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denphone 09-11-2016 17:02

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35868789)
Am I a pedant in wanting future campaigns free of factual inaccuracies designed to nudge a few per cent over the line? Possibly but I can but hope.

You will be waiting a long time Andrew as politicians from all sides are absolute experts at obfuscating and distorting the full truthful facts.

RichardCoulter 09-11-2016 17:14

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35868789)
Am I a pedant in wanting future campaigns free of factual inaccuracies designed to nudge a few per cent over the line? Possibly but I can but hope.

Seconded.

nomadking 09-11-2016 17:20

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The £350m wasn't plucked out of thin air. It has a basis in TRUTH. That is the figure the EU expects us to pay.

1andrew1 09-11-2016 17:39

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35868799)
The £350m wasn't plucked out of thin air. It has a basis in TRUTH. That is the figure the EU expects us to pay.

The slogan was a statement of fact about what the UK sends the EU each week. The EU expects and receives a lot less. Do you honestly think that someone at the EU is sat there emailing the UK going, "thanks for your cheque, now please make it up to £350m as that's what we expect?" That sounds ridiculous and I'm sure the EU would never get away with such an approach.

RizzyKing 09-11-2016 17:45

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Being called uneducated (which has been used by a few) or not college educated because of how you vote is insulting and also diminishes a vote that was made by someone and if i go by the circle of friends i have that voted it's completely inaccurate. Excuses can be and are made at election time and usually from the side that lost and are so blind to the faults in their belief they denigrate the vote others made.

Damien 09-11-2016 17:53

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35868805)
Being called uneducated (which has been used by a few) or not college educated because of how you vote is insulting and also diminishes a vote that was made by someone and if i go by the circle of friends i have that voted it's completely inaccurate. Excuses can be and are made at election time and usually from the side that lost and are so blind to the faults in their belief they denigrate the vote others made.

It's not insulting it's a demographic breakdown. It's not an excuse either.

Also you're not called 'not college educated' if you voted Brexit/Trump/whatever rather the numbers suggest that those groups make up a higher proportion of those who voted for those things. They are obviously people who vote that do not match that.

How are we meant to talk about these things if it's insulting to ever mention there are divides in the country?

People have different lives and experiences depending on their background, income, race, gender and religion.

Hom3r 09-11-2016 20:30

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As some one who has had only 4 fights in their life (all at school over 30 years ago)

#isitok I want to punch the idiots how keep going on & on & on about the dam bus and their belief that the bus promised £350m to the NHS when it clearly didn't

Hom3r 09-11-2016 20:38

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Nicola "Jimmy Cranky" Sturgeon should practice what she preaches ;)

1andrew1 09-11-2016 20:43

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35868841)
As some one who has had only 4 fights in their life (all at school over 30 years ago)

#isitok I want to punch the idiots how keep going on & on & on about the dam bus and their belief that the bus promised £350m to the NHS when it clearly didn't

That's interesting but the debate I am on about is about people continually repeating factual inaccuracies when they have been warned by official bodies that they are incorrect. Saying that the UK sends £350m to Brussels every week is an example of such a statement.
I'm on about the ethics and looking forward, I hope the country improves in this area and learns from this situation.

pip08456 09-11-2016 21:10

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As regards factual inaccuracies no-one has said we send £350m per week to Brussels. All that has been said is that our total bill to Brussels equates to £350m per week.

1andrew1 09-11-2016 21:47

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35868856)
As regards factual inaccuracies no-one has said we send £350m per week to Brussels. All that has been said is that our total bill to Brussels equates to £350m per week.

Vote Leave has stated "We send £350m every week to the EU." No one else is disputing that point. Here's a tweet that evidences the claim: are.https://twitter.com/vote_leave/statu...26741712658432

RizzyKing 09-11-2016 22:43

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Whatever the claim was the main point is was it effective in swinging votes no one I've spoken too even knew about it and i certainly missed it wasn't till it was brought up on here that i heard about it so doubtful it made much impact in voting intention. Would i prefer to live in a world of only truth being told absolutely but then I'd like to live in a world where bacon sarnies are mandatory for breakfast and both are as likely as the other. Unless the political system actually realises whats happening they will continue as is lying, misrepresenting and exaggerating things. Do i like it no i don't does it put me off voting yes it does but stopping it is beyond my ability.

Hom3r 09-11-2016 23:17

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#isitok to bate the stupid yanks.

You know how Trump was demanding Obama prove he was born in the USA, and still didn't believe it when it was done.

Well some on on Facebook said imagine Trump was born in Russia.

Well on idiot said
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"He is a true American.
A beautiful American.
There are none who are more American.
In fact, he built the country with his own hands."
Well he's wrong & I replied

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No he's actually a immigrant like 99.9% of Americans, the only TRUE Americans are the Native American that have been murdered and had their land stolen
Percentage may not be accurate

thenry 09-11-2016 23:55

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That text going around also said he's adopted. Some going as far as saying he was born into a Muslim family.

papa smurf 10-11-2016 08:15

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35868856)
As regards factual inaccuracies no-one has said we send £350m per week to Brussels. All that has been said is that our total bill to Brussels equates to £350m per week.




try posting in Klingon -the message might get through there's no point in trying to Klingon we are leaving .;)

its sad that all they have left as an argument is a bus with a slogan on it ding ding all aboard next stop- Brexit...


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