Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094162)

Not at all.

You have offered, firstly, a straw man. I don’t defend Brexit at any cost. I simply point out that I don’t believe “at any cost” (I.e. the most extreme worst case) will arise, and that so far I’m correct.

Second, you have offered an appeal to authority. Relevant experience earns a hearing, it does not earn automatic, uncritical acceptance. As you have offered no rationale for accepting this person’s view other than their job title I can only conclude this is what you’re doing.

A critical appraisal of any opinion must include some attempt to understand the context in which they’re speaking and their motivations for doing so. Such as, in this case, the likelihood that they have permanently lost their means of undercutting British drivers wages by hiring east European ones.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36094166)

Primary source being someone who's 'members' want the reintroduction of cheap labour, and the continuance of shite conditions ;)

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094167)

What would you suggest we do instead of a capitalist society ?

To add, European countries don’t have the same level of shortages as we do, and they operate in a similar if not the same way regarding pay and conditions (albeit truck stops on the French autoroutes are far far superior to ours for example)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094169)

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094165)

When issues have been highlighted due to Brexit you have time and time again dismissed them, even when primary sources of evidence have been presented to counter. Now, if I’m offering a straw man argument all you’re offering is blind devotion.

You’ve made no clinical appraisal whatsoever on the subject, if you have evidence that counters what’s been said, then please, let’s see it.

To ignore a primary source and counter without fact but instead use conjecture and speculation is breathtakingly arrogant.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094171)

If I was writing an academic essay, and you were marking it, your words here might carry some weight. But as I’m not, and you’re not, and the reasons why hauliers might be upset about having to hire British workers have actually been covered - with relevant evidence - multiple times in this thread …. Please get a grip.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094172)

No need to get grip, evidence has been presented which you have either been unwilling or unable to provide anything to counter apart from your own personal musings

In this instance. You have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found out wanting. (c) A Knights Tale

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094139)

Isn't AUSAUK primarily about defence and not trade?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094173)

Actually, (c) the Bible - specifically Daniel 5:25, where the quote is first given in the original Aramaic (“Mene, mene, tekel, parsin”) then interpreted by Daniel for the benefit of Belshazzar, a Babylonian king who was understandably perturbed when a disembodied hand appeared, and wrote them on his dining room wall:



Primary sources and all that.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094175)

I’m aware of the origin

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36094176)

Well if you consider that the "primary" objective of Brexit was to leave the EU, then I would say it has been 100% successful?

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36094176)

Well if you consider that the "primary" objective of Brexit was to leave the EU, then I would say it has been 100% successful?

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:rofl: doubtful.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094178)

You would indeed be absolutely right. However, where are the sunlit uplands that we were promised?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094167)

What would you suggest we do instead of a capitalist society ?

To add, European countries don’t have the same level of shortages as we do, and they operate in a similar if not the same way regarding pay and conditions (albeit truck stops on the French autoroutes are far far superior to ours for example)