Cable Forum - Brexit discussion

I don't think racism should be brought into this aspect of the BREXIT discussion.

My description of German hegemony alludes only to their economic and political goals.

If you are referring to the motives for voting leave by some of the population, you might be right. But if they were intelligent enough to have been aware of my argument, they would have voted leave on that basis.

You presumably agree with my description of German hegemony even if you don't see it as a reason to leave the EU.

Bringing the subject of racism into unconnected threads seems to be his penchant at the moment :rolleyes:

Besides, even if some actually voted to leave for racist reasons, they were at perfect liberty to do so. Some may not agree with it, some may not like it, but a democracy involves letting people have their say. This includes views different to ones own.

1andrew1

12-05-2018 00:51

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35946576)

The group's founder Aaron Banks has accused this as being "a politically motivated attack on Brexit by the Electoral Commission" (the body that oversees that election law is being correctly followed).

When someone attacks a regulator, they usually have something to hide.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35946548)

Here we go again with the whole "insular" rubbish most brexit voters are looking forward to global trade and global relationships that we set not have set for us so how are we going to become more insular??. Germany has massively benefitted from the EEC\EU for quite a while that's been their main motivation not doing the rest of us a favour. As for peace and security in europe the EU's push eastwood has caused more instability not less and talk of an EU military has only made Russia more nervous so not sure peace and security is a big plus for the EU.

The one common thread with pro EU people seems to be their belief that only the EU can keep the peace which is of course false NATO has been a far bigger peace keeper then the EU. I also have more faith in our european friends that if the EU vanished on saturday we wouldn't be at war on sunday or anytime soon.

Do you think Putin would have annexed part of Ukraine if it was in the EU?

RizzyKing

12-05-2018 01:01

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I think Putin annexed a part of the ukraine because he feared they would join the EU and cut off access to the black sea naval facilities. Both NATO and the EU are in the wrong on eastward expansion and in breach of the agreement we made with Russia in the early nineties to safeguard stability. That doesn't excuse Putin for what he did but we handed him the excuse because we didn't abide by the agreement we have pushed right upto Russia's border and gave Putin the perfect chance to cement his position if we hadn't i doubt Putin would be in power right now.

RichardCoulter

12-05-2018 01:27

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35946602)

When someone attacks a regulator, they usually have something to hide.

I tend to agree Andrew. It also comes across as very unprofessional, almost childlike.

ianch99

12-05-2018 12:26

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35946596)

Seems that there is more of it at the moment due to recent developments so, uncomfortable that it may be to some, it needs to be highlighted and discussed.

denphone

12-05-2018 12:36

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35946626)

Seems that there is more of it at the moment due to recent developments so, uncomfortable that it may be to some, it needs to be highlighted and discussed.

Some Racism has always been there for hundreds of years ianch99 but its just become more normalised since the Brexit vote IMO as what was not acceptable to say before Brexit has suddenly become more acceptable for some to say..

Bircho

12-05-2018 13:27

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35946570)

How can you be so positively attracted to Germany? The context here is BREXIT.

It is not a reason to stay in the EU because Germany has managed to climb out of its horrible past and do some good things for Europe (if indeed it has). It certainly has done nothing good for us; nothing.

It is a reason to leave the EU that we have failed to get the EU to reform; it is a reason to leave the EU because German hegemony is an entrenched German interest that is contrary to ours.

European altruism is misplaced in these circumstances.

What have the Romans sorry I mean Germans ever done for us?

Chris

12-05-2018 14:34

Re: Brexit discussion

They made goose-stepping popular for a short while.

RichardCoulter

12-05-2018 17:21

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35946626)

Seems that there is more of it at the moment due to recent developments so, uncomfortable that it may be to some, it needs to be highlighted and discussed.

But it has nothing to do with the process of Brexit, it's just you getting on your hobby horse again to virtue signal.

ianch99

13-05-2018 12:58

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35946641)

But it has nothing to do with the process of Brexit, it's just you getting on your hobby horse again to virtue signal.

but everything to do with the discussion of Brexit. You are just upset at your other thread. Don't worry, it will pass ...

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35946630)

They made goose-stepping popular for a short while.

I think that was done to us and not for us :)

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35946627)

but its just become more normalised since the Brexit vote IMO as what was not acceptable to say before Brexit has suddenly become more acceptable for some to say..

Den, that is the essence of the argument :clap:

1andrew1

13-05-2018 23:06

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I think everyone will be amused by this!

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The British government will host a summit encouraging six European countries to join the EU for the sake of their “security, stability and prosperity”, months before it is due to sign its own Brexit withdrawal deal with Brussels...
Asked about the summit and the UK’s position on the Western Balkans’ membership of the EU, a Foreign Office spokesperson told The Independent: “We remain of the view that the EU accession process is important to delivering security, stability and prosperity in the Western Balkans."...
Tom Brake, the Liberal Democrats’ Brexit spokesperson and a supporter of the Best for Britain campaign, said: “Someone at the Foreign Office must have a sense of humour in organising a conference to promote membership of the EU for the Western Balkan countries. Just as we seem set on leaving the EU, we start advising others to join. Government policy would not look out of place in the theatre of the absurd.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8347111.html

RizzyKing

13-05-2018 23:28

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I think representatives from a different nation for promoting membership of the EU would have veen better, you've got to wonder what desk jocky thought this was a good idea lol.

1andrew1

13-05-2018 23:34

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35946733)

I think representatives from a different nation for promoting membership of the EU would have veen better, you've got to wonder what desk jocky thought this was a good idea lol.

Apparently BoJo signed it off which he probably did for humour value, the UK would be the 28th EU country I'd choose for such an event! ;)

RizzyKing

13-05-2018 23:50

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Boris shouldn't be allowed near sharp or pointed objects for his and our safety and the feeling I've had about him these last few years is he doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself and his behaviour has cemented my view.

pip08456

14-05-2018 00:27

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Reminds me of Baldrick and his "I have a cunning plan"!

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