Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35912302)

'Let that sink in"? Don't be so pompous. No one really cares how you voted apart from you but you seem to think we all need to be told over and over again with some cool millennial hash tag (as if this it make it more worthy a statement)

Originally Posted by ianch99

What people care about is the future of this country and the wellbeing of their children who are being dragged out of a future they were more than happy with into one which holds, at best, a promise of uncertainly with all that comes with that, and at worse, a significantly poorer lifestyle.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Still, hey, it is not what the young think or want, it is the older generation that matters .. yes, the one that won't be around when this mess has played out.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35912308)

We won't be constricted by EU rules when it comes to trade with non-EU countries and tariff-free access to fast growing, protected markets of Asia, Africa and South America would be worthwhile.

As of right now, EU membership prevents us negotiating free trade deals and the EU has negotiated, so few deals for us, for example, none at all with the likes of China, India, Australia, Brazil. (And these are screaming to trade with us once we leave the EU).

As for the Single Market, every country has access to the Single Market, with or without tariffs.

If we left the EU with no trade deal, our exports would face EU tariffs averaging just 2.4%.

The other beauty is, we can retain free trade with the EU without paying our current entry fee which costs more than the tariffs we avoid. To put it another way, our net contribution to the EU budget is equivalent to a 7% tariff. Paying 7% to avoid 2.4% costs, is a total con!

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35912315)

The EU is the most successful negotiator of trade deals in the world so quite how we can do better on our own I'm not sure.
But the main issue for the UK is that we sell services (80% of our exports) and these tend to fall outside free trade deals. That's why UK banks are busy moving staff to the EU.
Where do you get your tariff calculations from Mick? The EU costs include regulation costs that need to be covered whether done locally in the UK or centrally as part of the EU.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35912324)

Took the words out of my mouth re trade deals and service sector and doesn't really answer my question about what we will sell them that we don't now. Besides which it's not like US haven't got a proven track of bullying smaller partners in trade deals, they must be rubbing their hands together at the prospect.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35912319)

For the last 40 years, we have already been in a bloody mess, we will be getting out of one for sure.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35912330)

It's a shame that you can't acknowledge how great Great Britain is and want to risk this. Record living standards, great culture, fantastic 2012 Olympics.
The country's not perfect and I'll be the first to admit this. But it's scarcely a mess. Just look at cities like Liverpool and Manchester and how they've improved since the 1980s. Why risk dragging us back to those dark days?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35912331)

None of these are down to the EU, Andrew.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35912327)

Really? Is that why it took seven years to negotiate a trade deal with Canada and after a full ten years, the US trade deal still hasn't been signed?

Do you guys not understand the dreadful organisation that is the EU and the fact that 90% of future growth over the next two decades will be outside of the EU?

The EU is a lot smaller than the whole world, and the rest of the world is eager to embrace new trade deals, unlike the stagnant and slowly dying EU monolith.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35912331)

None of these are down to the EU, Andrew.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35912335)

Firstly, I've never claimed they are down to the EU. I've just said that the country is great despite Mick taking a swipe at it.
All that being said, I've read quite a lot to suggest that living standards have improved since we joined the EU.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35912338)

Nice distortion of what I said there.

I have never took a swipe at any of the achievements of this country, but we certainly have made many of them without the need of the EU. Please don't twist my posts Andrew.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35912302)

being dragged out of a future they were more than happy with into one which holds, at best, a promise of uncertainly with all that comes with that, and at worse, a significantly poorer lifestyle.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35912373)

So, by that premise, shouldn't remain have Won?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35912319)

Don't be so obnoxious...

I won't be told by anybody, that brexiteers are becoming desperate, because this one isn't, because I do not believe we will at all be in a mess, and yes, I repeat the hashtags because i'm sick of the daily whinging from some of the hard-line remainers, i.e those who cannot see, or choose not to, past their own noses and full of complete doom and gloom.

I am fully optimistic, unlike yourself, that we do not need to be with a corrupt entity, like the failing EU, which actually handicaps us when it comes to trade with the rest of the world!



It will not be a significantly poorer lifestyle at all, more doom and gloom BS. :rolleyes:

If they were so happy as you say, why did these 'young' adults not vote for the Liberal Democrats in the election just gone?

Why the hell did they not vote for a party which was promising another vote on the EU membership ?

But hang on, let's keep having a referendum until you get the result you want. :rolleyes:

Why did over 80% of the electorate and yes, many of the young, opt for parties that were committed to Brexit in the general election just gone ?

And how dare you, I and I am sure, 17.4 million other people, care for the future of this country, a great deal, we have been shafted for the last 40+ years, by corrupt politicians in Brussels, but hey, not for much longer.



Still, hey, rubbish.

For the last 40+ years, we have already been in a bloody mess, we will be getting out of one for sure.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35912404)

No. The younger voters were not as motivated to vote as the older ones were. They contributed to their own downfall so to speak.

It is clear that the vast majority of younger voters did not want to leave the EU but they did not, for some perverse reason, express those wishes at the ballot box.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35912404)

No. The younger voters were not as motivated to vote as the older ones were. They contributed to their own downfall so to speak.

It is clear that the vast majority of younger voters did not want to leave the EU but they did not, for some perverse reason, express those wishes at the ballot box.

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If you keep telling us on a daily basis how you voted (with or without #hashtags) then we have a duty to remind you that you are mistaken.

Your debating style, lacing your replies with hyperbole:



only serves to distract from the points you are trying to make.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35912404)

No. The younger voters were not as motivated to vote as the older ones were. They contributed to their own downfall so to speak.

It is clear that the vast majority of younger voters did not want to leave the EU but they did not, for some perverse reason, express those wishes at the ballot box.
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