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pip08456 14-03-2020 16:20
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36027283)
The good news about Coronavirus, and the imminent global recession, is that it should focus the minds of the UK side to realise that the future relationship is a marathon and not a sprint.

Racing to a sub-optimal agreement by end the of this year isn't in the UK or EU interest at the minute and the reasonable step of an extension will be triggered.
Or we could just go our own way.

Chris 14-03-2020 16:21
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36027285)
Or we could just go our own way.
/hums Fleetwood Mac :D

Sephiroth 14-03-2020 16:27
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
I agree with Pip.

The psychology of the UK side saying we'll walk away in June if there seems to be no prospect is a correct negotiating position. It might, only might, focus the arrogant EU's mind so that something reasonable might emerge - failing which our efforts must concentrate on going our own way.

1andrew1 14-03-2020 20:31
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36027289)
I agree with Pip.
- failing which our efforts must concentrate on going our own way.
I think we need to focus our efforts on the Coronavirus. As Chris says, the request for an extension will most likely happen in the Summer and not now.

Sephiroth 14-03-2020 20:45
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36027322)
I think we need to focus our efforts on the Coronavirus. As Chris says, the request for an extension will most likely happen in the Summer and not now.
Not in this thread, though.

1andrew1 14-03-2020 21:48
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36027324)
Not in this thread, though.
The two are intertwined
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-and-cost-more

pip08456 14-03-2020 22:17
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36027333)
It would be an interesting scenario if UK researchers came up with a vaccine for COVID-19, what would the EMA do then?

The EU is not the font of all knowledge as media such as the Guardian would like to suggest.

Mr K 14-03-2020 22:30
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36027341)
It would be an interesting scenario if UK researchers came up with a vaccine for COVID-19, what would the EMA do then?

The EU is not the font of all knowledge as media such as the Guardian would like to suggest.
This is case of working together. Doesn't matter who makes the breakrough, as long as we share info and don't duplicate research. Little Englanders and Brexit are pointless waste of time and effort atm.

pip08456 14-03-2020 22:52
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
I would not deny that but

Quote:
Coronavirus: UK scientists on brink of cure after developing test vaccine in DAYS
That was back in February, still a long way to go with it though but a start.

Link

Chris 14-03-2020 23:22
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36027343)
This is case of working together. Doesn't matter who makes the breakrough, as long as we share info and don't duplicate research. Little Englanders and Brexit are pointless waste of time and effort atm.
Another person who *still* doesn’t get it.

Brexit was about taking back control, not withholding cooperation. There are plenty of ways in which intergovernmental cooperation can occur, without the dead hand of Brussels bureaucracy adding layers of complexity. We manage it via the ESA, to pick one single example.

Vaccine research can occur quite happily with laboratories in different countries talking to each other and sharing the workload. The last thing we need in emergency situations like this is bureaucrats insisting on their cherished regulatory frameworks.

Sephiroth 15-03-2020 00:49
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36027333)
The referenced article concludes:

So while, in one respect, the timing of the pandemic could not have been worse for the UK, in another it could provide an opportunity to reflect on whether an isolationist ideology really is such a good idea. It has taken many years to build up the EU’s systems of defences against infectious disease. In an ever more uncertain and interconnected world, is it really a good idea to withdraw from them?

Where is the evidence that the EU as a whole has done anything about the virus? It's left to the individual countries so far as I can tell. There's no defence against a pandemic and the EMA might as well not exist for all the effect we have so far noted. That'll get you going.

Chris 15-03-2020 10:23
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
It’s just the whining remain lobby grasping at anything they think they can still use to keep the UK tightly aligned with the EU.

I’m all for intergovernmental cooperation. The problem with doing anything through the EU is that it is enormously difficult not to get sucked in to the wider bureaucracy, oversight of the political activists at the ECJ and pressure to ‘dynamically align’ our processes as those within the EU change.

1andrew1 15-03-2020 10:31
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36027361)
The referenced article concludes:

So while, in one respect, the timing of the pandemic could not have been worse for the UK, in another it could provide an opportunity to reflect on whether an isolationist ideology really is such a good idea. It has taken many years to build up the EU’s systems of defences against infectious disease. In an ever more uncertain and interconnected world, is it really a good idea to withdraw from them?

Where is the evidence that the EU as a whole has done anything about the virus? It's left to the individual countries so far as I can tell. There's no defence against a pandemic and the EMA might as well not exist for all the effect we have so far noted. That'll get you going.
Although it's not my responsibility to inform you about the implications of the UK self-excluding itself from co-operating with the EMA, this Observer article does that well, so here's the link. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_tw

nomadking 15-03-2020 11:44
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
If the EU approves something, we in the UK can rubber stamp acceptance of it in the UK. The other way around might not be so simple, ie the UK approves something, how long would it take the EU to accept it?


The EU whinged about the US travel ban because the US didn't ask permission from the EU to do it. Now certain EU countries are having their own travel bans in place.

Sephiroth 15-03-2020 12:10
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36027380)
Although it's not my responsibility to inform you about the implications of the UK self-excluding itself from co-operating with the EMA, this Observer article does that well, so here's the link. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_tw
Wrong link. But, of course, I note you pray in aid the Grauniad and Observer, top Project Fear rags.


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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36027392)
If the EU approves something, we in the UK can rubber stamp acceptance of it in the UK. The other way around might not be so simple, ie the UK approves something, how long would it take the EU to accept it?


The EU whinged about the US travel ban because the US didn't ask permission from the EU to do it. Now certain EU countries are having their own travel bans in place.
I think it's not a bad idea to go our own way and build our wealth according.


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