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You don't know that, I don't know that and the experts don't know that. That's the most dangerous part of all this, we don't have a clue how we will fair yet people are deluded enough to believe it.

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Where as opinions based on lies and bs are perfectly valid, the roaming charge thing might be pathetic but at least it might actually be based in fact. I said the night before the vote that based on those campaigns our democracy is in big trouble and then along came the general election to emphasise the point. The thing that makes me laugh is that all the people crowing about the results don't seem concerned to think about the future when the result doesn't go their way

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This applies to either side but I don't apologise for being very optimistic about how well we can do without the need for being in the EU.

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I'll give you this Mick you really are a supreme optimist ;) Do you really have that much faith in our politicians? I don't, maybe I'm a pessimist or a realist. Time will tell.

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I 100% agree with Mick. There is more to the EU than meets the eye. The sooner we leave the better. The close association of some of the EU top-dogs with Bilderberg, a globalist organisation, should raise alarm bells for starters; they are against national sovereignty, which is what the EU are doing by taking political decisions from the UK and giving them into the hands of non directly elected leaders.

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I mentioned yesterday that the Government would belatedly be publishing its negotiation position on key aspects of Brexit this week. The first has emerged and it's bad news for those who failed to grasp the severe economic downside of a so-called clean break.
https://www.ft.com/content/b58ca3b6-...e-15b2513cb3ff

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Even though Brexit is happening and people have to accept that l have no faith that politicians will deliver us anything at all as their track record for doing this is not good as all sadly.

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You need to be more careful when trying to caricature whole sections of society with one dimensional judgements. You well know younger people voted for all sorts of different reasons.

The Leavers, correctly, got very upset when they were painted as singularly uneducated or racist.

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I'm perfectly fine with the words that I used.
I was speaking about a specific section of the young; those who didn't vote. Did you miss the wink when referring to the roaming charges bit?


I'm a Leaver and you are welcome to call me anything that you like. And I assure you, that there is no way I will 'get very upset'


I knew that winning the referendum was just the first step; then the real battle would begin

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Now let me try to understand this correctly,

The Eu has signed more trade deals than any other trading bloc.

A lot of the negotiators are British and have done a cracking job for the UK.

Do you not think that those same guys will not do a cracking job for the UK when we leave?

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This is simply to allow more time to put in place appropriate customs controls. We will still have left the customs union because this prevents us from doing trade deals with the rest of the world.

To describe this as a 'severe economic downslide' is way off the mark. It is merely a device to smooth the transition. As long as we leave the customs union and common market in 2019, and we are no longer ruled by the European Courts, the transitional arrangements that are agreed change nothing in terms of our leaving the EU.

The vast majority of global growth in the next couple of decades will come from outside the EU, so where you get the idea that this bureaucratic monstrosity called the EU is worth belonging to I really cannot imagine. Fear of change, maybe?

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Maybe because they're still working for the EU :shrug:

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No because we will have left the EU and they will no longer be able to do a cracking job for us. The solution would be to convince them to leave the EU and work for the UK but this could be seen as a career step-down.

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As you have to be an EU citizen to work for its bureaucracy, I suspect it won't be necessary to convince them to return to the UK.

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Maybe he's one of them and that's why he can't see or admit to anything positive outside of the EU. :D