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Hi Foreverwar, l HAVE always accepted what people have said, especially what people think of what l say, this is all part of life, you learn by mistakes, and if l am wrong, l will say that.
All l am trying to say is, it takes a couple of seconds to take a child, by a an oppotunist, to take a child. That to me is the end of the matter.;) |
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Although the pope might or might not have charged for the visit, flights to and from Rome as well as any other related costs were certainly not met by the Vatican. The Maddie Fund was not as far as I recall a Mr & Mrs McCann Spiritual Healing or Comfort Fund. My point is that Gerry is pointing the finger at other elements for profiteering from his daughter's disappearance, when in fact he is open to the same sort of accusation from others.
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An artist's impression has been drawn of the latest suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The image shows a "very ugly" man who appeared to watch the apartment where the three-year-old's family was staying on the day before she vanished. Investigators have received hundreds of phone calls since the McCanns appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show in the US. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8036937.stm |
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Yes on the 2nd anniversary of her disappearence a whole new suspect turns up who if what we are told is true would be very hard to have not noticed and yet only now does he appear. I am not too sure about this or why only now he has come to anyone's attention.
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I am not saying they are lying i think someone somewhere probably thought this was a good way to get things moving again. Given the time and media attention that was devoted to this at the time i find it almost impossible to believe such a physically obvious suspect wasn't mentioned at all given the amount of innocent people that were dragged into the accusatio ring that surrounded this. I don't know whats going on but i am struggling to believe this is only just coming out now and why no one prior has mentioned him or anyone like him at the time she went missing which would seem to be the time to mention it.
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I think I would find this sudden emergence of new suspect more believable if the artist's impression of the man didn't portray him as the archetypal baddie.
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See no one believes me, l have said from the beginning, about this stranger, and it hinges on this person on the disappearance of Maddie, you see IF people look into the facts of what hppened, the whole question hinges on this guy, and as the retired police officers have said, there are still some unanswered on the Island.
I said at the time, that it was known that Phedo's were in the area, there was a known sex offender killed the day after she went missing, and then it went quiet on the matter and it was all hinging on the main suspect,. Therefore the main culprit was riding off into the sunset with Maddie. |
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With all due respect Arthur you can say paedo's are about anytime you like in relation to anywhere in the world so that statement while accurate doesn't really prove a point beyond doubt. I will admit i might have missed it but i certainly don't remember any mention of this guy before recently and given this description of him i find it hard to believe it was completely missed wile so many others were dragged into the suspects arena.
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Thanks Garry. It makes a bit more sense now. Maybe the distinctive features of this man will now work in Madeleine's favour. Let's hope so.
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Well lets hope it leads somewhere positive and not where many of us fear this is all going to end.
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Hi Rizzyking, Although, the stranger, who is now the prime target, doesn't have to be a phedo, It was said at the time of the kidnapping, that there area was known to the police, that they were in the area, at the time.
It appears very strange, that the police did not take up this stranger situation, as this is where it all hinges. I must confess, it saddens me, when Gerry McCann was walking down the road, to the apartment, the locals were shouting 'go home' which is sick too me, we have a child that has gone missing, HOW do we know if more children have not gone missing in the area, and no one has bothered talking about it.:) |
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In your last statement, you are asking a non-provable question. btw, re your post last night - the Algarve is in Portugal, which is part of the Iberian Peninsula, which is part of mainland Europe; not an island. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/05/31.gif |
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Hi Foreverwar, the smiley face, was my sign of friendship between forum members, it was not placed in an appropriate manner.
I for one, really feel for this family, their child has been snatched, and someone, somewhere must know where she is, my saying of ' there could be more children gone missing' you never know, children go missing everyday, all over the world, the Maddie affair has higlighted this, although there are organisations, that look for these poor kids or the vulnerable, adults etc, what we should have in this big TV world, is a Tv Station that should show 24 hours a day, when these people go missing, we have a series on BBC, that is for this purpose, that is long enough. |
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I would be suprised if the police didn't have a list of people's know to be capable of this and in the area.
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Potentially libellous comments are NOT WELCOME at Cable Forum, as has been made abundantly clear in this thread many times. They may be your genuinely held opinion but that DOES NOT give you an absolute right to air them here.
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Whatever anyone's views on other aspects of this affair are i hope this is a genuine new suspect and one that leads somewhere. Although i sadly don't think maddie is alive would dearly love to be proved wrong i do think closure in some form on this matter is needed for all concerned.
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this from todays mail
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They are saying its damaged their reputation I would have though leaving 3 young children unattended and 1 going missing is more damage than what this book can cause
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While we all know the investigation was not a shining example of police work he has written this book and made his tv show quite a while after the events i would assume he has taken some if not a lot of legal advice and feels comfortable he can validate what he is claiming. He is certainly a persistent man and while it might all be a big scam to cover up any failings maybe he does have something i guess time will tell as this is definately going to a court soon.
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I bet anyone, that IF this does go to court - Sky will be there to film every minute, if this idiotic cop, is prepared to fight this claim against the McCanns, then my saying is - watch this space.
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Madeleine McCann inquiry timeline
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13386785 Should the PM Have Got Involved? Following an open letter from Madeleine McCann's mother Kate, David Cameron has agreed for the Government to help the search for Maddie, four years after her disappearance in Portugal. Is he playing to the gallery? http://www.lbc.co.uk/madeleine-mccan...involved-39858 |
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She went missing abroad and everyone seems too saying ` Oh Well. She`s gone so thats that then`.......:mad::td: This is a child we`re talking about here you know. FFS if it was your own child, you`d have gone over the edge by now, I would`ve.:confused: |
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I've been reading this searliasation in the Sun. To me, when reading it, they seem to blame everyone else apart from themselves for maddie still being missing. From the police, to the hotel receptionist. They said they didnt get a baby sitter because they didnt want their kids in the company of a stranger whilst they were out eating only about 'a 45 second walk' away. What a load of crock. The people most to blame for the kid being missing is themselves, through their own selfishness of leaving 3 kids, the oldest being 4, in a room alone (not even in their own home) whilst they went out to enjoy wine and tapas with their mates.
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The "who is to blame" has already been done to death, and really is a bit irrelevant four years later, no need to go around in circles again.
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To answer you directly Budweiser we all feel bad that a 4 year old has gone missing and being honest by making this public they forced david cameron's hand a bit. If he turns round and says no more time or resources will be spent he would be villified by the mc'canns something they have become quite adept at doing to all but themselves.
He has to give public support but in reality what exactly would the mc'canns like us to have our intelligence services devoting time and resources on this perhaps we can have an sas unit on standby to fly in and investigate sightings i mean seriously what do they expect us to do. Also in the last few years you've had everyone from ex sas, sbs, mossad, kgb\fsb, stasi and cia looking to claim both the reward and the kudos that would go with it and what has come of all those people all their time and effort zilch nothing not a damn thing. Like it or not we have to face the very real possibility that she is gone (putting aside my own personal beliefs which i won't repeat) and is never coming back now the choice here is for the mc'canns to move on much as anyone can and also start to take their lion share of the blame in this something they seem to fail to do. Marty has a good point it isn't just this child or person that has gone missing why not all of them, no sorry but this issue has become so medialised (yes i know not a word but you know what i mean) that anything other then enthusiasm and pledges of support and efforts is political and almost with some people social suicide. |
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Is it true that they waited till her Birthday to ask the PM for help?
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I'm trying not to read anything about the Mccanns, I don't want to spoil the movie when it comes out.
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This country is in a mess financially police forces are seeing resources cut and the mc'canns want an already scarce resource spent on something that by any definition is a cold case. What happened to all the money they got and the private people they hired if they didn't get anywhere why should the met suddenly uncover something new. Sorry this stinks to me of getting the media spotlight back.
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Is the government offering the same support to all families with children missing abroad? When does Ben Needham's review start?
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I would say that without this insistance by the McCann's, is good for all missing kids.
Lets be honest about this, There is NOTHING being done about missing kids in this country, apart from the excellant being done by Kids charities, But if a child goes missing in this country or another, everything goes quiet after a couple of months. BUT, with the Maddie situation, they are forcing the governments hands in doing something about it. I applaud the McCanns for doing what they are doing, and l trust and hope that Maddie is alive, IF she is found IT will be done by The Yard. |
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If there's enough money to provide drug addicts with methadone, then there should NOT be a shortage of money and resources to help find missing children.
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There are many good and noble things that we could plough time and resources into problem is both time and resources are finite and have to be managed accordingly. Allowing heart to rule head however distasteful it is isn't the way to run things and never should be allowed. Personally i hope there is public "we will do all we can" and in private carrying on as before.
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It's hard to believe that when I first started this thread 4 years ago she is still missing.
I believe one of the following scenarios has happened. (in no particular order) 1. She was stolen to order by a family who are rasing her as their own. 2. She woke up and tried to find her parents and was taken by a paedo in the area 3. A Paedo entered the house and took her for their person use. 4. She was taken by a sex gang to sell her. 5. The parent accidently killed her and disposed of the body somewhere. (I doubt this one but it has been voiced) 6. Kidnapped for a ransom, but something went wrong. If she is alive (which I doubt) she may turn up in her twenties. |
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(1) or (4) are most likely. (5) is laughable and several British newspapers have made eye-watering out-of-court payments for saying less. Please be careful.
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Well legal issues aside 5 cannot be completely ruled out by virtue that no one knows what happened to her nothing libellous there just a simple fact. I don't think she is going to be found by conventional methods police work is not going to do it. If and it is in my mind a big if she's still alive she will only reappear due to a screw up on the part of those who took her not very likely or she grows up finds out who she really is and comes forward.
Whatever your personal theory on all this one thing is for certain this incident was a tradegy for maddie but it is a tradegy that has happened to many others and i don't belileve the mc'canns have the right to emotionally blackmail anyone. As i said hard as it is they have to move on and let this go constantly pressuring people to do ths and that isn't going to help and certainly after all this time isn't going to magically make her appear. By all means run a full page spread each year i bet a few papers would probably waive their normal fee maybe even make the odd tele appeal but thats it. |
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What I find sad is that:
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Well maybe you'll answer Waldo if we should continue with this what exactly should we be doing that has not already been done exactly and how much time and resources should be allocated to this and for how long till it's ok to let it drop. Just so you know answers along the lines of "whatever it takes for as long as it takes" are not very practical so something realistic is what i am after given the finite resources this country has ?.
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Many believe the McCanns may have done it themselves, but that's just another conspiracy until proven otherwise. If this was the case I think they would let sleeping dogs lie. However they haven't. They are still appealing for information which could muddy the waters and bring up something they wanted to avoid if this was the case.. I do believe they were negligent in leaving the kids alone, but boy they are now paying the price and no one seems to care. It's a missing child. The same accusations were never levelled against the victims of Fred & Rose West for allowing them to be picked up by this evil couple. Nor against the parents of the victims of the Moors Murderers for letting their child go to a shop on their own. Milly Dowler's Parents for allowing her to walk home alone from school. It's a fine line re- allowing any child out of your sight. Not sure the Tabloids and the McCanns need to tell everyone that Kate went off sex. I thought this would be pretty obvious under the circumstances. |
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My feeling on this is that, whilst it's unfair for all this effort to be expended on one missing child and not all the others out there (whose parents possibly aren't quite so educated and articulate), it's always been the case that those who make the most noise get heard and the McCanns have certainly done that. I'd do the same if I were them but, equally, I wouldn't blame other people for feeling a degree of resentment about it.
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This abduction\murder\accident occurred in another country straight away our right to investgate gets a lot more complicated and thats forgetting that no police force in the UK has jurisdiction. Add in the time that has passed and the effect of that on evidence\witnesses most of which wasn't good when this was all fresh.
Yet were supposed to continue to plough in resources and time for something that didn't even happen in our country they may be british citizens and all that but they chose to go aborad they chose to leave their kids alone and now everyone else has to sort out the mess. Were in a mess in this country right now services that you and i rely on everyday are either being cut or are at risk of being cut and money should be spent on this seriously. You didn't answer my part about what to do what is there left to do that hasn't been done. They have already spent all the money from the maddie fund which was no small amount and got nothing numerous individuals have spent a lot of time and effort and got nothing. I would dearly love for her to turn up tomorrow and be ok i would dearly love all the kiddies that have gone missing abroad to turn up safe and sound but we have to be realistic. |
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Another year on and British detectives are conducting a review of the case, claiming to have all the evidence in the same place, at the same time, for the first time. Five years after Madeleine McCann's disappearance, I'm a tad surprised if this really is the *first* time the evidence has been sifted so thoroughly.
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I'd like to think that the Police expend the same amount of time and effort on all missing children but somehow doubt they do. I wonder how many parents who've been in similar circumstances have received this sort of attention. Whilst I'm sure they don't begrudge the McCanns anything, they must feel like second class citizens.
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You can't begrudge the McCann family for being so effective in keeping the search going, good luck to them, everyone hopes this tale has a happy ending. However it is probably evidence of the emotive storms that envelop the country from time to time. The annual Poppy crusades where newspapers start becoming judge and jury on who in the public eye hasn't displayed the required level of respect is another example. |
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Very true. So who's responsible for this decision and why was it made after all the previous goings on? As a genuine attempt to solve a crime? Has powerful (even political) pressure been brought to bear behind the scenes? Or is this just a way of demonstrating how thorough they've been and covering their backs in a high profile case? If this sort of thing isn't being routinely practised in similar, albeit less well known, unsolved cases, it seems to me the upper echelons of the Police may be behaving like politicians.
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Updated image of Madeleine using CGI http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17838052
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Although there has been the odd case, such as the one America, and Fritzel which is similar, where the abducted has been kept alive and hidden it is rare.
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I think she's still alive, don't know why just got a feeling
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She's dead, according to psychic scoundrel and proven liar Derek accorah
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Don't suppose he'll mind all the publicity.
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So let us not give him any more.;)
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Who would have thought when I started this thread 6 years ago she still would be missing.
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Madeleine McCann: Police ‘preparing to make first arrests’
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Three burglers to be arrested sounds more like "we gotta be seen to have been doing something" then anything meaningful.
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Do not forget the Ben Needham case 1991 in Greece the poor Mother has not received no were near as much help as the McCann's have.
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Could not agree with you more, let's pray they are found safe and well...
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Watching this article on Sky, is really good to think that something is finally being done. The only thing that has started this thread is the stinking attitude of the holiday maker. Who has said that the island is very pleased to see holidaymakers and that they are very friendly - buts it is sad that this dig, has come at a bad time for the tourist season. What if it was his own child ? The part that has to be looked at here, is that at the time of her disappearance - the island had sex assaults and burglaries at the time. I think that IF, they do find her body,then, it will be who killed her.:( |
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At the risk of infractions, I have long had my view of who killed her. I am not the only one who thinks that. What upsets me is that nobody has investigated the parents (or if they were investigated it was kept quiet) for negligence and bad parenting. If they can leave children alone on holiday in a foreign country, they can do it in this country.
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No, because even sitting out in the garden you are still on the premises and would assume you would hear someone breaking into your property. They weren't in the apartment, or near enough to the apartment to see whoever it was that took Maddie (ignoring my suspicions anyway) from the apartment. That is negligent behavior from the parents and also the friends who did not speak up (again, if they did it was never reported) about leaving 3 young children alone whilst they went out drinking.
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