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Damien 13-03-2017 14:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35889787)
I'd be tempted to call her bluff. Sturgeon's SNP are a one trick pony and right now the independence argument has never looked weaker (e.g. price of oil, losing Sterling, no EU membership) from where I'm sitting. Of course if, north of the border, they vote for independence good luck to them. At least we'll at last be able to concentrate on the affairs of those who wish to be part of the union not those who don't and whose idea of 'independence' is ceding ever more power to the EU.
I think May should call her bluff. Rejecting the referendum is probably what Sturgeon wants as I imagine she would rather the case for independence be better than it is now before calling for the vote. She would rather wait and have Westminster vetoing the referendum as a tool to stir up further resentment of the UK Government.

That said it's still going to be close IMO. Polls have it at 50/50 roughly, the Nationalists will likely be far more motivated and united than the Unionists and the prospect of a Conservative Government until 2025/2030 will be a useful campaigning tool. The UK government will be focused on Brexit, Labour are nowhere and nor are the liberals. Unionism is weak at the moment.

If May consents and I had to put money on it, I would say they're going Independent. But if she doesn't I think the chances only increase, just at a later date.

If the EU really wanted to play hardball allowing Scotland to maintain the UK's EU membership would be a killer. They've said they won't and Spain are likely to object but imagine if they did.

Stephen 13-03-2017 14:16
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I wish the SNP would get to. No need.

Kursk 13-03-2017 14:26
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35889790)
If May consents and I had to put money on it, I would say they're going Independent.
Your money was also on Remain and Clinton. As Darth Vader once said: Sith happens ;)

TheDaddy 13-03-2017 14:33
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35889790)
I think May should call her bluff. Rejecting the referendum is probably what Sturgeon wants as I imagine she would rather the case for independence be better than it is now before calling for the vote. She would rather wait and have Westminster vetoing the referendum as a tool to stir up further resentment of the UK Government.

That said it's still going to be close IMO. Polls have it at 50/50 roughly, the Nationalists will likely be far more motivated and united than the Unionists and the prospect of a Conservative Government until 2025/2030 will be a useful campaigning tool. The UK government will be focused on Brexit, Labour are nowhere and nor are the liberals. Unionism is weak at the moment.

If May consents and I had to put money on it, I would say they're going Independent. But if she doesn't I think the chances only increase, just at a later date.

If the EU really wanted to play hardball allowing Scotland to maintain the UK's EU membership would be a killer. They've said they won't and Spain are likely to object but imagine if they did.
Darn right she'd rather wait, it'd be the end of her and possibly the party to lose two referenda so quickly

Mick 13-03-2017 14:46
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Scotland would have to reapply to join NATO if it left U.K.

We would need a border wall (And Scotland can pay for it). :rofl:

RizzyKing 13-03-2017 14:55
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Shocker she's waited for the first oppurtunity and if they get another referendum and lose we will be going through it again in another few years the snp are just going to keep doing this and the last thing the UK needs right now is this rubbish. Scotland isn't worth the continual disruption this issue generates and until the snp get what they want it's disruption they will start at the drop of a hat.

techguyone 13-03-2017 15:03
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Sorry for all the Scots that are not SNP drones but I'm so sick of all the ***** that either way I think it'll be win win for the rUK

SilverLady 13-03-2017 15:29
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Nicola Sturgeon is so wrong in this. Like my friends and family, I voted to leave in the Scottish Referendum, but accept the result to stay in the UK. I've been happy with the way the SNP are running Scotland, but wish that they would stick to running the country and forget this breakaway from the UK carry on.

As for Brexit, I'm so tired of hearing that 'the majority of Scots voted to remain'. The majority of the Scottish electorate did not. The actual figures of the total Scottish electorate were Remain 42%, Leave 25%, did not vote ie couldn't care whether we remained or left 33%.

The general feeling amongst people I've spoken to is that they are disgusted at the childish behaviour of the SNP at Westminster. I've heard nothing of our local SNP member since he went there; don't think he has actually taken part in any debate.

From the feeling in this area, it seems unlikely that there is any chance of a yes vote in the next Scottish Referendum

Mick 13-03-2017 15:32
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Sky News sources are saying the wee lass, Nicola, being pushed in to calling for another Indy Ref by Turkey neck, Alex Salmond and others.

denphone 13-03-2017 15:51
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She will reap the whirlwind as they say...

Osem 13-03-2017 15:58
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I hope, before any second referendum, the Scots reassess the economic predictions the SNP dreamt up last time.

papa smurf 13-03-2017 16:12
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35889811)
She will reap the whirlwind as they say...
she doesn't give a damn about the Scottish people or Scotland ,she wants Independence at any cost :td:

nomadking 13-03-2017 16:15
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverLady (Post 35889806)
Nicola Sturgeon is so wrong in this. Like my friends and family, I voted to leave in the Scottish Referendum, but accept the result to stay in the UK. I've been happy with the way the SNP are running Scotland, but wish that they would stick to running the country and forget this breakaway from the UK carry on.

As for Brexit, I'm so tired of hearing that 'the majority of Scots voted to remain'. The majority of the Scottish electorate did not. The actual figures of the total Scottish electorate were Remain 42%, Leave 25%, did not vote ie couldn't care whether we remained or left 33%.

The general feeling amongst people I've spoken to is that they are disgusted at the childish behaviour of the SNP at Westminster. I've heard nothing of our local SNP member since he went there; don't think he has actually taken part in any debate.

From the feeling in this area, it seems unlikely that there is any chance of a yes vote in the next Scottish Referendum
How much of what you think is successful about the SNP, is simply because of the favourable Barnett formula? Easy to look good when you have money to spend.

techguyone 13-03-2017 16:20
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Heh the Barnett formula, so crap even Lord Barnett wished he hadn't implemented it. Some people don't know when they're well off.

Maggy 13-03-2017 16:22
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Well she has to go cap in hand to Westminster..good luck with that.


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