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1andrew1 18-08-2017 21:52
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35913142)
No, let's get it right, the EU and their ilk want to punish the UK for voting out, remember the old drunken prick, Jean Claude Juncker's words 'This is not an amicable divorce!'
I was talking from a British angle.

Chris 19-08-2017 16:01
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35913195)
It's almost like in the run up to the referendum, the remain campaign said that the EU would not make things easy for the UK if it left. That's all project fear of course....
Less project fear, more a reality check on the true attitudes of the bureaucratic zealots running the EU. We have committed heresy by asking to leave, of course they're going to persecute us. This, however, is another reason to leave, not a reason to kow-tow to them.

pip08456 19-08-2017 16:59
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35913293)
Less project fear, more a reality check on the true attitudes of the bureaucratic zealots running the EU. We have committed heresy by asking to leave, of course they're going to persecute us. This, however, is another reason to leave, not a reason to kow-tow to them.
Wh
at they also have to remember is the more intransigent they are the more a no deal exit will happen.

heero_yuy 19-08-2017 17:07
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35913298)
Wh
at they also have to remember is the more intransigent they are the more a no deal exit will happen.
And no dosh so they'll have to find another 10-12 billion pounds a year from the Germans.

Mr K 19-08-2017 20:23
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35913298)
What they also have to remember is the more intransigent they are the more a no deal exit will happen.
And if that happens then we'll be in a much worse off than the EU. 26 Vs 1, who's going to win ? The EU have very consistent and united in their negotiating position, we've been all over the place and divided.

pip08456 20-08-2017 07:47
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35913320)
And if that happens then we'll be in a much worse off than the EU. 26 Vs 1, who's going to win ? The EU have very consistent and united in their negotiating position, we've been all over the place and divided.
No contest!

We save/they lose quite a few billion£. It will also hamper their export market if no sensible deal is reached.

Reaching an amicable deal is in their own best interests.

heero_yuy 20-08-2017 10:18
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Households will be up to £40 a week better off once Britain has left the EU, top economists claimed.

The price of food and other products will tumble as we begin importing tariff-free goods from around the world.
National output will rise as we become an international trading nation – raising living standards, creating better-paid jobs and cutting unemployment.

Britain’s economy could enjoy a Brexit boost worth £135billion a year, according to a glowing assessment by a group of 16 leading economists.

They say there is mounting evidence that quitting Europe’s trade barriers will transform our prospects over the next decade.

We would also reap savings from cutting immigration, slashing EU red tape and halting contributions to Brussels.

Professor Patrick Minford, who helped draft the report, argued it is time to abandon the gloomy forecasts and embrace the new prosperity on the horizon.

He declared: “Project Fear failed yet many Remainers are trying to resurrect it.
Source

Mr K 20-08-2017 10:31
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35913380)
these aren't exactly neutral economists. They are the Economists for Free Trade (EFT), formerly known as Economists for Brexit.

Did the Sun not mention that? :rolleyes:

denphone 20-08-2017 10:45
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35913380)
We are leaving the EU that is for sure but if anybody thinks cheaper prices are coming they are living in cuckoo land IMO.

OLD BOY 20-08-2017 19:02
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35913381)
these aren't exactly neutral economists. They are the Economists for Free Trade (EFT), formerly known as Economists for Brexit.

Did the Sun not mention that? :rolleyes:
Are you aware of any neutral economists?

1andrew1 20-08-2017 19:25
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35913383)
We are leaving the EU that is for sure but if anybody thinks cheaper prices are coming they are living in cuckoo land IMO.
Mid-August is the traditional silly season for news and The Sun article continues this noble tradition. :D

ianch99 20-08-2017 19:26
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Brexiteers can't have it both ways. Either Economists who are respected in their field are able to comment authoritatively on likely future outcomes or they are not.

You can't argue that Economists who back Leave should be listened to and their wise words backing the decision to Leave accepted but, at the same time, rubbish any Economists who predict the opposite outcome.

On the subject of Economists who are respected in their field, Professor Minford has some critics:

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...brexit-claims/

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According to economics professors from the London School of Economics, Professor Minford’s earlier Brexit forecasts were “really far-fetched” and “crazy”. He “misunderstands the nature of regulations and product standards”, they added. Economist Monique Ebell from the National Institute of Social and Economic Research told the BBC that Professor Minford “ignores decades of evidence on how trade actually works”.
It is ironic that the BBC is under fire for publishing this article without also highlighting said Professor's past claims. For example:

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In the run up to the Brexit referendum Professor Minford sparked controversy when he said that the effect of leaving the EU would be to “eliminate manufacturing, leaving mainly industries such as design, marketing and hi-tech”
The BBC can't win ..

1andrew1 20-08-2017 19:49
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35913454)
Brexiteers can't have it both ways. Either Economists who are respected in their field are able to comment authoritatively on likely future outcomes or they are not.

You can't argue that Economists who back Leave should be listened to and their wise words backing the decision to Leave accepted but, at the same time, rubbish any Economists who predict the opposite outcome.
It's called the Brexit denying nature approach - having your cake and eating it. ;)

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35913454)
On the subject of Economists who are respected in their field, Professor Minford has some critics:

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...brexit-claims/

It is ironic that the BBC is under fire for publishing this article without also highlighting said Professor's past claims. For example:

The BBC can't win ..
The BBC acquired a reputation in the run-up to the referendum as being the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. It seems that it has not entirely shaken off this reputation. :(

TheDaddy 20-08-2017 20:32
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35913450)
Are you aware of any neutral economists?
It's pretty hard to get economists to agree on anything, afterwards though their all experts

1andrew1 20-08-2017 23:20
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35913460)
It's pretty hard to get economists to agree on anything, afterwards though their all experts
In lots of areas, they may broadly agree but it's best not to depend on just one forecast. You can get consensus forecasts which look at multiple economists' forecasts and you can strike off the extreme forecasts at either end of the spectrum.


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