well known. ;)

Maggy 29-05-2012 12:30
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I don't care at all who was more wrong than the other.I just want the Murdoch influence to be at an end whomever is in power.Pointing fingers is NOT the way to go..

The way to go is forward and to get the press/media,politicians and police back in their respective boxes with some sort of workable media authority with teeth and some sort of oversight committee to keep the politicians at a distance from the media.

I also believe that the private investigator community needs sorting out as well with a very firm ethical code

What to do about keeping other members of public bodies under control such as were bought and corrupted by the instigators of the Dark Arts I'm not sure.

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Theresa May giving evidence at the moment.

Damien 29-05-2012 12:36
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I agree with both of you. Ultimately this was why what Blair said was interesting, he was directing is own party and it's leadership not to use the inquiry as a political tool. If it seems to be partisan then it will be harder to get anything done and this all would have been a waste of time of money.

Maggy 29-05-2012 14:41
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Gove giving evidence..As a former journalist with a journalist wife seems to have a nicely incestuous relationship with the Murdochs and Brooks.

devilincarnate 29-05-2012 19:21
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I did not watch today but I bet this was good?

Quote:
The case for more regulation of the press needs to be very strong "before we further curtail liberty", Michael Gove has told the Leveson Inquiry.

The education secretary said he was "concerned about any prior restraint and on their [journalists'] exercising of freedom of speech."

He said existing laws should be used to judge individuals and institutions.

Lord Justice Leveson said he did "not need to be told about the importance of free speech".

"But I am concerned that the effect of what you say might be that you are in fact taking the view that behaviour which everybody so far in this inquiry has said is unacceptable, albeit not necessarily criminal, has to be accepted because
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18245965

Maggy 29-05-2012 20:04
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Well I fell about at Alistair Campbell's tweet.
Quote:
That extraordinary moment when a very clever judge realises the man in charge of our children's education is a well spoken idiot

Maggy 30-05-2012 07:40
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Vince Cable and Kenneth Clarke today.

Ken usually provides a laugh or two.:)

Maggy 30-05-2012 10:07
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And Vince is up first.

Russ 30-05-2012 10:15
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Coulson's in trouble :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18262740

This puts me in a very good mood :)

gba93 30-05-2012 10:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35434374)
Well I fell about at Alistair Campbell's tweet.
Just goes to prove you can fool some of the people all of the time (and with Gove it appears all too easy):

Mr Gove was asked about Mr Murdoch potentially backing a free school - one of Mr Gove's key policies as education secretary - saying he believed the media tycoon's interest was "purely philanthropic".

Now Gove's true intentions come to light:

He did admit, however, that he was open-minded on such free schools making a profit, unlike other members of the coalition.

Does this worry anybody apart from me?

Maggy 30-05-2012 11:54
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I wonder if Cameron is still as cool about employing Coulson?:)

I'm also wondering just how many others can be proved to have committed perjury..

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18262229

Quote:
The editors of the Daily Mirror and Sunday Mirror have been made redundant as the two newspapers merge into one title, it has been announced.
Quote:
Two new editors will also be hired to run the weekday and weekend editions.
The publisher said both roles would report to Mr Embley and the new appointments, together with a new editor for The People, would be announced "imminently".
I wonder if this or this had any bearing on the decision to hire new editors instead of keeping them on as editors.

Hugh 30-05-2012 13:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35434521)
Just goes to prove you can fool some of the people all of the time (and with Gove it appears all too easy):

Mr Gove was asked about Mr Murdoch potentially backing a free school - one of Mr Gove's key policies as education secretary - saying he believed the media tycoon's interest was "purely philanthropic".

Now Gove's true intentions come to light:

He did admit, however, that he was open-minded on such free schools making a profit, unlike other members of the coalition.

Does this worry anybody apart from me?
I have a huge problem with free schools making a profit - I don't have a problem with them making a surplus, which is then re-invested in the school facilities and infrastructure, but not a profit to be paid to staff/owners.

BenMcr 30-05-2012 14:17
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So let me get this right?

Private schools which (as I understand it) for the most part generate their own income and reinvest surplus as they are charities = bad

Schools which are publicly funded but not publicly controlled and can potentially take money out of local authorties for profit = good

Maggy 30-05-2012 14:26
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Let's not stray from the topic please.

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Ken Clarke currently giving evidence at Leveson. Leveson having trouble getting a word in..:)

denphone 30-05-2012 15:12
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Vince Cable: Lib Dems faced 'veiled threats' over Murdoch's BSkyB bid.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...doch-bskyb-bid

Quote:
Vince Cable has told the Leveson inquiry that Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation made "veiled threats" that if he did not approve the company's BSkyB takeover his Liberal Democrat party would be "done over" by its newspapers.

The business secretary – who was responsible for adjudicating on the Sky bid in its early stages – said that he had heard about the company's apparently aggressive stance "directly and indirectly from colleagues", who he did not name.

Cable added that he thought "somebody used the phrase 'done over' by the News International press" and that "I took those things seriously."

He said that he believed that the threats emerged "in conversation" between Lib Dem colleagues and News Corp lobbyist Frédéric Michel, adding "but I can't be absolutely certain".

Pressed by Robert Jay QC, counsel to the inquiry, if Michel's name was "expressly mentioned to you" by, Cable said that "it was at that stage, yes indeed".

The cabinet minister said that he told by "one individual" that Michel had said this "but he told me in confidence and I don't want to breach that confidence".

He added that he refused to be intimidated by these veiled threats in his handling of the News Corp/BSkyB deal.

Derek 31-05-2012 06:30
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Coulson has been charged with perjury.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18262740

Quote:
Prime Minister David Cameron's former director of communications Andy Coulson has been arrested by police and charged with perjury.

Mr Coulson, 44, has now been released, after being detained at his London home at 06:30 BST by Strathclyde Police.
Whilst this makes me smile and gives me a warm glow inside I do hope it doesn't mean Tommy Sheridan wins any appeal against his perjury conviction.

Maggy 31-05-2012 12:24
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Well Hunt is currently giving evidence..Only just got to it because I've just had to do some chores this morning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18277235

Chris 31-05-2012 13:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35435000)
Coulson has been charged with perjury.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18262740



Whilst this makes me smile and gives me a warm glow inside I do hope it doesn't mean Tommy Sheridan wins any appeal against his perjury conviction.
This is all we need, Tommy Sheridan all over our TV screens again. :grind:

denphone 31-05-2012 15:24
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Hunt defends 'congrats' Murdoch text.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18273297

Quote:
Jeremy Hunt sent a congratulatory text message to News Corp executive James Murdoch just hours before he was asked to oversee the firm's bid for BSkyB, the Leveson Inquiry has heard.

The culture secretary told Mr Murdoch it was "great" that European regulators did not intend to intervene.

Mr Hunt told the inquiry he had been "sympathetic" to the bid but "set aside" his views when given the role.

He also denied News Corp had influence within his office.

The decision to ask Mr Hunt to adjudicate on the BSkyB bid came after Business Secretary Vince Cable was stripped of responsibilities after telling undercover journalists he had "declared war" on News Corp chief Rupert Murdoch.

devilincarnate 31-05-2012 15:39
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I still wonder over this morning and this?

Quote:
1103
Mr Hunt texted Chancellor George Osborne expressing concern that Mr Cable's comments showed the process of judging the BSkyB bid was not being run fairly. On a reply from Mr Osborne that said "I hope you like the solution," Mr Hunt says he thought he knew it was "in the offing" that responsibility may be handed to him.

Mick 31-05-2012 16:10
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This just goes from bad to worse for Hunt and he is living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks he is still being impartial. He is sending and receiving texts to James Murdoch as though they were best buddies, here we have two people one, the top man from the company making the bid, News Corp and the other, a Government Cabinet Secretary responbile for making a decision on the bid itself. Hello?, wake up, you bloody idiot.

Maggy 31-05-2012 17:43
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18286371

Quote:
David Cameron has decided not order an inquiry into whether Jeremy Hunt broke the ministerial code after he was grilled at the Leveson Inquiry.
Not surprised..:rolleyes:

denphone 31-05-2012 17:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35435250)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18286371


Not surprised..:rolleyes:
Its called holding hands while the ship sails into the next iceberg.:)

Mick 31-05-2012 17:53
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You have gone down in my estimation Cameron for literally sweeping this under the carpet and also knowingly giving the position of control of this bid to someone who was not and has certainly displayed 'privately' that he was in favour of the bid. So much for cleaning up politics Cameron. :td:

Harriet Harman on Sky News bit ago saying along the lines of "Prime Minister may not be bothered, but we are. Jeremy Hunt has clearly broken the Ministerial code (several times over) and he has misled Parliament. David Cameron may find it acceptable but we don't, It is unacceptable."

As much as I despise the Labour Party and all it stands for, I actually agree with Harriet Harman on this one.

devilincarnate 31-05-2012 18:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35435250)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18286371


Not surprised..:rolleyes:
Is he that confident that something will not come back to bite him?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35435260)
You have gone down in my estimation Cameron for literally sweeping this under the carpet and also knowingly giving the position of control of this bid to someone who was not and has certainly displayed 'privately' that he was in favour of the bid. So much for cleaning up politics Cameron. :td:.
He has never been in my estimations :confused:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35435260)
Harriet Harman on Sky News bit ago saying along the lines of "Prime Minister may not be bothered, but we are. Jeremy Hunt has clearly broken the Ministerial code (several times over) and he has misled Parliament. David Cameron may find it acceptable but we don't, It is unacceptable.".
This needs to be looked at?

Mick 31-05-2012 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35435274)



Why do you despise them? I take it you are not from a Mining community?
Not wanting to stray off-topic with my answer but the simple answer is that I was not happy with the 13 years of Labour rule and all the crap that happened while they were in power.

People were telling me just after the budget that this will be a one term government and I firmly believe it will be. But this doesn't mean I want Labour back in power either.

I cannot stand MP's who put their own interests before everyone elses, and Jeremy Hunt is so clearly guilty of this.

So who to have in power? A party that actually listens to the nation AND works on what matters to the people. Not have Ministers in place that fight for their own interests and I want a party that can restore cleaniness in politics. I am all for democracy, but it is far too dirty at the moment and if Cameron doesn't get his bloody act together, he will be on the Opposition benches come 2015.

devilincarnate 31-05-2012 18:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35435287)
Not wanting to stray off-topic with my answer but the simple answer is that I was not happy with the 13 years of Labour rule and all the crap that happened while they were in power.

People were telling me just after the budget that this will be a one term government and I firmly believe it will be. But this doesn't mean I want Labour back in power either.

I cannot stand MP's who put their own interests before everyone elses, and Jeremy Hunt is so clearly guilty of this.

So who to have in power? A party that actually listens to the nation AND works on what matters to the people. Not have Ministers in place that fight for their own interests and I want a party that can restore cleaniness in politics. I am all for democracy, but it is far too dirty at the moment and if Cameron doesn't get his bloody act together, he will be on the Opposition benches come 2015.
Very true. Could we have a government of equal members of all parties so that it would be a proper coalition:confused:

Then we would not be going through this about press an Polotics?

denphone 31-05-2012 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35435291)
Very true. Could we have a government of equal members of all parties so that it would be a proper coalition:confused:
l am not sure l want that either.

Maggy 31-05-2012 19:05
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What we need is for more of the population to be engaged in the political process.The local elections this month only had a turnout of around 30%..That's hardly a resounding seal of approval.

However all that has emerged on this issue has just put more people off voting.:(

devilincarnate 31-05-2012 19:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35435315)
What we need is for more of the population to be engaged in the political process.The local elections this month only had a turnout of around 30%..That's hardly a resounding seal of approval.

However all that has emerged on this issue has just put more people off voting.:(
Well could we do the same as some countries as they will fine if they do not vote as well?

denphone 31-05-2012 19:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35435319)
Well could we do the same as some countries as they will fine if they do not vote as well?
Excellent idea.


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